30 days on FX Gun nation

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Good show. My favorite part was when she is carrying the BB gun in the restaurant:
"does it make you uncomfortable that I have this?"
"Not really. What, have you never carried one before?"

The pro-gun guy on the show has amazing patience. I couldn't do it, argue with such a hard headed anti for 30 days straight (and win them over too!).

Hopefully what she learned and what she's feeling at the end of the show sticks with her, and she doesn't revert back to her old attitude once she returns back to Massachusetts and all her anti-gun friends and family. Speaking of her anti-gun family, how about her father? "I was a Marine sharpshooter and I've fired every automatic weapon there is, nobody should have those". Idiot.
 
glad she saw a little more than her own perspective, but her friends' pretentious projection of the typical was unbelievably annoying.
That was a good watch though.
 
"Every automatic weapon there is"

Lucky guy. I bet it's interesting to fire an M1895 "potato digger", or perhaps a Schwarzlose.
 
It was an enjoyable episode. Luckily they picked someone who, despite her emotions, could see the logical side of owning guns. With some antis, their emotions completely override all logic whatsoever.
 
After that I watched the 30 days in a wheelchair episode and there is a part where all the disabled guys go shooting.
 
Pia - "I'm just worried that I'm going to get into an argument with someone who doesn't have their facts straight".

From a person who has such deep seated trauma she could hardly even approach logic.

To be truthful I feel pretty bad for her.
 
Pia - "I'm just worried that I'm going to get into an argument with someone who doesn't have their facts straight".
I laughed at that. It's the same argument we use against anti-gun folks. The only problem is we try to use unbiased facts, numbers, and statistics. They often use emotion, straw man arguments, 20 year old debunked falsified reports, and pleas for "the children"
 
it was a good show. i don't think it changed her mind all that much but at least she saw another point of view. i think they should have started her off with something other than a 12ga O/U for her first shooting experience. that was kind of dumb.

Bobby
 
Good for her.

No matter HOW she feels, I respect her for doing what she did. That takes brass, and I will give her credit and respect for that.


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What was the story behind the see thru shirt??? (they blur the front of the shirt when she firsts meets the pro gun guy) weird...
 
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It was mostly staged. Check out the link below to a radio interview she did AFTER the show was filmed, but before it aired. She hadn't changed much at all and actually talked pretty badly about the pro-gun guy and his son. Pretty much called them trailer trash. Interview is about half way down.

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I just found a link where Pia was interviewed at a radio station the day before the show aired on FX. I don't think she has changed her opinion about guns as much as it might have appeared on the show. The interview lasts about 9 minutes.
When you hit the link below, scroll down to the eighth interview listed and hit the "listen" link under "Pia Lalli."
http://kiss953fm.com/pages/Matty.html?page=2
 
They took Pia hunting?

Who would believe...

from Buckeye Firearms:

Hunting with Pia: BFA's Larry Moore takes FX's '30-Days' afield

By Larry S. Moore

Pia Lalli, a staunch opponent of gun ownership for anyone outside of law enforcement or the military, will live with hunter and gun collector Ken Ekermeyer and his son in Leesburg, Ohio, on ’30 Days.’

The FX reality show '30-Days' recently aired a segment entitled “Gun Nation”. The show was filmed in Ohio. It featured a Pia Lalli, a Brockton, MA gun control activist and Ken Ekermeyer, of Leesburg in rural Highland County, who is a gun enthusiast. In addition to the gun activities of shooting and working in a gun store, Lalli went hunting while in Ohio. I was contacted by the producer and agreed to take her hunting. My daughter, Tiffany Atley, and I took her squirrel hunting just after Labor Day 2007.

In case the reader did not see the show, Lalli had a friend, who also happened to be her therapist, killed by a deranged man with a gun. After that she became a gun control advocate. She also embraces a vegetarian lifestyle and is anti-hunting as well. I don’t care who wants to be a vegetarian so long as they don’t attempt to take my freedom of choice to hunt. Lalli might be described as the stereotypical east coast liberal with a sense that the government should take care of the citizens. She has consistently voted for Ted Kennedy. On the other hand, I might be described as a conservative with the ideals that the government should stay out of my life. The words ‘gun nut’ and ‘hunting freak’ have been used by some to describe me. Fair enough. She is a hip-hop dance instructor. I am country or bluegrass music and definitely cannot dance. So the stage was set for one unique day in the woods.

