The show was good, she got converted. I thought it very interesting when the woman came into the gun shop to buy a gun because her sons told her to. I was proud to see that the woman did not leave with a gun, but with encouragement to get training first. That was the right thing.
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Zach S
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I wonder how many anti's watched her come around, and started to think for themselves.
Frog48
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It would have reflected better upon gun owners if they would have chosen a more articulate family from an upper-middle class neighborhood. Tonight's show just perpetuated the stereotype of gun owners as "dumb trailer trash". And you know that is exactly how anti's view us, whether its true or not.
bumm
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At first, I wished they'd chosen a more polished, intellectual guy. If they had though, the anti's would've just said, "well, we all KNOW what the real redneck gun owners are like." This guy may not have articulated his points as well as we'd like, but he was a good guy, and the anti was impressed with what she experienced. Worked well.
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FieroCDSP
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I have to say that the guy producing those shows would qualify, in my mind, as a true reporter, in a sense. Certainly more so than Michael Moore or even the evening news. No real bias (at least none crammed into every possible nook and cranny), and at least some homework done. There was something he narrated in about Ohio's gun shows, and I can't remember what it was, but it wasn't quite right.
And I hope the guy checked his local ordinances before "arming" her for their CCW trip. In some localities, a BB gun, and even an airsoft gun, carried concealed can be legally considered a "concealed weapon."
And I hope the guy checked his local ordinances before "arming" her for their CCW trip. In some localities, a BB gun, and even an airsoft gun, carried concealed can be legally considered a "concealed weapon."
texas bulldog
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though i think the show turned out okay overall, i did have several gripes throughout:
1. they really should have put her with a more eloquent 2A supporter. the guy just sat there while the ceasefire ladies shoveled out that dribble. he had no response at all. any number of approaches would have been more effective than just shrugging in silence. seriously...say something!
2. i wish they would have had her talk to the guy that defended his family much sooner in her 30 days. in fact, they should have had her live with him instead of the guy they choose. she likely would've related to him much more quickly as "normal". she kept asking for a verifiable story of self-defense with a firearm, and they waited three weeks to give her one. hell, i'd have pulled out every issue of american rifleman in the house, and read the "armed citizen" to her aloud, then showed her the citation for the newspaper it came from. if she didn't buy it, i'd have googled the original story. basically they held the one thing that could have changed her mind until the end of the program.
3. i realize there was one full-auto shown during the first outdoor range session, but she clearly referred to every black rifle or carbine as a machine gun. and since she was never corrected, it reinforced that misconception amongst the uninformed audience.
4. starting off with a 12G? seriously...who thought that was going to work?
5. ultimately, they never really pointed out the ineffectiveness of gun control. yes, the dude kept telling her that criminals don't obey the law, but not very effectively. how about using crime rates in DC or chicago as case studies of the ineffectiveness of even the strictest gun control measures?
6. in the segment detailing how criminals obtain firearms, i was very disappointed that theft was not mentioned. many, many guns used in crimes are stolen. i thought it deserved a mention...
that's just off the top of my head. i think the exposure for gun-rights was decent overall, but i also feel like it could have been a lot better.
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1. they really should have put her with a more eloquent 2A supporter. the guy just sat there while the ceasefire ladies shoveled out that dribble. he had no response at all. any number of approaches would have been more effective than just shrugging in silence. seriously...say something!
2. i wish they would have had her talk to the guy that defended his family much sooner in her 30 days. in fact, they should have had her live with him instead of the guy they choose. she likely would've related to him much more quickly as "normal". she kept asking for a verifiable story of self-defense with a firearm, and they waited three weeks to give her one. hell, i'd have pulled out every issue of american rifleman in the house, and read the "armed citizen" to her aloud, then showed her the citation for the newspaper it came from. if she didn't buy it, i'd have googled the original story. basically they held the one thing that could have changed her mind until the end of the program.
