shoobe01
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Yup, used them. With scopes, RDS, night vision. Have one or two of the adapters to pic rail mount to carry handle in an Akro bin around here somewhere I am sure.
And I stand by my statement.
308 semi auto AR10 or M1a
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Yup, used them. With scopes, RDS, night vision. Have one or two of the adapters to pic rail mount to carry handle in an Akro bin around here somewhere I am sure.
And I stand by my statement.
Ignition Override
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Character: M1A.
All of my guns (present and former) are here because all have character. None of my guns were chosen to conform to fashion or any type of 'modularity'.
Life can be far too short, so it's all about appeal and the most basic fun.
All of my guns (present and former) are here because all have character. None of my guns were chosen to conform to fashion or any type of 'modularity'.
Life can be far too short, so it's all about appeal and the most basic fun.
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mustanger98
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Yup, used them. With scopes, RDS, night vision. Have one or two of the adapters to pic rail mount to carry handle in an Akro bin around here somewhere I am sure.
And I stand by my statement.
Well, how'd it go?
Wonder who all else here has used those set-ups.
shoobe01
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Bad. It's VERY high. Even with the good cheek riser it's just very tall. Night vision is an inch or three higher than that, close to unusable IME. SLOW as it's clunky, everything moves around, you don't have good contact, and what you have is unnatural, so very odd head position, gets tiring after a bit, and jeesh, prone? Only if you like feeling like a prairie dog scout.
The gooseneck that hovers the RDS over the handguard (better, the Elbit Falcon setup, bolted to the barrel and goes through the vent holes!) worked well, as long as you aren't one who is confused by cowitnessing, so can just ignore the irons and use the dot alone. The Aimpoint-provided gooseneck sometimes doesn't hold zero well, so that's not great. And a friend way back when had the... I forget what it's called, but you sent the upper off, a guy cut the carry handle off and glued (!) a Weaver (not Picatinny!) rail on top of the receiver. Rear sight stayed in place. Clamp an Aimpoint Comp to the rail. Solid, slick cowitness.
Since I could get scopes low mounted on the FAL and AR-18, it's once reason I didn't own an AR-15 myself, at all, until the mid-2000s when flat tops became so common and everyone figured out you could free-float them (the AR-15 /evolved/ to be this flexible. It wasn't born that way). THEN they all became much more viable.
So back more or less on topic: Except for some odd and more expensive guns, if I wanted to hit things reliably, I'd do an AR-10/SR-25/etc because it is easy to get floated (or monolithic) and flat topped. Dress as needed for the occasion then.
The gooseneck that hovers the RDS over the handguard (better, the Elbit Falcon setup, bolted to the barrel and goes through the vent holes!) worked well, as long as you aren't one who is confused by cowitnessing, so can just ignore the irons and use the dot alone. The Aimpoint-provided gooseneck sometimes doesn't hold zero well, so that's not great. And a friend way back when had the... I forget what it's called, but you sent the upper off, a guy cut the carry handle off and glued (!) a Weaver (not Picatinny!) rail on top of the receiver. Rear sight stayed in place. Clamp an Aimpoint Comp to the rail. Solid, slick cowitness.
Since I could get scopes low mounted on the FAL and AR-18, it's once reason I didn't own an AR-15 myself, at all, until the mid-2000s when flat tops became so common and everyone figured out you could free-float them (the AR-15 /evolved/ to be this flexible. It wasn't born that way). THEN they all became much more viable.
So back more or less on topic: Except for some odd and more expensive guns, if I wanted to hit things reliably, I'd do an AR-10/SR-25/etc because it is easy to get floated (or monolithic) and flat topped. Dress as needed for the occasion then.
js8588
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FYI the Armalite A2 AR10 was discontinued.
Dang it , maybe they have a flat top version
Lizard1911
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Having recently built my first AR-10, I understand one reason for not hunting with it. Are there other reasons, besides it's M-60 like weight profile?
Hopefully mine is the exception, not the rule.
Gordon
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This an AERO "high" receiver build notice with a GG&G Detachable 30mm mount is just about right , maybe a touch too low but forces a great cheek weld . With a handle mount you would have no cheek weld unless you put a strap on riser on an A2 stock . Same with any scope on an M14 , you must have a riser with any optic . A flat top is the way to go allways. The gooseneck out the front Swan Mount GG&G was not too bad on an A1 or A2 carry handle with an Aimpoint M2 ., no cheek riser was needed . I Imagine that same mount would work on an AR10 , but you are limited to an Aimpoint 30mm no mount tube type 1x Red Dot .
riser on an A2 stock . Same with any scope on an M14 , you must have a riser with any optic . A flat top is the way to go allways. The gooseneck out the front Swan Mount GG&G was not too bad on an A1 or A2 carry handle with an Aimpoint M2 ., no cheek riser was needed . I Imagine that same mount would work on an AR10 , but you are limited to an Aimpoint 30mm no mount tube type 1x Red Dot .
M1A uses M1A mags. That's it.
Can't speak to the maintenance, never ran either long enough for them to need maintenance, just general cleaning. AR being an AR it's easy to filed strip. M1A isn't bad. Other than that, keep them lubed and they should both run just fine for the average bench or range shooter.
Can't speak to the maintenance, never ran either long enough for them to need maintenance, just general cleaning. AR being an AR it's easy to filed strip. M1A isn't bad. Other than that, keep them lubed and they should both run just fine for the average bench or range shooter.
