308 semi auto AR10 or M1a

[mustanger98]

Bad. It's VERY high. Even with the good cheek riser it's just very tall. Night vision is an inch or three higher than that, close to unusable IME. SLOW as it's clunky, everything moves around, you don't have good contact, and what you have is unnatural, so very odd head position, gets tiring after a bit, and jeesh, prone? Only if you like feeling like a prairie dog scout.

The gooseneck that hovers the RDS over the handguard (better, the Elbit Falcon setup, bolted to the barrel and goes through the vent holes!) worked well, as long as you aren't one who is confused by cowitnessing, so can just ignore the irons and use the dot alone. The Aimpoint-provided gooseneck sometimes doesn't hold zero well, so that's not great. And a friend way back when had the... I forget what it's called, but you sent the upper off, a guy cut the carry handle off and glued (!) a Weaver (not Picatinny!) rail on top of the receiver. Rear sight stayed in place. Clamp an Aimpoint Comp to the rail. Solid, slick cowitness.

Since I could get scopes low mounted on the FAL and AR-18, it's once reason I didn't own an AR-15 myself, at all, until the mid-2000s when flat tops became so common and everyone figured out you could free-float them (the AR-15 /evolved/ to be this flexible. It wasn't born that way). THEN they all became much more viable.

So back more or less on topic: Except for some odd and more expensive guns, if I wanted to hit things reliably, I'd do an AR-10/SR-25/etc because it is easy to get floated (or monolithic) and flat topped. Dress as needed for the occasion then.

Yup, that picture ain't pretty... A2 sound like "irons all day". To me, this is making flat-top uppers sound real good regardless of which AR we're discussing. (I wouldn't consider one that didn't have the A-frame A1 or A2 front sight. Options.) As easy as it is to pull two pins and swap uppers, who/what would be against having one upper with a scope and one as an A4?

 

[mustanger98]

Could you all tell me does the m1a types use acis mags ?
And how is the maintenance on an m1a compared to an AR 10 type
Thanks

What Robert said about M1A mags... they're basically the same thing as USGI M-14 mags. The one mag Springfield Inc ships with the rifle will be a 10rd. GI mags are 20rd.

 

[mustanger98]

The Centra sight looks nice, but I couldn't get myself to ignore my old Anschutz sights. I'm probably too old for high power competition at 72, but it is fun to play with.

Says who? Have fun with your old Anschutz sights. You might pique some kids' curiosity with that rig.

 

[mustanger98]

just thinking out loud but if I understand with the AR10 type parts and even mags can be different from rifle to rifle and there is no standard parts with AR10 type's like the AR15 share common parts and mags.
AR10's do not share many common parts ?

That was one of my concerns, but what I'm understanding, from this discussion, is the parts generally have to all be the same brand.

 

[Robert]

That was one of my concerns, but what I'm understanding, from this discussion, is the parts generally have to all be the same brand.

Not necessarily brand, but pattern.

 

[ClemY]

Jo Jo… Here is my DPMS LR308, outfitted with an A2 stock, Leupold Tactical 3.5x10x40 scope and Geissele SSA-E trigger. It loves Hornady 178 GR. ELD-X's.

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My .308 is the DPMS LR308. I thought the muzzle looked nude without a flash hider, so I had it threaded, and at the same time, had it fluted. It took 8 oz.. off the weight, but I did have to put on an adjustable gas block. It is super accurate.

 

[TonyAngel]

So, an M1A is ten times the rifle the AR-10 is, but the AR-10 does literally everything better than the M1A. Not sure I follow your logic. I own both and will add an M1A National Match soon, but the AR-10 is the better rifle in every metric.

Yep. If you read my posts, you wouldn't be asking the question. The M1A is the better rifle. I think the Mini 14 is a better rifle than the AR too. They are the American versions of the AK-47. Many people here own ARs and rifles with Garand type actions. How often do you see someone posting that their Mini or M1A won't run right? Never. You'll see questions about accuracy because everyone is so worried about their rifle being able to shoot sub MOA that they see right past the good qualities.

