30 days on FX Gun nation

[justin 561]

I would just like to know why on G*d's green earth they would start her off with a 12g shotgun and not a .22lr???

I thought the same exact thing when I seen that part. With the 2-3 AR's in the house, couldn't he have put those low recoil weapons in her hand to fire, and then work up to the 12 GA

I also loved the part at the gun show where she tried to ask some guy what he thinks about private sales with no back round check. His response was EPIC. "I just sold a handgun earlier." She looked pretty shocked, she told him "how could you sell it like that, most of these guns get used in crimes."

 

[texas bulldog]

excellent post, harrygunner.

 

[nwilliams]

I thought the guy was very well-spoken. He didn't hit every point I wanted to see hit (or more accurately it didn't make the final edit); but he was calm, informative and respectful.

I couldn't agree more.

I thought the show was very good and enjoyed the fact that they put gun ownership in a positive light. The antis came off as downright idiotic while the pro gun people seemed like the only ones with any common sense. I would say that the show was certainly more pro gun than anti gun.

 

[Taptaps]

I am not involved in the gun culture like these people (city boy, for the most part), but I was glad they didn't act like some rednecks. that was absolutely a great show, though. I need it on a file so i can show it to those anti's with their emotional knee jerk responses.

So many people I know are like that and I can tell that some of them are intimidated because they know they are less knowledgable and on some level I think they have a desire (whether they realize it, or not) to have a gun, but feel that they have taken a side against guns because it is a more comfortable and easy bandwagon to be on. Especially outside the midwest in towns like my homebase of Seattle.

It really isn't that hard to get these types into the sport and understanding our point of view. The person on the show is a whole 'nother type. This sort is emotionally charged which creates a huge barrier to listening to other points of view. They use demeaning arguments: "why are you so paranoid?" "do you think this makes you tough?" and so on. They're mind is closed and it takes a lot to open it.

This show gave one person the opportunity to see the other side by immersing her in an environment where reasonable and kind owned and operated firearms in a responsible manner. The most important interaction was the one with the man who protected his family, who would have surely been killed to the last person, with a gun. No debate, just reality. You could really see the light come on.

All in all, I was impressed with everyone involved in the show. Probably shouldnt have had her shoot the shotgun for her first try. I give most girls a .22 or a 9mm if they want to come with me. They can move up at their own pace.

 

[CNYCacher]

I am actually uncomfortable being in a house with so many guns. I've seen the one's that are locked, I know that Ken has on on his person. . .Zach has a couple in his bedroom, and I, I don't feel safe.

Ironically, if you pause it exactly when she says "person", you get this:

Ken's looking a little lopsided about the waist!


Edit: Just got done watching it. This show was a real gem. Time to get some sleep.

 

[HIcarry]

Overall a pretty good show. Like many, I thought the guy could have been a little more articulate, but he still did pretty good.
I would have liked to see some points she made early in the show clarified a little better. Such as when she said only police and the military should have guns because they were the ones to "protect us" the show should have made it clear that the police have no legal duty to do so. Also, when she met with the guy who "shot it out" with the home invader/stalker - I wish they would have made a better effort to state how often these types of self defense situations occur.
I don't think she will be a "convert" but at least she was able to see past some of the lies and sterotypes about "gun nuts."
One point I haven't seen mentioned about her, and one of the reasons I don't think she'll be a convert...she mentioned that her therapist (the one that got shot) was also her "friend." Seems to me that she is having a little bit of transferrence there....it is highly unlikely that the therapist was actually a friend. Her emotional out burst, the fact she was seeing a "therapist" and that she felt the therapist was her friend all seem to indicate an underlying psychological problem...

 

[Armueller2001]

Well the episode turned out pretty well. After she spoke to a guy who had defended his family, her views totally changed. She came around as I hoped she would, and recognized a legitimate use of firearms for hunting, self defense, and target shooting... which was much improved from the views that only the police and military should have guns.

Not to mention, she was kind of hot in a MILF way

 

[Bruce333]

Ken's looking a little lopsided about the waist!

When squatting down opening/closing the rifle case on the floor it was all but showing.

 

[Molon Labe]

I was in it.

I was the balding guy shooting the Serbu .50 BMG in the prone position. She called it a "machine gun." LOL.

(At that's what I've heard. I didn't see the show yesterday. Hopefully someone recorded it for me.)

 

[.cheese.]

awwwwww.... I missed it.

 

[Cacique500]

I missed most of it - but it looks like it'll be on again Friday night.

 

[Blackbeard]

I have to give a thumbs up to Spurlock on this one. It could have been a one-sided hit piece on gun owners, but it wasn't. He presented the genuine concerns of both sides fairly, without any cheap shots. It would have been very easy to include a shot of Nazi paraphenalia at the gun show for the shock value, but he didn't. In the end, as usual, both sides give a little, but the anti ended up giving more than the guy did. She went from "only polilce and military" to "citizens need for self defense". That is huge, in my opinion.

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

I was in it.

I was the balding guy shooting the Serbu .50 BMG in the prone position. She called it a "machine gun." LOL.

(At that's what I've heard. I didn't see the show yesterday. Hopefully someone recorded it for me.)

Ha, that's awesome. My bro and I laughed when she said machine gun too.


I'm big into guns, but not like u guys.

