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I'm more concerned about the shortage of gunpowder for reloading as it affects many calibers.
Supply may finally stabilize but you ARE looking at the new "normal" as far as price goes
Charger442 said:I would say that LESS 22lr ammo is being shot today and pre-Sandy Hook. People are going to make sure they have 10K rounds before they start shooting it regularly again. Ask the any of the Academy, WalMart, Dicks retailers for who is buying up all the 22LR..... its the same 4 guys who know when the truck comes, buy all they can and then its either sold online or marked up for a gun store down the street. Its happening and the only way to stop is not to pay the jacked up prices and let these re-sellers choke on their supply.
No it won't - we now have tons of 223 on the shelves at every gun store and the prices are not coming down to prepanic levels
Get used to a minimum of .05/each, if not closer to .08
It's that way with popular guns too. Absolutely no idea when they will be in stock. Unknowable! Mystery of the Universe!
What gives? Don't they fill purchases in the order placed? If so, estimated delivery is simple. Inability to estimate delivery implies there's some monkey business going on other than straight-forward "get in line".
well been a long time since I've been able to get 22lr and 22mag, so will it ever be back on the shelves at lower prices??:banghead:
No it won't - we now have tons of 223 on the shelves at every gun store and the prices are not coming down to prepanic levels
Costs have gone UP. Remember a little thing called Obamacare? My wife's insurance has risen 40% in the last few years - I suspect the same at the ammo and gun makers. Brass and lead still have a huge world-wide demand - all the imported stuff has made a few billion new middle class folks in China and India and they want cars - and they need batteries.
When we had our shotgun club's fields mined for lead reclamation, the reclaimer had it sold before he started to car battery makers - they were paying the highest price
Get used to a minimum of .05/each, if not closer to .08
Gas and oil have never followed laws of supply and demand. Its not a good comparison.
This is better:
Did the price and availability of AR-15s and 5.56 ammo come back down after the panic in 2008? Yes, and there's your answer.
Cases online have come way down. Look at how cheap 223/556 is at SGammo, etc. You can buy brass cased .223 for $300/1000. My recovery rate of AR brass is not as good as it could be and I do have to put buy a case here and there.No it won't - we now have tons of 223 on the shelves at every gun store and the prices are not coming down to prepanic levels
Costs have gone UP. Remember a little thing called Obamacare? My wife's insurance has risen 40% in the last few years - I suspect the same at the ammo and gun makers. Brass and lead still have a huge world-wide demand - all the imported stuff has made a few billion new middle class folks in China and India and they want cars - and they need batteries.
When we had our shotgun club's fields mined for lead reclamation, the reclaimer had it sold before he started to car battery makers - they were paying the highest price
Get used to a minimum of .05/each, if not closer to .08
Once closets are full, people will stop buying.
YHow hard is it for those who ran out or new shooters who couldn't get any? When will they quit?
Interesting to read the old message thread from 2009 … CCI reported working 24/7 and putting out 4 million rounds a day even back then.It's been over five years since the onset of the 22LR ammo shortage and manufacturers reporting that they are working 24/7 to fill orders.
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-435858.html
Well, they've been working 24/7 since and the shortage has become worse if anything. What I have not heard of new capacity being brought on line.
But here it seems the manufacturers aren't raising prices. Instead, resellers & flippers, who add no value, get the additional money. They don't build production with the money, so scarcity remains.
The whole thing has a very "Soviet" central-planning committee vibe to it. At some point, it was decided "we'll make this much and no more". 4 million/day was good enough for 2009, so it is for 2014.
In the old Soviet Union, grocery store shelves were generally empty because the state planners had five-year plans that set production to be X units, set the price, and that was that. Sounds familiar ...
And just because CCI apparently hasn't increased their production of .22LR doesn't mean others aren't. Winchester, for example, has increased production by 25% in the last year. Remington is building new production facilities, which are supposed to be starting production soon, if not already. Armscor is building.
I don't see the shortage improving soon.
The California legislature is poised to pass SB43 … this law would require, as of July 1, 2016, that ammunition sales be conducted face-to-face (i.e., not online) by licensed ammunition vendors. Ammunition buyers would need state permits and the purchases would be recorded/tracked.
Whether or not Governor Moonbeam signs it in the next month or not, a whole lot of people in a state with 38 million population are looking to buy lifetime supplies before things get even more complicated and uncertain. Even if it fails to get a signature this time, it will be proposed again and again.
Its good some manufacturers are increasing production but unfortunate I've had such spotty results with Remington, no experience with Winchester. Can't risk a lifetime supply purchase on stuff I've had trouble or no history with.
Mirrors my experience also - early in the morning (they're supposed to put it out at 7am), old grumpy white guy beats me over the head, claiming they haven't had any 22 in ages. Happen to run across a different employee (young gal who obviously wasn't in the loop) and had 22 ammo on the shelf at 2pm!She was a "new face" employee (at least in that dept). I mentioned to her that for almost 2 years, the reply I would get from the other employees was "haven't seen .22 in ages". She said "I can tell you we get 3 shipments a week, and there was no timeframe in the past they didn't, that she was aware of."