22 Creedmoor, because WE NEED MORE CREEDMOOR!

[mcb]

I can already hear the naysayer and curmudgeons weeping and whining. I am sort of surprised it took this long for this cartridge to come out as a SAAMI cartridge. It makes sense and has been wildcatted for years.



The above video does a nice overview and comparison to a few similar cartridges.

For full disclosure I do not own a 6.5 Creedmoor but I do own a 6mm Creedmoor and rather like it.

 

[Buzznrose]

I am impressed by the stats…probably not a cartridge I’m interested in but the video did give me more interest for the 6CM…

 

[mcb]

I am impressed by the stats…probably not a cartridge I’m interested in but the video did give me more interest for the 6CM…

Yeah, My 6CM has been a fun rifle to play with. I really want to get into reloading for this cartridge. I have stretched mine to 1000 yards and have shot my personal best 5-shot group with it, printing a .38 MOA group at 200 yards shooting Barnes factory ammo.

If I was still doing lots of groundhog hunting or similar this 22 Creedmoor would have more draw to me.

 

[earlthegoat2]

I bought a 6.5 CM earlier this year, Im glad I got it but I dont think it will stay around long. I have made some dime sized groups that put a smile on my face but, as I figured, it just doesnt do it for me.

Maybe its the lack of recoil. That purchase put my 7mm PRC project on hold so maybe that will be my forever bottleneck cartridge.

 

[horsemen61]

Awesome

 

[45/30-06OKIE]

Great, another caliber to be price gouged to heck and never be in stock... Sigh...

 

[12Bravo20]

I wonder what barrel life will be for the 22 CM versus 6 CM and 6.5 CM.

 

[JmacD]

I’m wondering about 25 creedmoor… hmmm…

 

[45/30-06OKIE]

I’m wondering about 25 creedmoor… hmmm…

Just get a fast twist 25-06! I'm totally not biased... 90gr CX bullets flipping rip with a max charge of StaBall HD.

 

[Jim Watson]

Gimme the gist. How does it compare to a fast twist Varminter or Swift?

 

[Rubone]

Yawn, I have yet to see one of these cartridges that make a (insert animal of your choice) more dead than anything I've been shooting the last 50 years. As to just punching paper that has zero interest for me.

 

[mcb]

I wonder what barrel life will be for the 22 CM versus 6 CM and 6.5 CM.

My guess its going to be a barrel burner on a similar if not slightly faster rate than 6mm Creedmoor.

Gimme the gist. How does it compare to a fast twist Varminter or Swift?

Think 223 Remington velocities but with an 80gr bullet instead of a 55gr. Similar energy at the muzzle and going down range to 243 Win but slightly flatter trajectory. Recoil slightly less than 243 but slightly greater than 22-250.

 

[MarshallDodge]

I would rather a 22BR before a 22CM but for the factory ammo crowd, this should be fun.

 

[mcb]

Yawn, I have yet to see one of these cartridges that make a (insert animal of your choice) more dead than anything I've been shooting the last 50 years. As to just punching paper that has zero interest for me.

Sometime it not about the performance down range but bringing similar performance of an old cartridge to a new plateform. 6.5CM doesn't do anything 6.5 Swedish can't except 6.5CM fits in short action bolt gun and AR-10 semi-auto. 450 Bushmaster and 458 SOCOM don't do anything 45/70 Govt can't do equal or better except 450BM and 458 SOCOM fit in an AR-15.

The other thing may of these new cartridge do to facilitate the trend to heavier bullets for caliber. The are twisted faster and leave more room in the action/throat/magazine to run much heavier/longer bullets. That brings certain advantages and a few liabilities but that is the current trend.

 

[C-grunt]

I know a dude who has been doing a lot of coyote hunting with the 22CM out of an AR10. He's got a lot of good things to say about it. Super accurate too.

 

[ECVMatt]

I love the .22/250 and can't tell you how many times I have almost pulled the trigger on a Tikka 1:8. Now I am glad I waited. One of my favorite ranch loads for TX is an 85 grn. .243 or 6mm Rem. at about 3300 FPS. In CA, I need lead free rounds and this is where I think the .22 C might excel. This round should pretty much mimic my .243 load that but with slightly better ballistics and a LF bullet. I am definitely interested.