3. i realize there was one full-auto shown during the first outdoor range session, but she clearly referred to every black rifle or carbine as a machine gun. and since she was never corrected, it reinforced that misconception amongst the uninformed audience.
4. starting off with a 12G? seriously...who thought that was going to work?
5. ultimately, they never really pointed out the ineffectiveness of gun control. yes, the dude kept telling her that criminals don't obey the law, but not very effectively. how about using crime rates in DC or chicago as case studies of the ineffectiveness of even the strictest gun control measures?
6. in the segment detailing how criminals obtain firearms, i was very disappointed that theft was not mentioned. many, many guns used in crimes are stolen. i thought it deserved a mention...
that's just off the top of my head. i think the exposure for gun-rights was decent overall, but i also feel like it could have been a lot better.
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Bartholomew Roberts
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I thought the guy was very well-spoken. He didn't hit every point I wanted to see hit (or more accurately it didn't make the final edit); but he was calm, informative and respectful.
I don't know if I could have done that well over 30 days of living with someone who cries when she shoots her first firearm.
I don't know if I could have done that well over 30 days of living with someone who cries when she shoots her first firearm.
Its a TV show, keep that in mind. Its a TV show
Hence the shotgun, hence the stereotypical redneck owner, hence the conviently appearing woman who wants to buy a new gun at the end of the show who's state mirror's the anti in the beginning.
So, we saw an even handed presentation on guns and America. The woman isn't going to be converted, she'll fly back to MA and back to her old life. She'll think it was fun what she did and she'll realize that there's a need for guns, but continue to push for "sensible" gun control.
Just like she did before.
ANyways, first time I watched 30 Days. As good as I expected it to be.
Hence the shotgun, hence the stereotypical redneck owner, hence the conviently appearing woman who wants to buy a new gun at the end of the show who's state mirror's the anti in the beginning.
So, we saw an even handed presentation on guns and America. The woman isn't going to be converted, she'll fly back to MA and back to her old life. She'll think it was fun what she did and she'll realize that there's a need for guns, but continue to push for "sensible" gun control.
Just like she did before.
ANyways, first time I watched 30 Days. As good as I expected it to be.
cpttango30
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I thought this was a very well done show. The women had valid questions and the gunny had valid answers.
I about fell out of my seat when she told the lady that because she is emotional that he should really get some training first. That was the best thing I seen on the show.
If I was Gunny I would have given her my name and number and told her that anytime she wanted to to call and bring the family down for some good old down home cookin and shootin.
What I didn't like was the fact that he had the money for at least 3 different AR but didn't have the money for a sheet of drywall for cover up the exposed studs and wiring in the living room.
Will she ever buy a gun no. But she did see the light even if it was a little dim.
I too was a bit pissed off about the 12 ga thing that was just Grade A choice STUPID.
I understand why she broke down the first time. She has never seen the side of guns that we do all she ever sees is the death and destruction shown on the nightly news. So of course she is going to think of her friend and children when she hears a gun shot she was conditioned that way by the media.
I must say I do have a lot of respect for her she went way out of her comfort zone for that show and for 30 days you may not think that but really think about living with Sara Brady for 30 days that would be the same for us as this was for her.
I am suprised that they did not go hunting and make her kill something then clean it and eat it.
I about fell out of my seat when she told the lady that because she is emotional that he should really get some training first. That was the best thing I seen on the show.
If I was Gunny I would have given her my name and number and told her that anytime she wanted to to call and bring the family down for some good old down home cookin and shootin.
What I didn't like was the fact that he had the money for at least 3 different AR but didn't have the money for a sheet of drywall for cover up the exposed studs and wiring in the living room.
Will she ever buy a gun no. But she did see the light even if it was a little dim.
I too was a bit pissed off about the 12 ga thing that was just Grade A choice STUPID.
I understand why she broke down the first time. She has never seen the side of guns that we do all she ever sees is the death and destruction shown on the nightly news. So of course she is going to think of her friend and children when she hears a gun shot she was conditioned that way by the media.
