38 special = defensive round?

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If you do much shooting from inside your car, avoid the .357. Even with all the windows rolled down and foam plugs in, your ears will be ringing for two days. And don't think you can just hold it out the window when you shoot. If you hit a big bump or drift too close to a parked car you could drop the gun or receive a serious hand injury. Go with the .38 Special. ;)
 
com'on guys

this is the good old U.S.A. let's leave the 9mm's to the europeans, i guess the US ARMY had enough of it, heard the're going to scrap it soon.

wan't a good home defense .38 special carry load 148gr LHBWC reversed seated to the case mouth 3.5 grs Bullseye. not a sniper load but very effective at 21 ft.
 
Just purchased a 642 for pocket carry, first thing I did was order up a couple of boxes of Speers new JHP-SB designed around the snubby. I don't have any doubts about its effectiveness and certainly prefer it over .380 or 9Mak which were the other options in the "pocket pistol" category for me.
 
"Does shooting the 158gr LSWCHP Remington +P's cause leading in the barrel, or make cleaning the gun any more difficult?"

I have had no leading problems whatever. I must admit, however, that I shoot just five rounds of that load per range session, after fifty standard pressure hardcast 158 gr SWCs. That is quite enough.
Cordially, Jack
 
When I choose not to carry a larger, heavier handgun off-duty ... which is a significant amount of the time ... I reach for one of my S&W J-frames.

I've got a nice Model 37 in which I'll only shoot (and carry) standard pressure ammunition, but I have some other models in which I can shoot +P and .357 Magnum. The .357 Magnum-rated J-frame only gets Magnum ammunition for occasional range training, being carried with one or another of my preferred +P loads.

I have confidence in my 5-shot guns, but then I've invested some considerable training & practice time in them over the years, and I used to carry an issued service revolver as a young cop.

Something to consider is that not everybody seems to be able to safely, accurately & effectively shoot a DA/DAO revolver nowadays, especially a small one. Lots of folks didn't start their handgun training with DA revolvers like often used to be the situation.

I wouldn't feel all that badly if I was limited to carrying a S&W Model 10/64 loaded with +P ammunition, even as a service weapon, let alone off-duty. I just prefer a smaller, easier to (lawfully) carry platform on my own time nowadays.

FWIW, I can think of a number of current & retired LE folks who have chosen one or another of the numerous and popular S&W J-frames as their personal defensive weapons. It's not exactly an uncommon choice to hear made by a firearms instructor when it comes to personal weapons ...

However, as mentioned previously, whether or not someone can safely, accurately & effectively shoot one ought to be carefully considered.

Some folks just seem to shoot semi auto pistols a bit 'better' ...
 
Thanks for the comments. I normally carry a Smith & Wesson model 638 Airweight loaded with Federal Nyclad .38 +P. there has been some discussion about the effectiveness of the 38 special. I very comfortable with my Airweight and do not feel the need for more fire power. These comments have solidified my thoughts.
 
A J frame .38 Special revolver loaded with 135gr Speer Gold Dot .38 Special +P SB ammo, 125gr DoubleTap .38 Special +P using a Gold Dot LV bullet or one of the FBI loads available on the market will do the job very well. If you have an older revolver that can't handle +P pressures Buffalo Bore has a few short barrel standard pressure rounds available that act like a +P round.

Years ago many predicted the demise of the .38 Special revolver as a SD weapon but they were wrong. The fact it's reliable and time tested along with improvements in .38 Special SD ammo the .38 Special is here to stay and for a long time I'm sure...
 
The .38 Spl +p has the potential to be a very good manstopper

IMHO, it is a better choice for pocket guns w/< 2" BBL than the .22, .25, .32 auto or .380, because it provides good caliber (.357) Bullet weight/SD (158/.177) and energy 324 Ft. Lbs ( compared to 225, 175, and 100, respectively) while still being easily controllable in rapid fire. In short, the .38 snub is very nicely balanced, ans ballistically superior to all other calibers employed for like jobs and history bears this out.