This would make a great GP ranch rifle round both being able to whack varmints and take southern deer a pigs. Now let's see who brings out rifles.

 

[earlthegoat2]

Sometime it not about the performance down range but bringing similar performance of an old cartridge to a new plateform. 6.5CM doesn't do anything 6.5 Swedish can't except 6.5CM fits in short action bolt gun and AR-10 semi-auto. 450 Bushmaster and 458 SOCOM don't do anything 45/70 Govt can't do equal or better except 450BM and 458 SOCOM fit in an AR-15.

The other thing may of these new cartridge do to facilitate the trend to heavier bullets for caliber. The are twisted faster and leave more room in the action/throat/magazine to run much heavier/longer bullets. That brings certain advantages and a few liabilities but that is the current trend.

I may be mistaken but I think the SAAMI chamber specs are a bit tighter than for the older cartridges to facilitate a bit better accuracy to complete the fast twist heavy long bullet accuracy package that the Creedmoor and PRC cartridges are striving for.

 

[mcb]

I may be mistaken but I think the SAAMI chamber specs are a bit tighter than for the older cartridges to facilitate a bit better accuracy to complete the fast twist heavy long bullet accuracy package that the Creedmoor and PRC cartridges are striving for.

The specs in the SAAMI specs were established by the SAAMI member company that sponsored the cartridge to SAAMI. The SAAMI specs in general is, on purpose, kept fairly loose as far as most tolerances go. The SAAMI specs are bare minimum guide lines for safety, not for the best performance. Most SAAMI specs for cartridges allow +.004/-.000 for bore and grove diameters of the barrel even some of the newest rifle cartridge only tighten that up to +.002/-.000 but most manufactures are holding tighter than that. +.001/-.000 is pretty typical for a middle of the line rifle barrel made by any of the major manufactures despite the SAAMI spec. Some of the high end barrel makers are hold half that.

 

[Dr T]

Sort of reminds me of a 22 RCBS AI

 

[doubleh]

Although I personally have no interest I think it is great for anyone that does.

 

[NMachine]

 

[Varminterror]

A lot of guys I know have been shooting 22 creeds for years already, both for coyotes and competition. Barrel life sucks, impact splash is even worse than for 6mm’s, but they do the job, with very little recoil.

The 22 GT has become pretty popular as well, using a bit less powder and gaining a bit more barrel life.

The 22 Creedmoor is what the 220 Swift always wanted to be. Big cases behind light for caliber bullets is a game of former generations. A lot of guys were blowing out ackley shoulders and using custom fast twist barrels long before I ever came along, the some of those guys taught me about it over 25yrs ago… pretending this stuff is new and undeserving is just dumb. It’s just a tide change that NOW we can buy factory rifles and ammo, standard dies, load-ready brass, standard spec reamers, and barrels off of the shelf, and we can have full tables of load data as repair es, instead of being stuck building custom rifles and ordering custom reamers and dies just to do what always should have been possible.

 

[mavracer]

I am impressed by the stats…probably not a cartridge I’m interested in but the video did give me more interest for the 6CM…

I don't think you're alone about either cartridge. The 6mms really have the lock on PRS shooting so the 22 Creed isn't going to be real popular there and for Varmints you gain little real world benefit stuffing 40gr of powder behind 22 bullets.
As to the 6mm Creed it does to the 243 what the 243 did to the 6mm Remington just adds one thing without giving up much elsewhere.
I bought a bolt 6 Creed and rebarreled my 243 to 6 Creed and have a 224 Valkyrie. I just don't have much of a gap for the 22 Creed.

 

[CraigC]

Although I personally have no interest I think it is great for anyone that does.

Same here. Always glad to see new developments but a high performance .22 centerfire just doesn't do anything I need doing.

 

[doubleh]

Big cases behind light for caliber bullets is a game of former generations.

Being of a former generation I really liked using a 22-25 to punch a 40 or 45 gr bullet into a jackrabbit or prairie dog. It still gets the job done today. I know I am considered a fossil by most but don't give one small hoot if I am. Shoot what you wish and enjoy it. I will do the same. Just keep on shooting what ever it is that floats your boat.