I must say I do have a lot of respect for her she went way out of her comfort zone for that show and for 30 days you may not think that but really think about living with Sara Brady for 30 days that would be the same for us as this was for her.
I am suprised that they did not go hunting and make her kill something then clean it and eat it.
texas bulldog
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you're right, and it's a valid response given her experience and indoctrination...
BUT...the funniest thing to me while watching the show was when my wife busted out laughing when the lady started crying. i think i got a keeper!
Frog48
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I put "trailer trash" in quotations, not because thats how I see him, but because thats how anti's (and various other elitists) likely viewed him.
That would have been awesome.
Gunnerpalace
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Boy, 2 big victory's in the gun world and all you can do is complain, be happy we won another one. 
Uh, a HK G36 probably was a post-86 dealer sample.
Uh, a HK G36 probably was a post-86 dealer sample.
Jiggle
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I liked the fact that the man who defended his family from the murderer didn't kill the bad guy. It probably showed her that just because you own a gun for self-defense does not mean you're out to kill somebody. A gun can be used for self defense and still not injure, much less kill, another person.
texas bulldog
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good point. that bugged me a bit too. at the same time, it did seem like the kid could benefit from someone fostering some more interests in him besides guns and x-box. maybe she should've taken him somewhere to meet girls.
anyway...this is one college grad that is very pro-gun.
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We will be fighting anti-gunners for as long as humanity exists. But, I saw a small victory.
That opening session with her family and friends in Massachusetts felt so familiar. I've been a university professor and exposed to that way of thinking.
Some aspects of human nature will keep the debate alive.
1) People who identify with 'prey' genuinely feel better if everyone is in a cage. They don't mind the cage and having predators confined works quite nicely for them. Disarming everyone, surveillance of all, makes perfect sense to them.
2) There will always be people who want to arrogantly use their ignorance as a basis for public policy. "If I don't know about it, it doesn't happen."
If you've never seen cultures fighting over a small piece of land since Christ was born, you will know how to have world peace. People with well stocked grocery stores down the street have solutions for world hunger.
It's the equivalent of Marie Antoinette saying "Let them eat cake."
3) Intellectual cowardice or dishonesty. It feels good to have all the answers. For some that feels better than facing issues that contradict their position and prestige.
As a university professor, I would have hated to say "I don't know." Or at a party of wine sipping intellectuals, it feels good to join the self aggrandizing horde. Far better than being shunned for bringing the group down with real world nastiness.
Imagine how the world would treat a politician who says "I don't know" or who says a problem will always be with us because of the nature of man. Much better to "know" all.
That opening session with her family and friends in Massachusetts felt so familiar. I've been a university professor and exposed to that way of thinking.
Some aspects of human nature will keep the debate alive.
1) People who identify with 'prey' genuinely feel better if everyone is in a cage. They don't mind the cage and having predators confined works quite nicely for them. Disarming everyone, surveillance of all, makes perfect sense to them.
2) There will always be people who want to arrogantly use their ignorance as a basis for public policy. "If I don't know about it, it doesn't happen."
If you've never seen cultures fighting over a small piece of land since Christ was born, you will know how to have world peace. People with well stocked grocery stores down the street have solutions for world hunger.
It's the equivalent of Marie Antoinette saying "Let them eat cake."
3) Intellectual cowardice or dishonesty. It feels good to have all the answers. For some that feels better than facing issues that contradict their position and prestige.
As a university professor, I would have hated to say "I don't know." Or at a party of wine sipping intellectuals, it feels good to join the self aggrandizing horde. Far better than being shunned for bringing the group down with real world nastiness.
Imagine how the world would treat a politician who says "I don't know" or who says a problem will always be with us because of the nature of man. Much better to "know" all.
j-easy
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Utah isn't stupid, hmm... how can we attract out of state students??? oh i know a REAL "SAFE ZONE" as opposed to the shooting gallery's that the rest of us call college campuses. if i was going to school out of state i would seriously consider Utah's schools.
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