Meijers in BLOINGBROOK, IL made a big boo boo

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Hey, was that the Weber Road or the Boughton Road Meijers? Now that I know the manager OK'd it, I want to find out if they'll extend that pricing to anyone in the region, maybe send a friend of mine in the area to pick some up.

Thanks in advance!
 
Even as a retail zombie, I can say I wouldn't pass up that deal. He did okay in my book. Hey, it rings .99, proper description, no countering signs.... That's the retailer getting to eat that. They've already paid the manufacturer and distributor. I would have taken it after commenting at least once. Hey, for the savings, you can spend that time. Even if a manager had decided to say no to the .99, you could probably make a deal for half the difference. Mark-up on ammunition in some places is absurd.
 
Back in my college days I worked in the school bookstore as a cashier. Because eventually someone makes a mistake somewhere, sometimes the items students would buy would come up on the computer with different prices than advertised/displayed/marked/whatever. If the price on the computer was higher, there was an easy way for me to simply put in the lower price in the computer as "general merchandise" and charge the customer the lower price, which I had no problem doing. The only problem was our inventory wouldn't be quite as accurate as it could be, but it wasn't a big deal.

If the price on the computer was lower than what was marked, I would charge them the price on the computer. Obviously, using the "general merchandise" button, I in theory could have charged them the higher price, but I never did. Basically I was told by my manager that it's not my fault that the inventory guy messed up and that whenever there is a mistake in pricing, we always give the lower price. Our customers were always more important to us.

BTW, I feel I have to mention that there were numerous times that when something scanned for a lot less than it should have been, the customer pointed it out to me and insisted on paying the higher price. I always thanked them for their honesty and told them that out of respect for them as customers, we always give them the lower price. Maybe it's hard for some to believe, but there actually are honest people out there.
 
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What do you make of this story?

On "jealousy": Dishonest people often rationalize and justify their dishonesty by claiming that everyone else is just as dishonest as they are.

They aren't.

I'll be most interested to see what everyone makes of this one. It's a true story, and made the national news 15 or 20 years ago.

A young man gets on the subway in NYC. The car is empty. After a bit, he notices that there's a brown paper grocery bag under his seat. He looks inside. It's filled with cash.

He gets off at the next stop and takes the bag to the nearest police station to turn it in. The desk sergeant tells him he's crazy. The other cops on duty tell him he's crazy. They say the bag probably belongs to some dope dealer or Mob numbers runner, and he ought to just keep it. Still, the young man persists, so the cops count the money--i don't recall the amount, but it was well over $100,000--and give the young man a receipt.

Just as they're finishing the paperwork, an elderly couple comes in; they are both in tears, the woman hysterical. "I know you'll think we're crazy," says the old man, "but did anyone turn in a bag of money?"

It was their life savings, and they were taking it to Florida where they would use it to buy a home and retire. Why they foolishly decided to carry cash, I don't know; I suspect they were old-school East European immigrants who traditionally don't trust banks and keep their savings hidden away somewhere in cash. At any rate, they were pathetically grateful to have their lives back, and they pressed the young man to accept some of the money as a reward.

He refused to take it.

Most of you, no doubt, will say that that young man was crazy. Maybe he was; but I'll tell you this--if I ever lose anything valuable, I hope the person who finds it is like that "crazy" young man instead of like most of you.

And so do you--all of you. And you know it.

What is the most basic law of morality, taught by every religion and philosophy that has ever existed? You know what it is: "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."

If that Meijer's were your business, would you still say that this behavior was perfectly OK?

If you say, "Yes," you're lying. You would think it wrong. And it would be. Q.E.D.

Everybody screws up; and everybody also hopes that others will have compassion on them, and not take their screwup as an opportunity to take advantage of them--let alone to take them for as much damage as possible, and then go and crow about it proudly.

Nobody here can honestly say that they'd appreciate being treated like that. Therefore, it's wrong.

Like I said, it's not a BIG wrong--but it's still wrong, and it's a little childish to pretend that it isn't.