It was not difficult to find a good squirrel woods where the owner would permit the crew to film. It was a lot more difficult to explain to the producer, and Lalli, when I suggested we meet at the farm at 5:30 that I meant ante meridian, as in the morning. Time must have different meanings on the east and west coasts. The farmer had graciously helped by bush hogging some paths through the woods. I find it rather interesting that one must mow before taking city folks into the woods. It did make it easy. I had scouted these woods just before Labor Day and photographed both squirrel and deer there.

Lalli immediately explained the only reason she was going hunting was it is in her contract. She really didn’t want to be hunting. The thought of killing for food scared her more than shooting a gun for the first time. She cried after that experience. Thankfully, my daughter provided an icebreaker. Since Lalli enjoys activities with her father she could relate that my daughter and I share the outdoors, even if it involves hunting. However she couldn’t understand how my daughter can work at a veterinarian clinic and then go hunting.

Logistically, it was difficult to get a group of ten people into the woods and ready to hunt. The first difficulty was getting people moving into the woods. The cameraman wanted to continue to shoot panoramic shots of the woods, fields and sunrise. Apparently sunrises over soybean fields and woods are not something the crew takes time to enjoy in the city. The drought conditions made every move a crunching crescendo of noise. While we enjoy the quiet seclusion of hunting, others seemed to think this was some spectator sporting event. Perhaps bleachers should have been erected in addition to the mowing.

Lalli almost immediately developed a nasty dry hacking cough. I have yet to decide if this was purely a case of nerves or if it was intentional to keep the animals out of range. Lalli noted that she wanted to see deer. Today I could only show her tracks and scat. The cameraman repeated numerous times that he had been on location filming with Ted Nugent. I wonder if Nugent allowed him to talk so much? Needless to say, to Lalli's relief, no animals were killed this day.

We did not load the Remington 1100 shotgun that I provided for her. I was aware of Ekermeyer’s training and her shooting at various ranges. It wasn’t long before I was really relieved her gun was not loaded. Gun handling in the woods with people in various locations is significantly harder than the controlled situations on the range. Clearly her previous shooting experiences had been controlled for her.

Lalli has a very limited understanding of nature. Her information seems to come from squirrels and pigeons in city parks along with a generous dose of “Bambi". She used phrases like “Daddy Squirrel” and “Mommy Squirrel” to ask questions about what happens to the squirrel family if we kill one. My daughter attempted to explain that she is using human terms and perspective to describe the natural world. It doesn’t work like that. We may know it doesn’t work like that but in Lalli’s mind – it works like that. I finally explained that “Daddy Squirrel” came in last spring when the girls were in heat, knocked up “Mommy Squirrel” and bailed out. “Daddy Squirrel” will not be around until next spring when the girls are in heat again and he wants more sex. (Any correlation to certain urban areas or perhaps bar activity is purely coincidental but it does appear some humans do act more like animals.) Lalli immediately made a face and exclaimed, “Ewwww, incest! My friend who raises dogs said animals don’t do that.” Attempting to keep a straight face, I explained that her friend lied to her.

Lalli deals with hunting and gun control, and probably her entire life, on an emotional level. I was actually surprised she didn’t come on with a bunch of anti-hunting “facts” from PETA like she tried with the Brady “facts” on gun control. I suspect that after '30-Days' and meeting with informed gun owners, she was starting to understand that her “facts” were not holding up very well. No doubt her comfort level will return when she is back home among other equally uninformed companions.

She has no idea where her food comes from, how it is grown or gets to the store. She eats a lot of soy products for protein. She noted the farm has a lot of soybeans and asked how they get harvested. She had never seen a combine. The farm has about 600 acres but someone with a ten-foot backyard and a concrete block wall doesn't understand an acre let alone 600 acres.

She is a fun loving full of energy and life person. I believe she left with a new appreciation of the ability to kill the food we eat, even though it is something she cannot do. At the end of our hunt she noted that hunting has re-enforced her vegetarian beliefs. While she occasionally ate fish or chicken, she now feels that if she can’t kill it then she shouldn’t expect someone else to do it for her. If more people thought about that, there might well be more vegetarians. I mentioned how this is contradictory to the fact that she expects someone else, the police, to take care of her security for her. She only responded that was different. No, it isn’t different but I let her have the out to avoid the debate.

