1911 cocked and locked Without holster
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David E
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I guess I could add "lucky to have gotten away with it for years" to the list....
That's why I said "routinely." The cops aren't undercover 24/7. Your last statement in the above quote actually confirms my statement that "badguys don't use holsters"
Look, barring certain specific situations (like an undercover cop) it's never a good idea to pack a handgun in the waist without a holster. Why? Because the damn thing constantly shifts, moves, dips, turns and rotates. Sometimes, it falls down the pant leg. At best, it requires the person to constantly readjust the gun, betraying the fact that they are armed. At worst, the grip is inaccessible at a very key moment when, for example, the undercover cop is burned and has to make a fast, one handed draw to survive. (oh, wait, he carried chamber empty, so he's already outta luck !!)
If it's "worked" for you, great. But that doesn't change the fact that it's a mighty poor way to routinely carry a gun for personal defense.
SharpsDressedMan
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I think maybe us fat guys can hold it in place better, with a wad of flesh, when carrying "Mexican"..........
sheepdog
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...you don't know a lot about undercover, I see... undercover's not an 8-hour shift...and I've known more professional officers than citizens who carried in the belt and never had a problem...but I guess only your way is right and they were all wrong...amazing...you missed the point...you can state your opinions without crapping on others' opinions...or can you?
sheepdog
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SharpsDressedMan...
...+1...I knew there was a reason for seconds...and dessert...it's for the cause!!!
...+1...I knew there was a reason for seconds...and dessert...it's for the cause!!!
your physique has a lot to do with the viablity of mexican carry.
i'm short and slim, yet a 1911 rides fine in my belt unless i'm doing a lot of sitting down and getting up.
tucked-in-my-belt is the one time that i DON'T carry condition1.
not that i don't trust condition1, but tucked-in-the-belt is (for lack of a better term) a casual, run-to-the-store situation.
if i'm going to assume that it's a low-risk situation, i may as well assume that i'll have time to charge my weapon.
wow, i just talked myself out out of my whole point...
i'm short and slim, yet a 1911 rides fine in my belt unless i'm doing a lot of sitting down and getting up.
tucked-in-my-belt is the one time that i DON'T carry condition1.
not that i don't trust condition1, but tucked-in-the-belt is (for lack of a better term) a casual, run-to-the-store situation.
if i'm going to assume that it's a low-risk situation, i may as well assume that i'll have time to charge my weapon.
wow, i just talked myself out out of my whole point...
sheepdog
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...longer guns do better for me...the 1911, Combat Commander, Hi-Power...I can't carry a revolver that way...I'm too active...but an auto stays put, both when I was slim...and now that I'm .......not......
easyg
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Sure.
Just keep your finger off the trigger until the target is in your sights and you'll be alright.
TexasBill
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I've carried 1911s and Browning Hi-Powers cocked & locked and tucked in a waistband. It never bothered me as most of the guys I knew who carried an automatic off duty carried theirs exactly the same way. However, after one "down the pants" accident in a cafeteria, I started wearing an IWB holster. Fortunately for me, I was wearing jeans and boots and the gun stopped at my boot top.
sheepdog
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...what was the pucker factor on that one??? Never have I known that to happen before......there is a device that's been around for 30 years or more called a Clipdraw, I believe...attaches to one side of the gun and clips over the pants or belt, that would stop that...just remembered that...may help someone who carries in this way.....
... http://www.clipdraw.com/
David E
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Um, I said, "barring certain specific situations (like an undercover cop)....",
How do you know? Did they tell you about the time the gun slipped out of their belt at the movie theater and hit the floor?
I didn't think so.
Saying "I've known more professional officers than citizens who carried in the belt and never had a problem..." is like saying "I've known professional truckers that drove from California to Maine on bald tires and they never had a problem," as if that proves driving over 3100 miles on bald tires is a smart thing to do.
earlthegoat2
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I dont so much carry without a holster as I pocket carry without one. It is only for short periods and it is rarely done with a gun sans thumb safety. Usually a Beretta 92 or BHP or P7 in the front pocket of a hoodie while I am taking my dog out to do some business.
I would have no problem carrying that Hi Power just in the waistband or south of the border style.
I would have no problem carrying that Hi Power just in the waistband or south of the border style.
sheepdog
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David E...
