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Turkish M1911A1's for the Civilian Marksmanship Program
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Very good for you but I like the place for the good rifles I got and the volunteers that are a wealth of knowledge. I don't mind supporting good organizations. Sorry to hear you don't care. I've liked you contributions here till now
halfmoonclip
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Captain Mac has it figured out; a viable GI 1911 at a reasonable price. Too, there have been articles about the expected lifespan of a 1911. In military service, they didn't get shot all that much. Competitive shooting is another matter, and there's potential for damaging the genuine article.
A buddy at the Club got one for the Military class at Camp Perry, and was pleased with the results.
Moon
A buddy at the Club got one for the Military class at Camp Perry, and was pleased with the results.
Moon
I will have to look at the CMP Tisas 1911 and if the features are there, I will consider getting one. Not that I am lacking in Tisas 1911's. I have purchased the bare bones versions, fixed sights, installed hammers with spurs on the service special version. I am not interesting in shooting a vintage 1911 with a frame made from 1035 steel, and a slide from 1050. The slide was heat treated for two inches back of the nose. Cheap, disposable rail road spikes are made from steel similar to the frame, and lawn mower blades are made from 1055 steel, because it is tough and cheap. I don't know if the slide and frame were case hardened in any way. The materials used in military 1911's just met requirements. Shooters on 1911forums report GI slides cracking between 10,000 and 20,000 rounds. Modern materials will hold up to boo boo's that will bulge or break the plain carbon steels of the 1940's pistols.
I like the big, bold sights on the Service Special
Everything shoots good close up
Unique does well in these 1911's
Purchased the version with GI sights and a chromed barrel. GI sights are tiny. I don't like GI sights.
At all distances the pistol shoots within my hold, so I what I can do with irons, is not representative of the capability of the pistol. There are times I get clusters, but I manage to flinch some out. Target is 12" X 20".
I am convinced the Charles Daly, Italian "made" by Brixia are in fact, Tisas made 1911's.
Arched backstrap, different grips, and missing port flare, that is about all there is different between the Charles Daly and the Tisas.
Same front sights
same rear sights
same distinctive frame cut where the end of the recoil spring guide sits.
Can you pick out the Charles Daly from the two Tisas frames?
Everything is forged on the Tisas's made during and after 2023. The slide and frame are a European equivalent to 4140, Tisas claims they machine the slide and frame after heat treatment.
The old WW2 era barrels had to go from single stage machine to single stage machine. Tisas uses modern CNC machines, and I am amazed how fast they make the barrels. Keeping the barrel in one spot keeps tolerances tight. Having to put a barrel in a new fixture for each cut, is not as precise.
The Turks were making quality cannon, swords, and firearms when the inhabitants of this country were running around in animal skins, building mounds out of shells, and lacked a written language.
I like the big, bold sights on the Service Special
Everything shoots good close up
Unique does well in these 1911's
Purchased the version with GI sights and a chromed barrel. GI sights are tiny. I don't like GI sights.
At all distances the pistol shoots within my hold, so I what I can do with irons, is not representative of the capability of the pistol. There are times I get clusters, but I manage to flinch some out. Target is 12" X 20".
I am convinced the Charles Daly, Italian "made" by Brixia are in fact, Tisas made 1911's.
Arched backstrap, different grips, and missing port flare, that is about all there is different between the Charles Daly and the Tisas.
Same front sights
same rear sights
same distinctive frame cut where the end of the recoil spring guide sits.
Can you pick out the Charles Daly from the two Tisas frames?
Everything is forged on the Tisas's made during and after 2023. The slide and frame are a European equivalent to 4140, Tisas claims they machine the slide and frame after heat treatment.
The old WW2 era barrels had to go from single stage machine to single stage machine. Tisas uses modern CNC machines, and I am amazed how fast they make the barrels. Keeping the barrel in one spot keeps tolerances tight. Having to put a barrel in a new fixture for each cut, is not as precise.
The Turks were making quality cannon, swords, and firearms when the inhabitants of this country were running around in animal skins, building mounds out of shells, and lacked a written language.
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Miami_JBT
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Bro, I didn't say I don't like the CMP. All I said is the pistol doesn't interest me. I have Garands, M1903s, and M1 Carbines because of the CMP. I personally travel to CMP South in Alabama.
All I said was that a commercially made Tisas slapped with the CMP logo doesn't tickle my fancy.
I would much rather like the CMP getting more ammo out to the shooting public than a CMP branded 1911.
One day we'll be looking back and talking about "those cheap Turkish 1911s and Hi-Powers that were so good." These are good times. We loved the Greek Ammo. Love the 1911s from Turkey even if they are "museum quality" and have a CMP roll mark. I can see how some see them as "fake" or "cheesy" but no one is trying to fool anyone and no one is being fooled. As has been already said and it's worth repeating - I rather shoot the crap out of these pistols than my vintage 1911. They are the same gun. Really.
Mark_Mark
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I will have to look at the CMP Tisas 1911 and if the features are there, I will consider getting one. Not that I am lacking in Tisas 1911's. I have purchased the bare bones versions, fixed sights, installed hammers with spurs on the service special version. I am not interesting in shooting a vintage 1911 with a frame made from 1035 steel, and a slide from 1050. The slide was heat treated for two inches back of the nose. Cheap, disposable rail road spikes are made from steel similar to the frame, and lawn mower blades are made from 1055 steel, because it is tough and cheap. I don't know if the slide and frame were case hardened in any way. The materials used in military 1911's just met requirements. Shooters on 1911forums report GI slides cracking between 10,000 and 20,000 rounds. Modern materials will hold up to boo boo's that will bulge or break the plain carbon steels of the 1940's pistols.
