A Question for Open Carry Folks.

Status
Not open for further replies.
I clean my guns out on the porch (fiancee doesn't like me spraying cleaning products inside) so everyone knows pretty much what I have anyhow.


Oddly, my neighbors don't talk to me... wonder why...
 
ezypikns said:
The main reason is that I don't want anyone (neighbors, passersby, anyone) to know that I have firearms in my house. A likely scenario would be you, arriving home, walking into your house with your weapon in plain sight.
Wouldn’t that statement apply to anything you are seen bringing into your house? I guess you could trade in your car or truck for a pinto wagon and make your wife and daughters wear a burka (unless they’re too ugly to matter), and live like a hermit. (How does one discreetly walk to the car with their long gun?) The truth is that anything can attract a criminal, robber, or rapist. Your sidearm says you’re not an easy target.

Defensory said:
However, I believe they're fooling themselves if they think it's going to deter all criminals. In many cases, it will ATTRACT criminals.

In recent years, there has been a significant increase in armed robberies of gun shops, as well as armed robberies of gun shop/firing range employees and customers in the shop/range parking lots, or followed after they left and later robbed.
Can you provide any citation to support your statement? Not that there are robberies of these groups, but to your statement that there has been a significant increase in these incidents.

However, I believe they're fooling themselves if they think it's going to deter all criminals.
Other than this sentence, there is no such thing as an absolute argument. Absolutely nothing you do will deter ALL criminals. Open carry has a significantly greater chance of deterring a criminal than does concealed carry. I’ve never read anywhere that anyone thinks OC will deter all criminals, this argument is moot.


Concealed carry retains the element of surprise, and doesn't advertise to criminals that you've got a gun to steal.
The “element of surprise” is an armchair commando myth. Surprise is not now, and never in history has been, a defensive tactic. So unless you’re going out to offensively strike potential robbers by surprising them with a concealed weapon, that argument has no merit. There are times when concealing your sidearm may be preferable, but it’s never a sound defensive tactic.

Some wise words from another forum:
There are really only two possible outcomes to a gunfight:
A)Someone "wins" and someone "loses" - or 50% chance of survival
B)Both lose - or 0% chance of survival

If you consider the two options, you could say you have a 1 in 3 chance to be the "winner". I'd prefer to let my visible gun help me avoid a gunfight than let my concealed gun "surprise" somebody I end up in one with.
 
Concealed carry retains the element of surprise, and doesn't advertise to criminals that you've got a gun to steal.
True, but how are you going to take advantage of the surprise? Is the criminal going to just stand there and allow you to draw your weapon?
As for the original post, no I don't mind. If you have been around long enough you have probably seen me taking long guns to the range or hunting. For others they see me with that gun but do I have others? Are they going to risk doing a B and E to find out? I don't worry about every little detail. I just play the hand life deals to me.
 
the only thing that OC attracts, from what i've seen, are LEOs who want to abuse their authority, to harrass anyone who chooses to OC.

Only until more people OC so that the LEO's become aware of the laws regarding OC.
 
I'll be open carrying my Colt Walker later today...and yes I've been hassled by the cops before. I'm not letting them intimidate me into losing my rights, nor should anyone else. If you want to open carry and it's legal, do so, being familiar with all applicable laws. If you want to conceal carry and you can legally, do so. I do both depending on weather, place, my feelings, etc. We shouldn't be disparaging each other over our preferred method of carry. Division is not good for us. Personally, I'm not worried about open carrying attracting criminals, I suspect the sight of a big handgun usually deters people and makes them move on to easier targets, and it gives me a quicker draw too. I know there are exceptions but they are rare, especially where I live (most crime here is drug dealer versus buyer, rival criminals killing each other, etc., not a whole lot of random stuff).
 


the only thing that OC attracts, from what I've seen, are LEOs who want to abuse their authority, to harrass anyone who chooses to OC.

Only until more people OC so that the LEO's become aware of the laws regarding OC.

This was a problem for a short while in the Manasas, VA area for a while last year or the year before. The answer was that gun owners decided to do an open carry protest and many began to OC in response. This then brought about a Duran Duran response by the Manasas PD of "No mas, por favor. No mas," and the harassment ended and OC carried the day.

 
Some outstanding responses here!

I do not worry especially about criminals targeting me or my home because I open carry. Inasmuch as it is even a factor, I suspect they would prefer a "softer" target.

Open carrying on a daily basis, I have had zero untoward events with neighbors, local police (who have had a checkered history with respect to open carry), or strangers at the market. I'm sure some roll their eyes and write me off as a jerk. I will not miss their company in the least. Like Majic, I try to play the hand I'm dealt, and leave others in peace.
 
Another open carrier here.

For years it didn't even occur to me to worry about this stuff! I've seen other people open carrying since I was a small child, I started open carrying myself when I turned 21, and for years I never had or heard about it causing any problems.

I had no idea that people who open carry were harassed by police or that anyone worried about it being a criminal magnet until I started reading gun discussions on the internet.

I'm 30 now and the problems of open carry are still limited to the internet from my personal experience (I know some people have had some very real, very unpleasant encounters stemming form OC, but I haven't).
 
The main reason is that I don't want anyone (neighbors, passersby, anyone) to know that I have firearms in my house.

Like JesseL, I grew up thinking that most people had guns. Growing up in Wyoming, where it is common to see elk, deer, antelope, or moose in the backs of trucks or hanging in garages, it is easy to assume that most homes have guns.

When it comes down to the bottom line, we all have valuables in our homes. Most of the guns that people have are replaceable. So what is the difference between a $1500 gun and a $1500 tv, except that most of my guns have the added security of being in a safe which the average house crook has no idea of how to get into.

