Ammoman now only selling Lake City M855 .223 green tip ammo to Law Enforcement Only?

You think Ammoman is expensive? Try this place...

$2 per round....

http://www.firequest.com/catalog/223Armor_MoreInfo.html


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Now that IS funny...I love the bit about "defeating re-enforced targets".

Oh Yeah

Their catalog is freaking riot. A bunch of cheap Chinese mall ninja crap, and seriously inflated prices (with outrageous claims).

CCI and Winchester both make M855 specifically for the LE market. Somebody uses a lot of it.

I still don't understand why they hate ammoman so much. It's an inexpensive, reliable source for ammunition. The things on there about him being a scammer and crook are pure BS. They act like he should be sending them top-notch .00001 MOA shooting ammunition packaged in handcarved wooden boxes lined with satin for "what they pay". It also seems to be based on one or two bad incidents. All I can say is that I and my shooting friends have ordered from him many a time with not a single problem.

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Ammomman's pricng isn't that great if you live East of the MS river.
As far as scammer and crook- Leyt me use this scenario:
You order a case of this M855. You get a case of Wolf. Eric says tough luck, no refunds. You just paid $400 for a case of Wolf, advertised as M855. Tell me again how he's not a scam?

You order a case of this M855. You get a case of Wolf. Eric says tough luck, no refunds. You just paid $400 for a case of Wolf, advertised as M855. Tell me again how he's not a scam?

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Do you have a link for that?

I've spent a lot of money with Ammoman over the years. If you watch his site regularly sometimes he offers good deals. Usually he is slightly more than other places, but he often has ammo when others run out.

I have always received exactly what I paid for, shipped fast.

I think he was using the Wolf as an example. The real deal is a guy paid almost 500.00 for a bring home N Vietnamese SKS. He received A 99.00 Century Arms SKS.

I'll play devil's advocate.

Somebody paid almost $500 for a NVA bring-back SKS.

Was it legal to bring back NVA SKS rifles? Or was it something that wasn't even supposed to be available?

Because if it wasn't even supposed to be available, then the guy who paid $500 was trying to break the law in the first place. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with such a law, but if it is the law and you're trying to get around it and get burned, well, hope you learned your lesson.

Now then, if bring-back NVA SKS rifles were legal to have but darned hard to find, then that's a whole nuther ball game.

I have no problem with Ammoman. Eric personally arranged an exchange when I received DOD surplus frangible 5.56 after I forgot to ask to be sure I was sent the civilian lead-free-primer version. 3K rounds exchanged within a week, no problems.

Yes, it was OK to bring back NVA SKS rfiles. Just ask John Kerry about his.

Seriously, there were more than a few brought back and you see them on the market once in a while.

I'm still waiting to hear where we can get ammo for a half to a third of what Ammoman charges.

My wife used to manage a Deli in a rather snooty part of Oklahoma City. She had a bunch of caviar she needed to move. Packed her display coolers with it and it just sat there. Decided since that didn't work she'd try another tack. Emptied the cooler, put no more than 10 or 12 jars of the stuff in there, doubled the price and VOILA! She couldn't keep the stuff in stock it moved so fast.

I imagine Ammoman might be doing the same thing.

Just good business and marketing skills.

I'm still waiting to hear where we can get ammo for a half to a third of what Ammoman charges.

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Devil's Advocate here, but if I had a source for .223 at a third or even half of Ammoman's prices, I don't think I'd be advertising it and have it all sell out.

I've been using Eric for at least 10 years now and he has always been upright. I have never bought a firearm from him, but he has never screwed me or my friends on both sides of the US in any of our ammo purchases. Eric has always shipped my ammo order the next day and followed up with an email as well. I live in CA, so the free shipping just seals the deal and is worth the extra couple of bucks IMO. When I have travelled to other states to take shooting classes, I order from www.ammoman.com and the ammo has ALWAYS been waiting for me at my hotel when I arrive.
I have never seen his level of service matched by Natchez or Cheaper than Dirt, etc...

No problems here.
I understand shipping isnt free just incorporated into the price. But, I do like the direct "What you see is what you pay" approach. He is also quick to mark items out of stock. Thats another plus in my book.

I have not dealt with Ammoman so I cannot say one way or the other, but
it seems that it is a like him or hate him type thing.

I just bought 2000 rounds of Golden Tiger 7.62x39 for $179.00(per 1000) IIRC from Ammoman. To compare that, J&G has the EXACT same stuff for $199.00 + shipping or sales tax if you live in AZ or both if you live in AZ but don't live close enough to pick it up. So as for his prices, they are good(for what I got) and shipping was FAST. I WILL do business with him again.

Aimsurplus has the EXACT same stuff for $159.

Regardless, when there is that bad a rep, buyer beware.

Does the Aim Surplus price that you posted take into account shipping charges?

Here is what I don't get.

If a person has reason to believe ammoman was not dishonest in his dealings with some guns (I don't know anything about what he was accused of, just that the accusations are pretty specific and involved a number of people) then I can see why you would continue to buy from him.

But if you believe he was, or don't really know but believe the accusations must have merit due to specific nature and multiple people involved (which describes myself), why would people continue to do business with him? Its funny, this board is all about being high road and all. Well in my book, it does not matter if dealer X has not ripped you off personally. If he has ripped anybody off at all, and won't correct the matter, it's not high road to continue to support dealer X. I am not a dealer but I do some selling. I make dang sure that what I sell is what I say I am selling, and if something I sell does not measure up, which is bound to happen to people, I make dang sure the buyer is satisfied with the outcome.

I chalk this up to declining american culture. Some people think they can save a few bucks using him, which to them makes looking the other way on some ripoffs seek ok.

Then these same folks will get all riled up on police corruption or what ever. :banghead:.

If he has ripped anybody off at all, and won't correct the matter, it's not high road to continue to support dealer X.

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I will stop business with a dishonest seller (there's already a gun store in my area I make sure everyone I know avoids because of their actions). I will not, however, do so without reading detailed explanations from both sides. There are just as many dishonest customers who get angry and make a scene because they didn't read correctly or neglected to ask questions before purchasing as there are dishonest sellers.

I've only heard with any reliability of one person with the SKS problem. I also know that I've had a number of successful and hassle-free purchases from him. So, it makes sense to me to continue doing business with ammoman for the time being.

What other sources are there for Lake City M855 besides Ammoman? I never see it listed anywhere else.

Does anyone know where else to find it?

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Sorta.

http://ammunitiontogo.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24_83_105&products_id=1459

A week or two ago they had actual green-tipped stuff in stock but that link results in a "Product not found" now. However, the above is the exact same projectile, at least according to them.

I've only heard with any reliability of one person with the SKS problem. I also know that I've had a number of successful and hassle-free purchases from him. So, it makes sense to me to continue doing business with ammoman for the time being.

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If you know more about the situation than I do, that's all good since I don't know the truth of the matter.

I draw the line on people who are fine with buying from someone who they believe probably did rip people off, because they'll save a few bucks. I don’t need ammo so bad that I have to do business with scammer.

Maybe ammo man did not do anything wrong, but why then are there so many stories, and so many people down on him? There are lots of ammo dealers out there, but only one with his reputation. The only gun dealer with a similar rep would be Vulcan.

I don’t know what AIM or J&G or the many other ammo dealers are doing different than ammoman, but clearly there is a difference.