If anyone here thinks I'm "jealous" of the OP and wish I were "lucky" and "smart" like him--well, I'll just say, "No, thanks."

I've "stolen" in small matters, too; but at least I knew it was wrong. To have no idea that there might be a problem here, and to want to shut down discussion when he finds, to his surprise, that he's not being universally applauded--well, I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. It's one thing to say, "I know maybe I shouldn't have done it, but it was a good deal"--but quite another to just never think about the right and wrong of it at all.
 
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So the assumption is that most of us would not have returned the bag of money?

Nice. Welcome to THR BTW.

I would have let them sell me the ammo for .99 AND I have returned/dropped off at the PD all the articles of lost property I've ever found. Sort of blows your theory to Hades don't it.

On the other side I've let people buy the item when it was not priced right, both as a worker and a supervisor. It was our mistake as a business, we quoted the wrong amount and the buyer gets a windfall.

On yet another side, I've let workers reset an obviously wrong price without demanding I get it as it was listed originally.

The question is: Just what obligation does a person have to correct the incompetence of a business entity?
 
OK, Here's one for you:

Grocery stores in my area have Coke 24-packs on sale for $2.99 (limit three with additional $20 purchase). I know from experience that if you try to buy more than the three limit cases in one transaction, the computer automatically only reduces the first three, the rest are sold at regular price.

I drive past the store every day coming home from work -and every day after work I stop in, pick up three cases of Coke, and $20 worth of stuff I know we need. I do this nearly every day until the sale ends.

What's wrong with that?

-OR-

I go in, buy $20 worth of stuff off of my grocery list, and three cases of Coke. Put in car. Go back in. Buy another $20 worth of stuff on my list and three more cases of Coke. Repeat until I have enough Coke to last a while.

Is this wrong?

How about, I go to the U-Scan-It checkout with a grocery cart piled high with Coke cases and another piled high with groceries. I stand there running $20 of groceries and 3-cases of Coke on single transactions until everything is all paid for.

Is *that* wrong?

Or, how about this: Sometimes my wife and I use two carts (one for each kid) and split the list between us: Then each of us gets 3-cases of Cokes on sale.

Is *THIS* wrong?
 
Walmart BOO Boo

Several years ago, I walked into a walmart store to purchse a SS Ruger 10-22 with a Manlicher grey laminated stock. The rifle was on closeout @ I believe $159 which was a deal. When the clerk rang the rifle up, it showed a price of $99. The guy behind the counter checked and said he couldn't change the price in the computer. I asked if he had any more in stock. He said he had one remaining. I was and am a proud owner of these Ruger's today. Sometime you win, sometime you lose, and sometime you break even! Good shooting.
 
Here's another good one: I and my wife clip coupons and watch for sales and we shop with a careful eye on the bottom line...

The local store had the new 4-blade battery razors on sale for $8.99 from $10.99.

I had a coupon for $2 off of the shaver refills, on sale from $8.99 to $6.99.

The shaver company sent me a coupon that if I buy a shaver and a pack of refills, the shaver is free, coupon valued at $10. It looks like a check, not a coupon and tenders as a check.

PLUS if I bought $25 worth of Health and Beauty products PLUS $25 from some other department I was going to buy anyway, I earned a $15 store credit.

So, a big bottle of shampoo, a bottle of vitamins, the new shaver, and the refills, total was about $25.

Auto-printed a $15 coupon good immediately. Total, $10
Presented the $2 off coupon. Total, $8
Presented the $10 free shaver certificate. Total, -$2
Presented my shopper's rewards card. ( $4 in discounts from store sale price)Total, -$6

Now that credit added in with other stuff I bought (Total bill before discounts/coupons was $184-ish, after all discounts, coupons, sales, gift certificates, etc. was about $111 or so, and we paid with Church Scrip so our church gets 5% of the total as a donation...)
PLUS, based upon the original total dollars spent, we get credits for fuel discounts at the grocery's gas station. We get $.30 a gallon discount this month based on what we spent there.

Is any of that wrong?

