Did the price of gas go back down after hurricane Katrina?
so is it years before it ever gets straightned out?
so is the 22 ammo ever go back to normal
Gas and oil have never followed laws of supply and demand. Its not a good comparison.Did the price of gas go back down after hurricane Katrina?
There's your unfortunate answer
Did the price and availability of AR-15s and 5.56 ammo come back down after the panic in 2008? Yes, and there's your answer.
Gas and oil have never followed laws of supply and demand. Its not a good comparison.
This is better:
Did the price and availability of AR-15s and 5.56 ammo come back down after the panic in 2008? Yes, and there's your answer.
i disagree with everything you've said in that post.I assure you 22 ammo will never see "normal" market forces again. Or at least not in this decade.
223 came back because everyone and their crippled uncle jumped in the ammo manufacturing game. Have you seen any new rimfire makers yet?
Ponder this. I'd bet a doughnut that 90% of 22's sold in the past 10 years are ar pattern guns with 25rd + mags. Without VAST new manufacturing this IS the new normal. And this was brewing up before sandy hook brought it to a head
i disagree with everything you've said in that post.
fyi, there are people who are buying 22lr ammo right now, in retail stores for 4 cents a round. its regional though.
...and the fact no new manufacturing capacity has been added since has any bearing whatsoever on supply?
What he said.and the reason 223 came back is because consumers got fully supplied, which meant that demand for 223 went back down. Once that happened, normal supply levels of 223 were reached and then were surpassed by those trying to meet the once high demand. After that, it only followed that the price had to go down and down and down.
we wont see 22lr come fully back everywhere until everyone who wants to buy it fills their personal cache and literally stops buying it for 6 months.
I have an acquaintance who has experienced the "supplying it to their reseller buddies" at Walmart first hand. Per his story (which I believe) he has a friend at the ammo distributor who fed him info on which Walmart stores were getting ammo shipments. He knew that his local WM got a large .22 LR shipment the night before, and how much. So he went to the store and asked for ammo. The ammo department person claimed not to have any. The shopper insisted on speaking with the store manager, and told the manager the story, and the manager directed a stock boy to go bring out whatever they had. The stock boy wheeled out a fairly large quantity, and the shopper bought a bunch of it because the manager waived the limit due to the situation.Just a few observations from a former Walmart ammo stalker who bought a LOT of ammo from various Walmarts over the last 8 months or so (just got into 22 then):
1. Just because the clerk tells you they haven't seen any in X amount of time, doesn't mean they're not getting it.
2. That particular clerk may simply not be around when the ammo is rolled out.
3. The ammo is being intercepted by insiders, so if that particular clerk is not "in the loop", they know nothing about it.
4. You may have run into an insider, who is trying to throw you off the track (just go away) so his buddies can buy it.
5. Apathy - after being asked a thousand times a day, many probably have a canned response so you'll leave them alone.
I was monitoring 30 or so Walmarts - I quickly learned which ones were dependable, and which ones had folks obviously playing games with the 22.
One obvious sign I ran across - when a clerk tells you they haven't seen any in X amount of time, and you ask a few questions (inventory shows it should be in stock), and they proceed to beat you over the head...well, you've probably run into an insider.
Usually it's a grumpy old white guy - 2 particular Walmarts I used to visit (5 miles apart) often had ammo show up on the same day. Went in one 10 times, walked out with 22 ammo 10 times. 5 miles down the road, walked in 10 times, never got any ammo, was told "We haven't had any 22 ammo in ages", then went home and watched inventory go down, down, down, gone (as he was obviously selling it).
I've seen employees tell folks they were out of 22, then saw them sell it to one of their buddies who came in 5 minutes after the former shopper left).
I had one tell me "no ammo" last night, then watched her sell a buddy some 223 when there was none on the shelf.
I've had a number of employees sell me ammo from under the counter (a Walmart no-no) - some probably just put it there for convenience (won't have to keep unlocking the case), but they should at least leave a box in the glass case so folks know they have it - how many folks glance at the case, see nothing, and keep walking?
Some of the employees that sold to me from under the counter knew I was monitoring them, and sold it to me just to get me to go away.
I've also seen some of those same employees offer up a number of brands / lots in an effort to get me to bite - when I didn't, they finally brought out the Winchester M*22 I was after. I'll take 3 boxes of that Winchester M*22 (3k rounds) instead of the 3 boxes of CCI MiniMags (300 rounds) she tried to push on me to get me to go away (obviously trying to hang onto the M*22 for her buddies).
I've got all the 22 I need, but I may start helping out some youth programs at our local range, so I'll probably soon be looking for more for the kids.
Armscor is now manufacturing ammo in the US, .22lr and .22 mag was one of their first outputs.Have you seen any new rimfire makers yet?