May have been. The one I looked at had target stocks on it and that is what was on the box. Having the box is nice but it don't shoot any better cause you have it. When I got my old S serial gun I got the original presentation box the tools and papers. I bought it in Wyoming from a fellow I knew when living in Alaska... more'n 25 years later. Sometimes as they say... even a blind skwerl finds an acorn. I bought a 57 4 inch gun a few months ago for my daughter... made about 1981 TT TH magna stocks. Darn gal can shoot it. But she is a farrier. Pretty strong for a 125 pound gal
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S.B.
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They are coming down but, still to rich for my blood. Kind of like the model 28s just because someone on specific sites puts nice pictures up, every one assume they NOW want one.
Steve
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Frank V
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S.B. there is nothing wrong with the 57!
The 58s are kind of like a Mod. 10 on steroids!
The 58s are kind of like a Mod. 10 on steroids!
S.B.
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Yes, Frank, I know.
Steve
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I'd like a 58 mainly because it has no protruding sights to catch on the instrument of carry...usually a pocket in my coat. Used in the high country while elk hunting..we have grizzlies. And they hear a gun shot and consider it like ringing a dinner bell. So if ya have to shoot a grizz..it's going to be at very close range...and the 58 is probably the best carry gun for the purpose. I want one...again. BTW...if you have to shoot a grizz in this country...they investigate the shooting somewhat like a people shooting. You'd better have a very good reason.
Frank V
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skeet028, wow you must have a very big coat pocket to carry a 58 in but some coats do have big pockets. I think the 58 is a great mtn. gun too. We also have grizzlys in our Elk hunting areas.
but some coats do have big pockets. I think the 58 is a great mtn. gun too. We also have grizzlys in our Elk hunting areas.Well, my hunting coat is a Browning down coat with a large pocket on the left side center. It holds my 4 inch 57 or the 3 inch round butt M-29. even with adj sights. I had a 5 inch 29 and it fit also.... barely. But a 58 with no adj sights would probably fit perfectly for a much easier time coming out of the pocket with no catching. The 3 inch 29 is the best fit but if you've ever shot one with those round butts... it is hard to hold with good b'ar loads. I just sold one of the 629s in 3 inch as it was a very hard gun to shoot with the heavy loads. And I thought it was ugly...SS just kinda turns me off. I put S&W magna grips on the 57 when I carry it hunting. Easier to shoot in my opinion. I bought a S&W 13 from a lady the other day at a show..Boy if they had made an alloy framed 58 it would have been a perfect hunting revolver. LOL
You fellers going bear hunting with a .41 and worried about penetration, might take this into consideration.
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This 210 Sierra JHP penetrated the back end of a fleeing Ford Bronco and wound up in the dash board radio.
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This 210 Sierra JHP penetrated the back end of a fleeing Ford Bronco and wound up in the dash board radio.
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What powder charge are you using for that load. I've been looking for medium velocity load data for that bullet but haven't had any luck.
I use L'il Gun. I can get more velocity with it but don't really need any more. Used to use 2400 but the L'il Gun is better and the pressures are good. Other than the 410...the only load I use that powder in. And I shoot so few I don't get any flame cutting....Speaking of which..a fellow tried to trade me a 4 inch 29 the other day on another 4 inch I had. He was a reloader and it made me a little suspicious. His was flame cut clear to the edges..quite a bit too. When I noticed it he told me he only loaded 296/H110. I had never seen one that badly cut. I was under the impression that it usually stopped at a certain point. Other than that the gun was tight. The cyl barrel gap was a bit wide though the frame did not seem to be stretched. I did not trade...but did offer to buy it as it was a 29-2. He declined.
Frank V
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RKRCPA, IMR4227 will get you to those velocities pretty easily & it's a pretty good powder.
A fellow silhouette shooter was loading FA Model 83 in 357 magnum, using RCBS 200 grains and H110 and W296. Loads were top ones for FA. Quite soon he discovered erosion on barrel aft face and forcing cone, and top strap. He switched to IMR4227 and no further erosion. Also, according to some sources, Li'lGun is even worse regarding erosion than H110 and W296.
Personally, if I use double based powders, it's only for up to medium pressure loads. For top loads, single base powders only.
Important note; I used H4227 for some top loads behind 325 grain bullet in 45 Colt. Revolver had one cylinder that had gap .002-.003", and in about 50% cases unburned powder will tie the gun. Switching to another cylinder with about .006" gap eliminated noted problem.
They say L'il Gun flame cuts but I haven't seen it. I don't shoot many of my B'ar loads. I too like 4227 and use it in 41 and 44 loads. Not for bear loads though. It has been known to bind a handgun or two up so I just use it for less worrisome uses. I do know 296/H110 will flame cut and erode metal. Think I am going to try some AA No 9 too. but I have quite a bit of 4227
Frank V
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skeet028, they investigate shooting a Grizzly here too, and are kind of picky about it.
In fear of life or great bodily harm is the critera for using deadly force against another human, & that'd be my reason if I ever had to shoot a grizzly.