I like the big, bold sights on the Service Special
Everything shoots good close up
Unique does well in these 1911's
Purchased the version with GI sights and a chromed barrel. GI sights are tiny. I don't like GI sights.
At all distances the pistol shoots within my hold, so I what I can do with irons, is not representative of the capability of the pistol. There are times I get clusters, but I manage to flinch some out. Target is 12" X 20".
I am convinced the Charles Daly, Italian "made" by Brixia are in fact, Tisas made 1911's.
Arched backstrap, different grips, and missing port flare, that is about all there is different between the Charles Daly and the Tisas.
Same front sights
same rear sights
same distinctive frame cut where the end of the recoil spring guide sits.
Can you pick out the Charles Daly from the two Tisas frames?
Everything is forged on the Tisas's made during and after 2023. The slide and frame are a European equivalent to 4140, Tisas claims they machine the slide and frame after heat treatment.
The old WW2 era barrels had to go from single stage machine to single stage machine. Tisas uses modern CNC machines, and I am amazed how fast they make the barrels. Keeping the barrel in one spot keeps tolerances tight. Having to put a barrel in a new fixture for each cut, is not as precise.
The Turks were making quality cannon, swords, and firearms when the inhabitants of this country were running around in animal skins, building mounds out of shells, and lacked a written language.
those guns shoot so dang good!!!
CapnMac
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Ditto. But, it's rock-and-hard place for CMP. on ammo. They need suppliers of match-grade FMJ, and in bulk quantities. And at prices that will allow resale. Which is complicated by the stout costs imposed by shipping heavy/bulky items and the ORM-D regulations. It's not an enviable situation for CMP.
And, perhaps the sales of the CMP TISAS 45s will help them have funds to sell more ammo.
wesmonster
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Tisas are nice guns and glad to see money going back to CMP. I think RIAs are better guns for just a few more dollars but you're not getting those markings. I've seen the entry level Tisas 1911 (the one with plastic grips) for under $400 new so that's not bad for the CMP version.
Howland937
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Yuck. Do you shop for pants with holes already in them too? They call it "honest wear" for a reason. You're talking about dishonest wear. Shame.
The CMP has to find new revenue streams in order to remain viable. The partnership thing doesn't mean much to me and where the gun is made means less. Ruger, S&W or even Colt building it wouldn't make it any more authentic.
Mark_Mark
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I don’t care either, no way you can make a T-Sauce in America for $300 and make a profit.Yuck. Do you shop for pants with holes already in them too? They call it "honest wear" for a reason. You're talking about dishonest wear. Shame.
The CMP has to find new revenue streams in order to remain viable. The partnership thing doesn't mean much to me and where the gun is made means less. Ruger, S&W or even Colt building it wouldn't make it any more authentic.
as for dishonest wear… well, I don’t want to wait 100 years! I’m going to do it! steel wool here I come.
My Girsan 1911 has that stamped on the side, but not the Tisas 1911A1 "US Army" or PX-9. Both just say Knoxville, TN on them.
PSA AAC?
Miami_JBT
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Look underneath the dust cover. Federal law states the gun must have the country of origin conspicuously marked.
That wouldn't be too conspicuous.
johnmcl
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All things said here, I'm giving a standing ovation that there's another sub $500 1911 in the world.
Miami_JBT
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Customs regulations require anything made out the US marked with country of origin.
Mosin77
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Not to get political but we’ve called the place “Turkey” for hundreds of years. I like my German guns to say “Germany,” not “Deutschland,” “Allemagne,” etc. and resent the Turkish government’s recent attempts to police the whole world’s names for their country. Seeing that on the side of my gun, especially on a gun that ostensibly represents in some way the US Government efforts to further the shooting sports, rubs me the wrong way. Absolutely nothing against the manufacturing country or the pistol itself, I simply think if it has such a descriptor engraved on the frame, I’m not interested. Nothing less and nothing more
Ohen Cepel
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Tisas makes good stuff. However, I wish they could have found a US company so you would not have had to put the country of origin stamp on it. Would look more correct and I just like less writing on my firearms.
Okay don't buy it.Not to get political but we’ve called the place “Turkey” for hundreds of years. I like my German guns to say “Germany,” not “Deutschland,” “Allemagne,” etc. and resent the Turkish government’s recent attempts to police the whole world’s names for their country. Seeing that on the side of my gun, especially on a gun that ostensibly represents in some way the US Government efforts to further the shooting sports, rubs me the wrong way. Absolutely nothing against the manufacturing country or the pistol itself, I simply think if it has such a descriptor engraved on the frame, I’m not interested. Nothing less and nothing more
Condorcet
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Been wondering what to call the model of firearm I'm gonna propose to Tisas or CZ to make. Thanks for the suggestion!
I rechecked my Tisas 1911A1 "US Army" model. I took it apart and looked inside and out. I looked all around under and over the dust cover. Nowhere does my 1911A1 Tisas say "Made in Turkey." There are no markings other than what you can see conspicuously stamped on the exterior. Only place I haven't looked is under the grips.
trackskippy
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I dont know about these CMP versions, but my "Army" model, as well as my "Tank Commander" are both marked on the underside of the dust cover. The "Service" model I have is marked on the side of the frame.
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