Ya know, I bought cell phones from Circuit City for my wife and I, and they had rebates, store credits, coupons, etc, and I wound up making $50 in my pocket to take the phones. Is that wrong?


The people who claim they would not buy this ammo at the posted price: Suppose if you bought a can of soda from a vending machine, and when you got your soda, you found the machine had dropped two cans, what would you do? Take the second can and shut up? Stick it on top of the machine for the serviceman to find? Jam another dollar in the coin return slot somehow? Call the 800 number on the machine and ask to put it on your credit card over the phone? Let's be real honest here.
 
I can logically see where absolutists are coming from in this thread, I just think that in a retail transaction, in which both parties are willingly conducting, the area of what is "right" or "justifiable" is a whole lot larger.
 
OK I just wanna say Gaudio is not a criminal he just took advantage of the situation. Ethics are in question but nobody is going to die so he gets off with a warning.

Kolob as far as WalMart goes taking advantage of them is like taking advantage of Pohl Pot it's OK in my book.
 
The quote thing doesn't work for me, but I'm used to problems like that; my computer is in storage. I do this on a BlackBerry. Thanks for the advice anyway, though.

I did say "most" wouldn't return the money, not "all"--and for the record, I think that goes for most people in general, not just here. I'd probably use the drug-dealer excuse myself. I think that the young man in that story was pretty unusual--and the fact that the story made the national news rather proves that, I think.

You say you've allowed people to make purchases at an incorrect price; I've been in retail, and so have I. But the question here is, would you let them back a truck up to the door and load it to the top at a price as low as the one discussed here?

My central point remains: Would you WANT to be treated like this? Would you ENJOY losing several thousand dollars' worth of merchandise at pennies on the dollar?

If not, according to the Golden Rule, this was wrong. Period.

Like I keep saying: It wasn't a BIG wrong, but I don't understand why people are trying to somehow make it RIGHT. A child can see that it wasn't.

Plus, I think it's clear that the OP didn't think about the moral issue for an instant. Look at the title of this thread: "...a big boo boo."

"Someone else made a big mistake, and I greedily grabbed the chance to take advantage of them for as much money as I possibly could; and now I'm going to brag about doing it so everyone can congratulate me."

It's not enormously heinous or evil--but it's surely not admirable, either, wnich is what the OP seems to think. Why is that so hard to understand?
 
Maybe $.99 was the RIGHT price. They may have been sitting on that ammo for years. Plus the store manager OK'd the price and the sale of the entire pallet of ammo.
 
However, to me he was wrong not to tell the clerk that he knew the price was wrong. That's different than asking if the price is correct. He also was wrong to load up. But it's a little wrong, not a big one. Calling it theft makes it harder to label real theft.

"A little bit pregnant?"
 
If that Meijer's were your business, would you still say that this behavior was perfectly OK?

YES. It would be my mistake, and no one else's. It makes no difference whether I sell them all to one guy at $.99 or to 80 different people, I still sold them all at the wrong price due to my mistake.

Comparing this to the found bag of money is not an apt comparison, either. The bag of money was not a contract. I didn't meet the couple and contract for them to give me their life savings in exchange for nothing. Buying ammo at a ridiculous discount IS a contract, and legally binding. Nothing says a contract has to be fair or even beneficial to both parties, it just says that each party has to receive something of value. Gaudio got his ammo and the store got $.99. Offer, acceptance, consideration.
 
I have been thinking about this a bit- a very interesting post and replies. And my first post calling it theft was wrong. A price was paid, and product received. But it is unethical. The closest analogy I can come up with is this-

You have a mod 70 for sale, price $775. A guy calls, asks about the price, and wants to look at the rifle, and you set a time for him to come over. He is on his way and due to some emergency you need to leave. You tell your kid sister this guy is on his way and the price is $775, if he wants it take the cash. She is messing about with her I-pod/cell phone etc and hears you say $75, instead of $775. The guy shows up, likes the rifle, and says, how much did you want for this again? Sis says , $75. He says, wow, thats a good price, are you sure? Sis says, yeah, $75. So the guy pays up and leaves with the rifle.
He knew what the price should be, but used sis's inexperience to gain advantage. This is not ethical. It is quite common of course.