 

[marksman13]

Yep. If you read my posts, you wouldn't be asking the question. The M1A is the better rifle. I think the Mini 14 is a better rifle than the AR too. They are the American versions of the AK-47. Many people here own ARs and rifles with Garand type actions. How often do you see someone posting that their Mini or M1A won't run right? Never. You'll see questions about accuracy because everyone is so worried about their rifle being able to shoot sub MOA that they see right past the good qualities.

I read your posts. Your argument does not make sense. You say the M1A is ten times the rifle that the AR-10 is, but proceed to tell us how many things the AR does better than the M1A. The AR-10 is ten times the rifle that the M1A is. I watched multiple M21s fail in combat in 2005. Three of our five DMRs were nonserviceable by the time we finished our deployment. The biggest issue with that is M14s are harder to work on and replace parts on, plus parts are not as available.

I saw a grand total of one AR fail in Iraq and that rifle was mine. Safety selector broke off leaving me with a rifle stuck on safe. Replaced it when we got back to the FOB. I think it took five minutes. The M21s that went down stayed down. Yes, part of that issue was the supply chain. Yes, as a civilian you could find parts if your M1A broke, but your argument that I’ll “never” hear anybody talking about how their M1A won’t run just doesn’t work. I’ve watched it happen.

If the only thing that an AR did better was shooting smaller groups, your argument might hold water. When being more accurate is just one of many advantages for the AR, meh...your argument just doesn’t work. ARs are more accurate, more reliable, more adaptable, more modular, easier to build/repair and can be MUCH lighter and more maneuverable. The M1A based on your own statements is not ten times the rifle the AR-10 is. The M1A is an outdated, fragile, heavy, cumbersome rifle that was behind the times when it was first issued.

The Mini-14 has lagged behind the AR-15 for decades because it is a worse rifle as well for all the reasons already mentioned comparing AR-10s to M1As.

 

[TonyAngel]

I read your posts. Your argument does not make sense. You say the M1A is ten times the rifle that the AR-10 is, but proceed to tell us how many things the AR does better than the M1A. The AR-10 is ten times the rifle that the M1A is. I watched multiple M21s fail in combat in 2005. Three of our five DMRs were nonserviceable by the time we finished our deployment. The biggest issue with that is M14s are harder to work on and replace parts on, plus parts are not as available.

I saw a grand total of one AR fail in Iraq and that rifle was mine. Safety selector broke off leaving me with a rifle stuck on safe. Replaced it when we got back to the FOB. I think it took five minutes. The M21s that went down stayed down. Yes, part of that issue was the supply chain. Yes, as a civilian you could find parts if your M1A broke, but your argument that I’ll “never” hear anybody talking about how their M1A won’t run just doesn’t work. I’ve watched it happen.

If the only thing that an AR did better was shooting smaller groups, your argument might hold water. When being more accurate is just one of many advantages for the AR, meh...your argument just doesn’t work. ARs are more accurate, more reliable, more adaptable, more modular, easier to build/repair and can be MUCH lighter and more maneuverable. The M1A based on your own statements is not ten times the rifle the AR-10 is. The M1A is an outdated, fragile, heavy, cumbersome rifle that was behind the times when it was first issued.

The Mini-14 has lagged behind the AR-15 for decades because it is a worse rifle as well for all the reasons already mentioned comparing AR-10s to M1As.

Well, I suppose I'm wrong.

 

[js8588]

This might help

 

[mshootnit]

I read your posts. Your argument does not make sense. You say the M1A is ten times the rifle that the AR-10 is, but proceed to tell us how many things the AR does better than the M1A. The AR-10 is ten times the rifle that the M1A is. I watched multiple M21s fail in combat in 2005. Three of our five DMRs were nonserviceable by the time we finished our deployment. The biggest issue with that is M14s are harder to work on and replace parts on, plus parts are not as available.