I've used a LOT of 2400 in various six-guns without any flame cutting. It's really old school, but has worked well for years.
In fear of life or great bodily harm is the critera for using deadly force against another human, & that'd be my reason if I ever had to shoot a grizzly.
I've used a LOT of 2400 in various six-guns without any flame cutting. It's really old school, but has worked well for years.
Sometimes old school is the best school. It is still around because it works!
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Skeet..how about some details on your bear stories...since you are still here to tell the tale it must have worked fine...
...and a 58 isn't any better coming out of a pocket than a 57...it is the hammer spur much more than the adjustable sight blade that gets hung up. I have two 58s and one had the spur ground off and the top of the hammer serrated for easy SA cocking...a slick gun.
Bob
...and a 58 isn't any better coming out of a pocket than a 57...it is the hammer spur much more than the adjustable sight blade that gets hung up. I have two 58s and one had the spur ground off and the top of the hammer serrated for easy SA cocking...a slick gun.
Bob
Frank V
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Sometimes old school is the best school. It is still around because it works!
My thoughts exactly, 2400 is a powder I'd hate to be without.
My idea on the 58 is it has a much smaller front sight no rear and if I am pulling it out of my coat pocket my thumb is on the hammer spur anyway. The pocket on that coat is on the left side right aat the zipper. Think of it as a kinda crossdraw. I was out hunting antelope with a friend(he had the license) in a late season up high. Couldn't get within 400 yds of an antelope. But we ran up on a bunch of elk...about 75 or so traveling around a hill. I didn't even have a rifle but the other fellow shot a BIG cow with his 243 at about 75 yds. When he shot had a nice cow run past me at about 50 ft. Carrying the Wilson Combat in that coat. Just drew it out and did a triple tap on that cow. Flopped over quicker than his cow. Those 30-40 seconds start to finish cost us 3 hours of hard work. Luckily he had a Harbor Freight come along. I always have a gun in that coat come winter as that pocket just works for me....Drat...I just remembered an auction that ended tonight..had a decent 58 in it...I missed it as it sold for 700 bucks. Darn it... My first 58 cost me 100 bucks many years ago..Nobody wanted such an ugly piece. LOL Wish I still had it. S serial number not too far from my 57 according to my records
Skeet..how about some details on your bear stories...since you are still here to tell the tale it must have worked fine...
I did not shoot eithr of the bears in question. I was just there on one and a few 100yds away on the other. One had been chewing on the fellows arm when he shot it in the right nostril. Bullet came out the left hindquarter. Fellow said he thought he was as good as dead when the bear fell on him. The 2nd bear was wounded and the same fellows brother in law went into the brush with some other fellows who were trying to push rthe bear out into the open. His BIL fired at about 15 ft in the brush with the bear coming at him. Hit it right at neck body junction and the bullet also came out of the left buttock. He said he knew he hit it but descretion and valour being mixed up sometimes he got out of the brush post haste. After waiting a while they went back in ab=nd found the bear dead about where he fired from. Only bear I ever had to deal with personally was a kida smallish grizz at a range of 10 yards or so. He saw me about the time I saw it and he swapped ends and took off the other way. I was carrying a pre 64 M-70 in 338 Win Mag(according to the records the 11th one made). I was just happy he went the other way too. Had many opportunities to shoot a bear but never did. And don't really want to. Wolves??..a much different story
I did not shoot eithr of the bears in question. I was just there on one and a few 100yds away on the other. One had been chewing on the fellows arm when he shot it in the right nostril. Bullet came out the left hindquarter. Fellow said he thought he was as good as dead when the bear fell on him. The 2nd bear was wounded and the same fellows brother in law went into the brush with some other fellows who were trying to push rthe bear out into the open. His BIL fired at about 15 ft in the brush with the bear coming at him. Hit it right at neck body junction and the bullet also came out of the left buttock. He said he knew he hit it but descretion and valour being mixed up sometimes he got out of the brush post haste. After waiting a while they went back in ab=nd found the bear dead about where he fired from. Only bear I ever had to deal with personally was a kida smallish grizz at a range of 10 yards or so. He saw me about the time I saw it and he swapped ends and took off the other way. I was carrying a pre 64 M-70 in 338 Win Mag(according to the records the 11th one made). I was just happy he went the other way too. Had many opportunities to shoot a bear but never did. And don't really want to. Wolves??..a much different story
Frank V
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Having a good six-gun at all times often comes in handy.
Congratulations, Cow Elk taste VERY good.
Sorry you missed the 58 in the auction. Keep looking one will come along.
Doing a s,all local gun show this weekend. Hope I run up on one there. I picked up a couple of Colt handguns back in July. An Officers Model Match 38 and a New Service 45 Colt A Mountie gun. Don't particularly care for them so they have to go. Maybe I can make a trade
Frank V
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Ohhhh I'd keep the Officers Model Match, those are fantastic guns usually very accurate too.
Frank V
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The S&W 58 is a fine gun. I sure wouldn't get rid of the Officers Model Match though they are fine guns too!
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