And as a reply to the comment about intellectual property- I have lots of friends who burn copy's of CD's . They think nothing of it, and do not regard it as theft in any way. I strongly disagree. Number one, the musicians have worked their tail off to create this music, and the CD is their only way outside of concerts to be paid for their efforts. Also, every CD burned is one less that is purchased legally, so it affects their track record of how popular their music is. Wow, I just LOVE this band, man. Here , lets RIP THEM OFF! Great.
 
What about all of the ammo sales that Wal-Mart and others have had recently, and in the past, where they let boxes of ammo sell for $1 or $5 a box just to clear out inventory? Is there any way we even know that it was in fact a computer error, and not a corporate decision to eliminate excess inventory? Because I can't see any way the absolutists here could argue against purchasing the entire pallet if corporate had deliberately set that price, and based on the description of the incident, there's no way of knowing one way or another that it wasn't deliberate on the part of Meijer's.
 
I have always believed the law to say that a seller is required to sell an item at the posted price, even if that price is wrong. However, a google search turns up nothing besides a few EULAs and non legal opinions. Would a lawyer be so kind as to help us out?
 
An interesting thread . . . I have read it intently, and will comment-on/consider only the event at hand . . . no Parallels, What-ifs, “Other scenarios,” or “How about this” cases . . . just this occurrence.

Obviously, the gentleman encountered a very good price & used it to his maximum advantage, from an economics perspective. He stated that he questioned the price with the clerk, and that the on-duty manager was fully aware of his request for the larger purchase at the low price. That satisfied his personal ethical needs. He was in no way obligated to meet anyone else’s ethical standards, yours or mine. Bottom line: he got a great deal; he did not steal, IMHO. Switching price labels to receive that price would be stealing; shoplifting boxes of ammo would be stealing; willfully attempting to befuddle the staff regarding price would be stealing; this was not. The pricing error was the store’s mistake. I don’t hold others accountable to my moral and ethical standards; some may be higher, some lower . . . it’s a personal thing.

Had I been in the same situation, I would have questioned the price to whatever extent I FELT NECESSARY to satisfy my conscience. Once that had been accomplished, I would have made my purchase, and in an amount that I could justify, based on finances & need. I would NOT have left the store without the product I came to purchase because the price was TOO LOW & the store staff refused to listen to me, and in this instance I most certainly would have purchased more than the amount for which I had originally come in. I’m an honest man; I’m not a fool, nor am I accountable for the job performance/efficiency of those in the retail or any other industry. I would not have felt guilty in the least, since I had openly & pointedly questioned what I perceived to be an obvious pricing error to the extent that I PERSONALLY FELT NECESSARY.

I don’t fault the gentleman’s exuberance at making a fantastic deal. I do, however, find it hard to believe that so many people have never encountered and availed themselves of a “good deal” in the course of their respective lifetimes. Bottom Line: Be honest with yourself and continue to “like the gal/guy you see in the mirror every day”. . . finis.
 
About 5 years ago my son and I were in Sport Unlimited, just looking. I asked the guy how much for the w/w .22 mag. He replied 5.99. I told him I'd take 2 boxes. He hands me 2 ctns. each with 5 boxes. I asked if he had any more in the store room. I just knew when I got to the cashier that I was going to be dissappointed, but they were selling 5 boxes for the price of 1. Needless to say I bought all they had.
 
Someone above quoted as saying this is a "little" wrong and wrote that this was like being a little pregnant. Well, some things are just pretty minor. It's wrong to drive 26 in a 25 zone, but it's not as wrong as killing someone for a thrill. That's why we have different levels of punishment. Have we gotten so Manichean that we only have two categories for everything?
 
If the store manager said the price was right who was gaudio5 supposed to complain to? Should he have called the corporate office and asked them? Maybe he should have put the ammo back and went to a store that would charge $10 a box?
 
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