Like others have said, I think that most criminals are not completely stupid. They still fear for their life and I feel that most of them will choose an easier mark unless they are actually trying to get guns.
 
It goes both ways. Many punks would avoid you if they could see that you were armed but those that didn't would be more prepared in thier attack.

In general, I think that the more people are seen carrying the more acceptable it will become and hopefully this will lead to elimination of the unConstitutional restrictions on where we can carry.

If it wouldn't cause a major commotion in my area I would open carry simply because its easier than having to always wear a jacket when everybody else is in a t-shirt and shorts. Of course, I live in NJ and open carry would lead to a police convention wherever I went so I just keep it concealed or leave it behind.
 
Pair Robbed In Driveway After Visiting Gun Range

2 Semiautomatic Handguns Stolen, Police Say

OVIEDO, Fla. -- Two people were robbed in their driveway at gunpoint in Oviedo Sunday afternoon after police said they were targeted while leaving a gun range.

The robbery happened about 4:30 p.m. in the driveway of a house in the Kingsbridge West neighborhood, police said.

The unidentified victims were approached by four black males, who were described as being in their late teens, after returning home from the Central Florida Gun Range, according to police.

http://www.local6.com/news/10962467/detail.html
....
 
Defensory said:
Pair Robbed In Driveway After Visiting Gun Range...

I don't understand your point with this story. OC is illegal in FL, and the story doesn't mention they were doing so. It sounds like the "element of surprise" didn't help them.
 
I definately agree with Defensory :

In recent years, there has been a significant increase in armed robberies of gun shops, as well as armed robberies of gun shop/firing range employees and customers in the shop/range parking lots, or followed after they left and later robbed.

Not to mention armed robberies of shooters at unstaffed outdoor public ranges, some of whom were even murdered, such as THR's own Reverend McCalla (RIP).

Concealed carry retains the element of surprise, and doesn't advertise to criminals that you've got a gun to steal.

I've been around guns of all types for 55 years and have never had any desire to carry exposed for all to see unless I'm out in the woods.
The arguement that was made about carrying open is soooo much faster than concealed is hogwash. If a person practices occasionally, either way is fast. To brush your shirt-tail aside on your way to retrieve your weapon probably can't even be measured in milaseconds! It's a part of your hand/arm motion which is almost identical to retrieving your sidearm without a shirt-tail in the way. Very stupid arguement.

The idea about always being aware of your surroundings sounds a lot more "Tacti-cool" than reality. It just doesn't happen unless you're paranoid or in a situation which actually feels threatening. I'd bet just about anyone with evil on their mind could even surprise any of the Gunsite personnel. Anyone who thinks that they couldn't be surprised and disarmed is a wannabe ninja and kidding himself.
 
I dont worry at all about people finding out I own/carry guns from me OC'ing, or from seeing me carry them to/from my car in cases when I go to the range. Why dont I worry? mainly, because my personal experiance is that people are VERY oblivious, and just dont even notice the gun(s) at all, and if they do, they assume I'm a cop. I have OC'd many times in Eugene (an ULTRA-liberal city of 200K+ people, and also home to 1 of the 2 states largets universities) and no one, LEO's standing right next to me included, have never so much as given me a second look (and yes, I pay careful attention, as I am intentionally watching, just for my own education and/or amusement, to see if nyone reacts or seems to even notice at all), an no one bats an eye, whispers, moves away, or says a word.

So, it boils down to people tend to be unobservant and oblivious, so you likely arent attracting nearly as much attention as you think, and of those that notice you carrying, likely just assume that you must be in law enforcement (as they likely assume if you werent, you wouldnt be carrying, and certainly not openly, because they likely think it's illegal for people to carry, or at least OC anyways, if they arent.) So, IMHO, any criminal who notices I own, or carry a gun, while he may REALLY want to steal them, is likely not going to act on it because 1) he is like everyone else and assumes I must be a cop, and criminals REALLY like to AVOID contact with cops, not initiate it, especially in a robbery, or, they, like anyone who isnt suicidal or pychotic, REALLY doesnt want to get shot and killed, so will avoid me knwing that may happen, since they know I own/carry a gun. They would much rather rob the old lady down the street who likely isnt armed, or even able to resist physically. Easy pickins, little to know risk.

Criminals arent entirely stupid. They can asses risk vs reward just like the rest of us, and will avoid as much risk as possible to get thier "reward". Why confront an armed, 30ish year old man, when there are elderly people, women, or people who at least arent 100% KNOW to be armed, etc that are "easier pickins" in thier eyes?

As for Defensory's example of gun stores or people coming from the range getting robbed. yep, it can happen. How many stories would you like me to post of stores other than gun shops getting robbed, or people who werent coming from the gun range getting robbed in thier driveway? happens all the time. All it proves is that no matter WHAT you do, or where you work, you CAN be the unlucky person that gets targeted.If there were ANY way to even be 90% sure we wouldnt be a victem, we'd all be doing it. But, there isnt any way to to even close to sure, no matter what you do (unless you want to turn your home into an impenetrable fortress, and NEVER set foot outside again) all you can do is mitigate to a level that YOU feel strikes the balance between being totally oblivious to risk, and shear paranoia and misery. That acceptable level will very be person, location, etc.


just my opinion, ymmv, and you (you not meaning anyone here specifically, the collective "you") have every right to beleive the opposite of me, and do what you think is best for you and yours.
 
when i get my own place reloading supplies will be in plain sight and a gunsafe will be seen........if your stupid enough to disregard the remington security sticker
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top