...you're scratchin' in the dirt...trying to wipe away a lotta practical on-the-street experience to make your dogmatic statements right...ain't gonna work...I'll go with actual life experiences of many before the opinion of one...here's what you said:
"...That's why I said "routinely." The cops aren't undercover 24/7..." and that's what I addressed...
...you've expressed your opinions...why don't you just do it your way and all the others who do it differently will go ahead and do it the way that's worked for years for them...I don't know how old you are or how much carrying experience you have...but you're picking apart hundreds of years of collected carrying without a holster...ain't gonna fly... I'm done here...
...you're scratchin' in the dirt...trying to wipe away a lotta practical on-the-street experience to make your dogmatic statements right...ain't gonna work...I'll go with actual life experiences of many before the opinion of one...here's what you said:
"...That's why I said "routinely." The cops aren't undercover 24/7..." and that's what I addressed...
...you've expressed your opinions...why don't you just do it your way and all the others who do it differently will go ahead and do it the way that's worked for years for them...I don't know how old you are or how much carrying experience you have...but you're picking apart hundreds of years of collected carrying without a holster...ain't gonna fly... I'm done here...
eatont9999
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I would not carry a 1911 any other way. I do prefer a holster of some kind so it does not fall down my pants. That would be awkward in the store: "is that a gun in your pants or are you just happy to shop here?"
Vern Humphrey
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Mostly because they fear added charges or getting their paroles revoked if caught with a gun. If they throw the gun away before getting nabbed, but still have the holster, they're in trouble.
Carne Frio
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I cannot understand why the hell someone would want to spend hundreds of dollars (at least) on a gun and not cough up the money necessary for a holster... A cheap uncle mikes IWB carries safely for all of 15 bucks. i cannot fathom a situation that would merrit carrying a 1911 "mexican" style.
stork
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"Just for information sake, and I know there are scores of people who will criticize me, but I carry some 1911's and some other SA autos chamber empty, and figure if I don't have the 1/4-1/2 second it adds to my draw to jack the slide, then if was my bad day."
Ditto,
I've been carrying my Colt compact that way for 15+ years. I can only think of 2 times (both times in a larger city in areas that just didn't have the right 'feel') I have chambered a round, engaged the safety, and carried it that way.
I always carry it behind the hip-strong side-inside the waistband with the belt snug. I can go about my business and have even jogged (not very far-exercise is way over rated). I haven't found a holster yet that gave less of an imprint.
FWIW
Ditto,
I've been carrying my Colt compact that way for 15+ years. I can only think of 2 times (both times in a larger city in areas that just didn't have the right 'feel') I have chambered a round, engaged the safety, and carried it that way.
I always carry it behind the hip-strong side-inside the waistband with the belt snug. I can go about my business and have even jogged (not very far-exercise is way over rated). I haven't found a holster yet that gave less of an imprint.
FWIW
What if your other arm/hand is injured or busy doing something else, like pushing the BG away?
TexasBill
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No fun at all! I was carrying a tray full of food at the time and wearing fairly loose jeans. I had a Colt Commander tucked in my waistband under a shirt. I sort of hobbled to a table very quickly and "dropped a napkin." Stuck the gun back in my belt in a crossdraw position. Bought an IWB holster the next day.
Yes, I remember them but the holster was just a few bucks and I could carry either the Colt or the Browning in it.
FWIW - the Beltster I pictured IS a holster, it holds my gun very securely, I've never had a problem with slippage or looseness, it stays put and stays tight. I also have a Milt Sparks VMII that I paid big bucks for and waited 6 months to get. Supposedly "the best there is", I've used it twice. The Beltster is far more comfortable than the VMII, and holds my pants tight. The VMII introduces too much bulk in my waistband and drags my pants down on that side.
It works for ME, your mileage may vary.
It works for ME, your mileage may vary.
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NavyLCDR
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SharpsDressedMan said:
Or what if the gun jams upon chambering? I would rather deal with a jam in the relaxed atmosphere of my home rather than with a bad guy bearing down on me.
Anyway, now that I am guilty of continuing to drag this off topic
, a purdy gun deserves a purdy holster!
tipoc
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I was wondering why I haven't always used a holster over the years.
Vern go it right. It's hard to explain away an empty holster on your belt.
Anyways, for brief periods of time I have been observed to stuff a piece in my waistband, usually for short walks from point A to B. Longer periods or anything involving bending, sitting, moving about, etc. and I prefer something else with more security. Or maybe a paper bag in my coat pocket.
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