I saw a grand total of one AR fail in Iraq and that rifle was mine. Safety selector broke off leaving me with a rifle stuck on safe. Replaced it when we got back to the FOB. I think it took five minutes. The M21s that went down stayed down. Yes, part of that issue was the supply chain. Yes, as a civilian you could find parts if your M1A broke, but your argument that I’ll “never” hear anybody talking about how their M1A won’t run just doesn’t work. I’ve watched it happen.

If the only thing that an AR did better was shooting smaller groups, your argument might hold water. When being more accurate is just one of many advantages for the AR, meh...your argument just doesn’t work. ARs are more accurate, more reliable, more adaptable, more modular, easier to build/repair and can be MUCH lighter and more maneuverable. The M1A based on your own statements is not ten times the rifle the AR-10 is. The M1A is an outdated, fragile, heavy, cumbersome rifle that was behind the times when it was first issued.

The Mini-14 has lagged behind the AR-15 for decades because it is a worse rifle as well for all the reasons already mentioned comparing AR-10s to M1As.

Well, yes an AR15 can be lighter than an M1A. And an AR10 can be as well if it is a lightweight design like the DPMS G2, LWRC, or the M&P10. There are other custom lightweight AR10's. I view the LMT to be truly a rugged reliable AR10 without equivocation. But that is definitely heavier than an M1A probably even scoped.
I do think an LMT scoped rifle is probably superior to a scoped M14, but I would not hesitate to take a USGI M14 with a sadlak mount and Leupold Mark 4 2.5-8x36 MR/T.
https://lmtdefense.com/firearms/lm308ssr

http://www.americancowboychronicles.com/2016/11/the-m14-dmr-emr-ebr.html?m=1

 

[Charlie98]

When I bought my Socom16, I actually went in to buy a Standard. I really wanted a Scout, but they were not in production and I couldn't find one... so I just figured I'd start with the basics. But I go in to the LGS and there was this Socom thing hanging on the wall below the Standard... and I went home with the Socom16. Fantastic rifle. I LOVE it. It's fast, it's fun, it's powerful, it's (sorta) loud. Like the M1 Garand, it's a very physical rifle to shoot, but there is a certain satisfaction to that, too. Someone mentioned the muzzle brake previously, it works as advertised... that is to say very well. With 110grn Hornady TAP ammo, it really is like shooting a .223, and with regular 150grn ball ammo it has nowhere near the recoil my Savage bolt gun has, even though it's heavier. Everyone who shoots it comes away grinning...

I also mentioned previously... I stripped the optic rail off mine, it is, essentially, a mini Standard. I changed the rear aperture to a standard, and I have a Scout FS assembly on the way (finally!) to replace the fat XS front. Besides the sights, the only mods I've done is shim the gas block (the easiest and cheapest accuracy mod you can make,) and replace the gas piston and guide rod. Rock solid. Mine came in a USGI fiberglass stock, it shoots best in it, but I also have a surplus walnut stock and a '60's era vented handguard when I want to kick it old school.

 

[JO JO]

well I finally decided and ordered this socom 16 it was on sale and Springfield has a gear up deal going on get 2 extra mags and a scope mount free with purchase of the rifle,
thanks for all the input

 

[mustanger98]

well I finally decided and ordered this socom 16 it was on sale and Springfield has a gear up deal going on get 2 extra mags and a scope mount free with purchase of the rifle,
thanks for all the input

Looks like you have plenty of good options with that one.

 

[js8588]

well I finally decided and ordered this socom 16 it was on sale and Springfield has a gear up deal going on get 2 extra mags and a scope mount free with purchase of the rifle,
thanks for all the input

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You went with your heart. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

 

[Gojo03]

Congrats, I love mine. Got the same deal a couple years ago with the gear up promotion. I still wanted the AR10 so I ended up with both. I put a red dot on the Socom a 4-12 on the AR.

 

[JO JO]

what mags did they give you 10 or 20 round ?

 

[Gojo03]

what mags did they give you 10 or 20 round ?

Rifle came with 1-10 rnd, the gear up included 2-20 rnd mags and the side saddle scope mount with the option to pay for one of 3 Vortex scopes at a good discount

 

[JO JO]

Sweet

 

[Nature Boy]

Congrats. You’ll like it