After lunch in nearby New Vienna, where obtaining a vegetarian meal meant a cheese omelet for lunch, we bid her good-bye. The next morning a flight would return her to the concrete jungle of Brockton, near the housing projects where gunfire means gang activity. I can't imagine living there. The experience of this day firmly convinced me that there is a deep cultural divide in our country. Look at the red and blue spots on the political maps. It doesn’t just mean Democrats or Republicans. It also indicates which areas have a connection to nature and the land and which do not.

Each time I go hunting I wonder if Lalli is still safe in her environment and thank the good Lord that I am in mine.

Outdoor writer and hunter education instructor Larry S. Moore is a long-time volunteer leader for Buckeye Firearms Association and winner of the 2005 USSA Patriot Award and 2007 League of Ohio Sportsmen/Ohio Wildlife Federation Hunter Educator of the Year.
 
there is already a pretty long thread about this episode:

I don't think it qualifies as a duplicate since it includes a link to the actual video. (I didn't see one in the other thread.)
 
I think Mr. Ekermeyer is a great ambassador for the viewing public to see talking about guns.

btw, did anybody else notice how her thumb was behind the slide on the semi-auto she was shooting on day 22?!?! Ouch!
 
Just saw the episode. Great!

I must applaud the method of moderation. Instead of the so common "gun crazed fruitloop" / "liberal pinko commie freedom hater" exchange of argument, two people of opposite schools of thought actually talk to each other. Entrenchment may make you feel good, but helps neither side.

Whenever you run into zealous gun prohibitionists or discuss the matter with aquaintances, kindly ask them:

1. Why the fear of guns / armed people?
2. Can people not be just as reasonable with a gun than without?
3. Do you consider consider me as a threat to your safety? Make them apply their dogma to a real person in their presence.

It makes little sense to argue with the hardcore anti-crowd who are convinced you are a walking genocide waiting to happen. This is rather rare however.
See where it goes. Listen to them. It is vital to establish a mode of communication that is free of subconcious hostility. Otherwise, everything you may say immediatly goes into the mental trashcan. Think of it as a sales pitch.

When the shields are down, this is your opportunity to tell your side of the story. Why you own a gun, how you see responsible firearm holders, how much fun marksmansship can be. Your goal here is to plant a seed of doubt into the simple faith of your adversary. Avoid talking too much about self defense or macho BS. Also save the politics and statistics for later. If you bother to make a further efforts, treat your new friend to some range time (with your guns). Some people may be anti-gun, but also curious. Exploit it.
I admit that this is hardly a safe way to convert the heathens, but the best way I found so far.
 
Thanks for the Hulu link - I missed the airing, and wondered when I might be able to catch this one.
 
We watched the video.
Pretty cool that the woman actually came around to the extent she did. I figured she would keep holding onto the anti gun rhetoric till the end, but she actually manages to begin to understand the facts a bit better.
 
My thoughts after watching the whole thing.

1. That boy needs to get out more. He has a dad that loves him, but really. Maybe some flag football or something.

2. Start with a .22

3. I would complain about the guy they picked as being way too stereotypical, but then again it is TV and I understand the way TV works.

4. Overall it was very balanced quite equally. We may not like to admit that guns are used in violence, but they are. Not that gun control would change it, but we can't pretend that all gunshots are good. We can fix a lot of these problem by self policing our own community (YOU HEAR ME ARFCOMers?!!:cuss:) and educating others.
 
R.O.F.L. at her monitoring the gunboards for any mention.




You KNOW this supersize guy pumps out some effective propaganda when he's convinced the opposing side that it was well balanced and fairly done. Not all of it was hit you over the head blatant (I.E. the cartoons), but the most powerful parts are more subtle. Having set up the meeting in the park by having him walking over to the moms-had-a-loved-one-killed coalition, then having to debate gun control with them immediately after listeing to their stories. No matter who you are, or what you have to say, you are not going to sound good in that context ("I'm so sorry for your loss, BUT...")! Then juxtaposing the kid playing video games (and the psychology of "so what's the goal of the game hmmm?" -gasp- killing people?!) with takes of him handling guns.
 
they should have filmed it in phoenix. we have guns, lots of them. and its a BIG city. would have showed the nation that you dont just find gun lovers inthe rural south.
 
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