 

[buck00]

I thought the show was very good and enjoyed the fact that they put gun ownership in a positive light. The antis came off as downright idiotic while the pro gun people seemed like the only ones with any common sense. I would say that the show was certainly more pro gun than anti gun.

Prior to the show, a lot of people expected anything on TV to be anti-gun and pro-liberal. Overall, the show really isn't about pro and anti, but rather about opening people's minds up.

You have remember, a few weeks back they had a show where a hunter had to live with anti-meat, anti-hunting liberals for 30 days. While some would watch the show and gasp, oh this is so anti-hunting, it was more about exposing the guy to new perspectives.

What is great is this woman starting out with emotional and irrational anti-2nd amendment views... and many of them were successfully challenged and/or defeated by the show's end.

 

[35Rem]

Decent show. I think it was mostly fair.
I didn't like the part detailing how criminals got guns (animated part near the end) that said over 50% get their guns from unscrupulous gun dealers.

My feeling is that she will go back to mASSachussetts and fall right back into the Anti mindset.

She did grow a little, and actually was proud of her shooting skills, even though she wouldn't admit it was fun. Would you not be proud of something if it wasn't fun?

 

[CountGlockula]

I've heard "Machine Guns" too many times. I guess I'm being too critical.

Good show with balanced views. As for the gunny, I liked it at the end when they said their goodbyes and the son walks back to his house with no shoes.

 

[HeavyDuty]

I am suprised that they did not go hunting and make her kill something then clean it and eat it.

That would have been "Wife Swap".

 

[nwilliams]

My feeling is that she will go back to mASSachussetts and fall right back into the Anti mindset.

I was wondering the same thing after the show was over. My feeling is that her mind wasn't totally changed by the experience, I don't believe she was completely pro-gun after her 30 days but I think she was completely anti anymore either. To me that's what is important, she at least became more open minded and saw less evil in guns and more positive aspects, I hope any antis who watched the show got that same thing out of it.

The end was great. I love how when she was skeet shooting the first time she shot the gun and then she broke down and cried. However by the end of the show she was skeet shooting with a smile on her face and having a good time at the range, that kind of progress was wonderful to see.

I don't expect that she will ever become a gun owner or stop fighting for stronger gun control but at least now she understands that guns are not just killing machines and that not all gun owners are criminals.

 

[CountGlockula]

I really like the purpose/goal of the show. While Pia teared up at her first time shooting, in the end she ended up being a great shooter and having fun with her Glock.

Too many of us are REALLY quick to judge others. An "us versus them", which is fact. But we can just hope that people like Pia can wear our shoes for 30 days and come up with their own realization.

I'm waiting for the call to be invited to an Anti-gunner's home.

 

[Rugerlvr]

I'm waiting for the call to be invited to an Anti-gunner's home.

What would you do there, under the converse rules Pia had to live by? Would you have to Not shoot guns (Ok, no biggie.) Work for the Brady Bunch? Walk through bad neighborhoods unarmed so you can see what a victim feels like?

It would be boring, bad tv.

 

[blackcash88]

Finally got around to watching it on the DVR. It was entertaining overall and Pia was a lot more attractive than the 'net pictures made her out to be. I found her quite cute and she looked "energetic". Then she started talking.

She did have a major change in her mindset, but I got the feeling that she still thinks guns are "bad". She only admitted to how she could understand in LIMITED cases that "normal" people can use/enjoy guns. You don't go from "every time I hear a gun shot, I think of someone being killed" to Ted Nugent in 30 days. Her wussy crying aside, they should have started her off with something a little more tame than a shotgun for her first time.

I also didn't like how they showed the kid wearing a Knob Creek machine gun shoot T-shirt and one with the smiley and a bloody bullet hole in its head. The kid was WAAAAY too gun centric and it showed when she took him to the college and all he wanted to do was go clean his rifle.

And, then there's the dad. Fairly well spoken and he didn't "act" like a redneck, but...yup. He had to live in manufactured/mobile housing, be heavily tattooed, sportin' a goatee, and, of course, wear sleeveless shirts.

And, I guess the Stanton shooting thing was real after all. Never heard about it before. They should have taken her to interview Dr. Petit in Cheshire, CT who had his wife and two daughters raped and killed, him beaten to within an inch of his life, and his house burned down because they did NOT have firearm.

 

[XDKingslayer]

It would have reflected better upon gun owners if they would have chosen a more articulate family from an upper-middle class neighborhood. Tonight's show just perpetuated the stereotype of gun owners as "dumb trailer trash". And you know that is exactly how anti's view us, whether its true or not.

No, this show was PERFECT.

It showed the stereotypical supporter from each end. The trailer trash gun owner and the emotion-driven, irrational anti-gun nut.

Plus it say a lot when the trailer trash converts the anti nut in the end.

Read between the lines and you'll see a different story.

 

[BAT1]

Ha ha.That's funny. She was doped with vaccines, and sent to public schools. That explains it totally. Our coward nation, how Pathetic

 

[justin 561]

The trailer trash gun owner

That's a bit excessive don't you think? I didn't feel he was "trailer trash" at all.

 

[RuffRidr]

If you do a Google search for "Pia Lalli", the first hit that comes up is her Hip Hop Fun Shop dance studio. From the contact page, you can find an email for her. I just shot her an email thanking her for having an open mind and appearing on the show.

--RuffRidr