Reloadron
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My sights on the rifle as pictured are Centra Sights I think I bought maybe from Shooters Choice. Long time ago.
The rifle is an Armalite AR10T with the aluminum floated for-end tube and a 26" Kreiger barrel. The rifle dates back maybe 25 years, Still have the original 18" stainless barrel. I also did put a scope on it briefly but just to see how well the rifle would do.
Then the original carry handle and sighrs.
Never did scope the M1A which is an old SA mostly GI parts with a NM barrel and sights. I was going to bed it but it shoots well enough so left it alone. My M1A was a gift from my wife maybe 30 years ago so it preceded the AR10T.Ron
Charlie98
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As was mentioned, an M1a uses M1a mags, because of the lockup. There have been very few poly M1a mags, and only 1 generally successful one... but I don't really know anyone that uses anything besides USGI or CMI (current USGI) mags.
The M1a has a few particular maintenance issues, generally related to the gas system and gas piston, and there are a few specific lube points... like the bolt roller. Nothing out of the ordinary, but specific to the M1a.
Most of you guys are talking about scoping the M1a, I look at that like I do anything else... I don't. The Garand, the M1a, the AR have or can be fitted with excellent peep sights.... unless you just have to have optics. None of my AR's have any sort of glass on them. There is nothing wrong with using the M1a 'as issued,' as pure and simple as it was designed.
GBExpat
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The fact that JCG was a Canadian for the first 32 years of his life might muddy that, a bit.So, if we can't pm somebody and tell 'em it's a character flaw, do we post how Un-American it is out here?
My sights on the rifle as pictured are Centra Sights I think I bought maybe from Shooters Choice. Long time ago.
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The rifle is an Armalite AR10T with the aluminum floated for-end tube and a 26" Kreiger barrel. The rifle dates back maybe 25 years, Still have the original 18" stainless barrel. I also did put a scope on it briefly but just to see how well the rifle would do.
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Then the original carry handle and sighrs.
Ron
The Centra sight looks nice, but I couldn't get myself to ignore my old Anschutz sights. I'm probably too old for high power competition at 72, but it is fun to play with.
GBExpat
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I have setup one of my "M14"s with a Bassett Machine scope mount (Standard Low Scope Mount Package).
Easy on, easy off and, IME, holds zero very well.
Easy on, easy off and, IME, holds zero very well.
Trey Veston
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According to Springfield Armory, their standard M1A, with wood stock weighs 9lbs 3 ozs. With a composite stock, it is 8lbs 8ozs.
https://www.springfield-armory.com/...ard-issue-rifles/m1a-standard-issue-308-rifle
The average AR-10 weighs 8lbs 8 ozs.
So, they are essentially the same. FYI.
243winxb
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Safety? What rifle is more likely to blow up in your face? M1A vs AR10.
I have never owned one but I think they are a really nice powerful little package. I think it would work fine for hunting over feeders or 2A purposes. I don't think they offer the 200 meter accuracy of the longer gins or AR10's and have more muzzle flash. But I don't think they necessarily suffer from a lack of accuracy.
just thinking out loud but if I understand with the AR10 type parts and even mags can be different from rifle to rifle and there is no standard parts with AR10 type's like the AR15 share common parts and mags.
AR10's do not share many common parts ?
AR10's do not share many common parts ?
captain awesome
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I love my socom 16. Terrific rifle shoots like a dream, recoil is surprisingly light. Haven't ever bench rest tested it with a scope for groups, I just practice with it off hand and don't miss much...when I do its my fault and I know it. Mine has never skipped a beat.
In other news...if you can find one I am also quite fond of my Vepr 308...awesome semi auto rife. Another possible consideration.
In other news...if you can find one I am also quite fond of my Vepr 308...awesome semi auto rife. Another possible consideration.
captain awesome
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I also have a lr308 style rifle from Quentin Defence and and the AR10 style Ruger SR762 though it is a piston driven one. Both of those are very accurate and reliable. I really don't think you would go wrong with any of those choices
It depends on the platform. There are two major platforms and a bunch of others. The two major ones are DPMS and Aramalite. If you stay within the line on those two you are generally good to go. There are variations on both of those but by and large those are the two major platforms.
DPMS has Gen I and Gen II, but that really only effects the height of the top rail.
So as long as you use DPMS (I or II) or Aramalite parts and accessories on the corresponding platform you will be fine. It's really not that hard, especially if I can sort it out.
DPMS has Gen I and Gen II, but that really only effects the height of the top rail.
So as long as you use DPMS (I or II) or Aramalite parts and accessories on the corresponding platform you will be fine. It's really not that hard, especially if I can sort it out.
My buddy has one, I prefer my scout squad. The front sight on the Socom is big and hard for me to a get good sight picture and yeah it's loud. I did change out the sight base/flash hides for a Smith threaded one and installed a linear brake.
It's not all that bad mags are pretty interchangeable between them all.
There's just a couple different bolt/barrel extension designs DPMS and Armalite same with barrel nut threads and DPMS has made two different rail heights.
CaptHank
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Jo Jo… Here is my DPMS LR308, outfitted with an A2 stock, Leupold Tactical 3.5x10x40 scope and Geissele SSA-E trigger. It loves Hornady 178 GR. ELD-X's.
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