Of course there's a giant flaw in RII, there's no requirement for adequate penetration.This video is dated but the information remains valid today. It discusses the many flaws of the RII:
Deadly Effects: Wound Ballistics - What Bullets do to Bodies
See - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5AhcuLWIe3A
That's not necessarily the case. 45-70 300 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point by Buffalo Bore gets you a permanent wound cavity at 2,350 fps for a bit. Some hot hand loads will produce an even larger permanent wound cavity. There's 45-70 and then there's 45-70 +p+The point you are missing - is that the 5.56 NATO, along with the crush cavity, also has a sizable Permanent wound cavity, about the size of a grapefruit.
The 45-70 does not.
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Unfortunately Fackler was an physician and not a physicists.
The elasticity of tissue can most definitely be exceeded well under 2200 FPS.
If he was better versed he would have put the threshold in terms of kinetic energy as the direct comparison of how much kinetic energy is converted to elastic energy would directly affect the size of the expanded cavity and then determine if tearing would be likely to occur.
As to what is permanent and what is temporary you're trying to measure a line that doesn't really exist.
Man I tried but the history section at the start was rife with errors.Here is some reading for you as well, if you are interested.
Man I tried but the history section at the start was rife with errors.
"Effective Game Killing" is full of errors and myths.
Ive never seen someone take a 223/5.56 in the torso and be okay. No matter what bullet was used. Even the cheap 55 grain steel case stuff dumps people with authority. Now, when barriers get involved the performance obviously deteriorates a bit. How much depends on many variables such as what the barrier is, the bullet used, distance, the target behind, etc...
I did see one guy take a 55 grain hollow point through the forearm (shattered both bones) which then hit him in the chest. He ran about 5 yards before going down.
For hunting I would look at the heavier weight bonded bullets or the monolithic bullets. Those also work well for defensive use too.
Ive never hunted with a 357 lever gun but a good heavy bullet close to 2000 FPS is a pretty potent loading. However the trajectory will probably be pretty bad past about 100-150 yards.
"Effective Game Killing" is full of errors and myths.
"The hydrostatic shock created by a hunting bullet is identical in action to when a boxer is struck on the jaw by his opponent, disrupting the functions of the brain with a resulting loss of consciousness."
Nope. A knockout punch causes the skull to quickly move, which causes the brain to violently collide against hard cranial bone producing a concussion that results in loss of consciousness. For example:
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The paragraphs "Mechanisms" and "Fast Killing" present these gems:
"Effective Game Killing" makes for entertaining reading but it's chock full of misinformation.
- Kinetic energy transfer
- Electrical shock wave
- Hydrostatic shock
- Strasbourg tests
- Wound channels
- Shock waves traveling through flesh to distant nerve centers
- Hydraulic shock ("...the pressure of accelerated fluid particles that create the temporary wound channel.")
He's probably killed 100 times more game than every hunter you've ever met.
"When You Tell Somebody Somethin', It Depends On Which Part Of The United States You're Standing In As To Just How Dumb You Are."
Bandit from Smokey and the Bandit.
People don't seem to consider mass at all. Only energy, which is a big problem.The problem with the 5.56x45 which no one talks about is its serious lack of penetration potential with those small bullets. Yes, one can use heavier bullets, but even then there's a limit and when you gain penetration, you lose wound channel size. A .358" 158 gr. bullet has roughly the same sectional density as a .224" 60 gr. bullet, but in addition to its much larger frontal area and therefore larger wound track, said .358" bullet has over 2.5 TIMES the mass of the .224 bullet, which equates to more penetration.
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+1What are you all looking for. OK for short range guns. I've killed yard goats with both and wouldn't grab either if a deer rifle was close
There's no such thing as "hydrostatic shock" in wound ballistics.
He may have killed a lot of animals and studied the wounds, but, unfortunately, he's way out of his lane when trying to explain physiological effects of gunshot wounds, and the physics involved.
Nope he is not. If your opinion is based on the opinions of a man that never shot anything but targets and made up most of everything he wrote it's not worth anything.There's no such thing as "hydrostatic shock" in wound ballistics.
He may have killed a lot of animals and studied the wounds, but, unfortunately, he's way out of his lane when trying to explain physiological effects of gunshot wounds, and the physics involved.
At first I was bothered by gaps in history but the more I read the more I realized that He absolutely knew the subject very well. He explained a few things that I often wondered about. And yes. Some of his information is confirmed by actual professional researchers and ballistic experts. Not stuff he made up on his own because he and his buddies hated a military weapon.
Your not getting that velosity or bullet problems with a 158. If your using a smaller lighter bullet compare performance to a 40 grain varmint bullet in 223.Probably, I haven't used any on game, but I bought some with that in mind. Just need to be aware that most .357 components are designed to work in revolvers typically giving you 1400fps, but carbines can get you up 1900-2100fps. Bullets that expand reliably out of a 2" LCR, might hold up fine in a 16" 92, but they weren't designed to, and you may well experience jacket separation, fragmentation, and poor penetration.
Your ignorance is on display yet again.Nope he is not. If your opinion is based on the opinions of a man that never shot anything but targets and made up most of everything he wrote it's not worth anything.