Me tooOddly enough I only get delayed on the phone. If it’s submitted electronically it takes 1/2 hour but I get a proceed.
I always get "researching" on online from, but usually less than 20 minutes wait. I've also gotten delayed on phone call and was given a "proceed" before I'd made it out of the shop. 5 minutes maybe. Yesterday I was delayed on phone call and haven't heard back yet. Longest delay I've had thus far.typically run my NICS checks by phone, but if the buyer gets a Delay, I'll immediately log in and if it shows as "researching", I'll have them wait. Usually it takes about 15 minutes to update to Delayed or Proceed
Some shops here have stopped accepting CHL even though they're perfectly legal in Ohio. Couple occasions where a Domestic Violence charge caused someone's CHL to be yanked and made them prohibited, but they still had the physical copy.Check this list to see if your state's concealed carry permit exempts you from the NICS check.
It is certainly true that the dealer can legally stop the sale for any reason--or for no reason at all.I think we agree.
The dealer decides.
There is no appeal if the dealer makes the decision not to sell -- for whatever reason.
(funky address documentation in his opinion be one)
None.
^^^ THIS ^^^the dealer can not legally decide to allow the sale to proceed if the proper documents are not provided
It's my understanding that some of the big-box stores here won't honor the permit and insist on doing the background check. It's their right to do so. It's my right to spend my money elsewhere. (which, working in a gun shop, I do anyway).Some shops here have stopped accepting CHL even though they're perfectly legal in Ohio
They typically have a blanket policy that covers all their stores. Since there are state to state, variations, sticking with the most stringent guidelines company wide covers their ass.big-box stores
I'll bow out of the conversation. I write as I speak and the part I didn't write was that this FFL will not accept supplemental documents if the DL/ID has the incorrect address. I thought that was obvious. But apparently not. He may be an idiot but he's one of largest independent (not a chain store) FFL's in the state with over a dozen employees. He understands the law and chooses to operate this way.It is the law. And has been for decades.
"Some FFL's"? Darn well better be EVERY FFL if they want to keep that FFL and not become a felon
The concern for a potential issue isn't entirely unwarranted, I deal with alot of electrical codes that are written in plain language (seemingly plain) but most customers would have absolutely no idea how to interpret a code citation, as well as master electricians who will interpret it differently and vehemently argue with the inspector who interprets it a completely different way and on top of that, you can get two different answers from two different inspectors on one single "simple" paragraph of electrical code.Because not all bother reading the instructions on the Form 4473. I'm not just bagging on FFL's who don't/won't read the instructions, but buyers don't/won't do it either. (as evidenced by this thread)
His right as a business owner to refuse service with or without a valid reason. His choice, but not supported by law.this FFL will not accept supplemental documents if the DL/ID has the incorrect address.
The instructions on the Form 4473 aren't code, regulation or written in "legalese", but simple, easy to understand instructions that leaves little for the dealer or buyer to interpret.The concern for a potential issue isn't entirely unwarranted, I deal with alot of electrical codes that are written in plain language (seemingly plain) but most customers would have absolutely no idea how to interpret a code citation, as well as master electricians who will interpret it differently and vehemently argue with the inspector who interprets it a completely different way and on top of that, you can get two different answers from two different inspectors on one single "simple" paragraph of electrical code....
Believe it or not but you either are or are not. But they do leave either 18.a or 18.b blank and then want to argue that they did answer, pointing to their response DESPITE the instructions that follow in the next question........to answer BOTH!18.a. Ethnicity
___Hispanic or Latino
___Not Hispanic or Latino
Note the instruction that few read, much less follow........ "Both 18.a and 18.b must be answered"18.b. Race (Select one or more race in 18.b. Both 18.a. and 18.b. must be answered.)
___American Indian or Alaska Native
___Black or African American
___White
___Asian
___Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander
Yeah, his right but IMO not a sound business practice.His right as a business owner to refuse service with or without a valid reason. His choice, but not supported by law.
No doubt. The guy did say the dealer is "one of the biggest", so maybe he feels he doesn't need the business of those folks.Yeah, his right but IMO not a sound business practice.
There are dealers who refuse to sell to anyone who is not a US Citizen.........thats not legal and one day will come back to bite them in the butt.