Shooter429
 
I killed a couple deer with .38 +p's fired from a Ruger Speed Six. Both of them dropped where they stood, twitched a couple times, and expired. These were pretty good sized deer, so I am confident that a good .38 special load would drop a human with a minimum of fuss.
 
both dad & I rely on S&W 642's with Winchester WWB Personal Defense 125 gr sjhp .38 spl +p; while living in Tennessee, I attended the CCW permit training course and our instructor was a local training officer for a local PD; his personal CCW that day was his S&W 36 that had a shroud conversion done to it; the snubby revolver is still a great choice, especially when I am in a grab & go situation...gun, pocket holster, 1 or 2 Bianchi speed strips and out the door :evil:

don't get me wrong, I am as magnum happy as the next guy, but lugging around a duty sized .357 revolver or a large framed .44 mag hunting sidearm just isn't practical most of the time...can they be concealed with the right setup & clothing? yes; is it going to comfortable & practical for the majority of us? no; which one would be more likely to be on my person? .38 snubby while the others are in the safe or stashed at home :scrutiny:
 
om'on guys

this is the good old U.S.A. let's leave the 9mm's to the europeans, i guess the US ARMY had enough of it, heard the're going to scrap it soon.

wan't a good home defense .38 special carry load 148gr LHBWC reversed seated to the case mouth 3.5 grs Bullseye. not a sniper load but very effective at 21 ft.

Sorry. Samuel L. Colt's first serious caliber revolver, the gun that started making men equal, was a .36 (which is what the 9mm, .357 Magnum and .38 Special are anyway). Of course, I am skipping over the .28 caliber version.

The "mid-bore" is as American as you can get. How American? John Moses Browning's first caliber for what would become the 1911 platform was .38 ACP. Need I say more?
 
Some great posts already made I wholeheartedly agree with.

Couple of points if I may:

One needs to consider environment and mode of dress.

.38spl is a lower pressure round, and for enclosed areas, such as vehicles, less deafening than .357.

158gr standard pressure was what .38spl guns were regulated to shoot POA/POI, shot placement is a huge key in round effectiveness.

FBI is a good load, and back in the day, we shot dirt, not for penetration, instead to see how reloaded bullets held up. Some bullets were factory, some made from wheel weights, etc.

Scientific Mud/Dirt Test and if one goes to Tom Given's site, www.rangemaster.com, and read the latest newsletter, Mr. Givens shares what Mentors did when I was coming up.
Bones and Skin and load testing.

Skin is elastic, and bones do things to bullets.
In our day, SM/D Test, shooting dirt, we also put a rain slicker, or poncho over the box (skin) and added bones, chicken, ham, game cleaned - whatever.
Amazing how bullets recovered from plain dirt, and those with "skin and bones" replicated those removed from critters felled.


People and critters do not know, they are supposed to act a certain way with makes, models , calibers and bullets.

Recently, we took a 1929 Colt Detective special, and old Model 36 snub nose with UMC 158 gr LRN, standard pressure ammunition, that old "Widow Maker" load and put down a cow each.
One shot from each gun, and each cow went down.

This is not uncommon and has been done forever.

.38spl is a proven round, it will do its part, if the user does theirs.
 
Out of all the responses, I'm pretty surprised that only 2 referenced the CorBon DPX round. My name may not be Ayoob (lol), but I truly think that this is the round of the future. Lead is just toxic stuff. All copper means near Zero weight loss, and did you LOOK at those expanded rounds pictured above?? Even though there are not a lot of tests out there (yet), the expansion seems consistent, even in the smaller calibers.
Wandering off topic, I know, but for me SP101 + DPX +P = :eek: for the BG.
JMHO, of course.....
 
I use the federal hydra shok 110 gr = 1000 f.p.s. in a 4 inch barrel so probley 85 in my snuby
 
My last assignment as a private security officer was protecting a federal courthouse. We were required to carry 38 Specials. We carried 125 Gr. SJHP +P loads as required by contract. I never had a problem with them out of my Model 10. When I became a DOD police officer this was the load issued for our Model 64's. Wish we had been allowed to purchase the revolvers when we went to our 9MM Berettas.
 
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