Am I just getting old here?
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browningguy
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No F/O sights, lazers or addons needed. The shotgun does not need to passed through the portals of Vangland or been inscribed with runes of dread by the wizards of Wilson.No, it doesn't. But it certainly won't hurt it to have been there.
I don't think anyone on this board ever said you "needed" this equipment. I think the discussions get out of hand because some people think anyone with modern gear must be a Ninja. I don't belittle anyone who wants to use their single shot shotgun as a HD weapon, good luck to them. Everyone can have an opinion, but just because you might prefer older and simpler equipment does not mean you know anything more than me.
Here's a pic of Browningguy the Ninja:
Good gracious, he's wearing camo, must be a ninja. Well, I was stalking on a friends ranch, he also wears camo when hunting so it seemed ok at the time. And you'll note the entrance wound from leaning against a tree at about 140 yards.
Here's one of Browningguys Ninja guns, look out, it has a 6 position stock and a scope, Browningguy must be a Ninja.
I'm sure there is no obvious reason, like Mrs. Browningguy also shoots this rifle and likes a 1.5" shorter LOP. Nah, couldn't be anything like making sure the gun fits multiple users, must be a Ninja.
So you carry your model 10 and H&R single shot shotgun, I'll carry my Mossy 500 with extended mag tube and light, or an AR with optics/free float tube/tuned trigger, and one or two of my BHP's and we'll both be happy.
I almost forgot, here's one of my Ninja BHP's with a fiber optic front sight (and a tuned trigger). I know, it's very Ninja, but my splits went down by a tenth so it's staying.
41magsnub
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You are getting a little over defensive there sparky, calm down.. this thread is not directed at you as much as you keep making it that way. The point that started this whole thing and is still valid is that when folks come on this board and ask about what shotgun to get for HD, invariably some jackass sends them towards some camo painted pistol gripped "tactical" conglomeration without mention of needed to focus on learning to shoot first. You want to know why the jackass does that? Because they bought all that stuff, have no idea what they are doing, and feel the need to validate their fancy gun that they can't shoot.
On top of that (and this is a truism with shooting, golf, and any other sport) is folks try to buy experience. If a person can't hit the broad side of a barn with a bone stock pump gun or coach gun or whatever what makes them think adding lasers, lights, adjustable stocks, and night vision is going to make it any better? Using golf as the example, if a person is new at golf are the hyper expensive golf clubs that promise an extra 25 yards per hit going to make a lick of difference? That is the point.
If a person knows how to shoot and gets genuine benefit from all the tacticool stuff then more power to them. It is not to my taste and I'll say that if asked, but if it makes them happy then what do I matter. However, the average person buying all the crap is not in that category and certain assumptions are made about the person who has all that stuff and you know what? The assumptions are right more often than they are wrong.
Okiecruffler
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Okay BrowningGuy, you win. You've convinced me. You've proven you're a ninja.
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browningguy,
Can't fool me, I know a curmudgeon when I see one, and that really nice picture is one of a curmudgeon!
I know a fellow Bifocal Weaver-ish Stance pistol shooter when I see one too!
*grin*
Steve
Can't fool me, I know a curmudgeon when I see one, and that really nice picture is one of a curmudgeon!
I know a fellow Bifocal Weaver-ish Stance pistol shooter when I see one too!
*grin*
Steve
Ivy Mike
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I suppose I spent too much time around my retired LAPD grandfather who still swears cops should only carry a 6 shot revolver.
My home defense gun is the 12ga my dad used to get quail and chukar. All blued steel, long barrel and full wood stock. Why mess with a good thing?
My home defense gun is the 12ga my dad used to get quail and chukar. All blued steel, long barrel and full wood stock. Why mess with a good thing?
browningguy
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I have to plead guilty to that statement
. In fact, to keep from going to trifocals I got a spare set of glasses set up just for working on the computer. Guys, I know it's not about me and I honestly wouldn't care if it was, I'm just trying to show that the idea that anyone using modern technology is a ninja wannabe is wrong. There are lots of older people that take advantage of technology that helps them. Back in the 70's I used to shoot bullseye pistol at Little Creek Amphib. Base, I was never very good mind you, but by going to red dots I've at least been able to keep my scores the same as I age. And my sporting clays guns have worn fiber optic sights since they became available.
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browningguy,
Yeah the young whippersnappers just don't know how that Bifocal Weaver-ish Stance is a zen thing allowing us to hit.
Or is that "gee I hope so?" *snicker*
You were raised right, learning with a iron sighted .22 rifle, how to properly shoot a shotgun with correct basic fundamentals, pistols with iron sights- without a crutch.
Time catches up, and eyes don't do what they once could, just the way the human anatomy and physiology is made up.
Add, injury, disease, just inheriting bad genes play a part as well.
We've had kids, legally blind if you will, and they have a right to learn to shoot as well.
Target is done so they can better see it, and glass or dot allows them to shoot that .22 rifle.
Oh how they would like to shoot a iron sighted .22 single shot, and they do with help, just they don't have the eyes, and knocking over a tin can, or busting a balloon assists with self esteem and having fun!
Shotguns, these same kids, legally blind, will use primer only hulls after the correct basics of stance, foot position, and everything.
Primer only hulls add the noise and "bang" - and we get there.
Big balloon, coached along and they pop it with a light load.
Get an adult, parent, and these kids are sharing all about the correct basics and safety and ...
Adults legally blind have done shotguns this way too.
Can't died for these kids and adults , they have a right to all this, and a garden hose is a great tool to assist with how a shotgun pattern works, pattern boards, and moving targets.
Just like the blind that play golf, shoot archery and even hunt with a coach, these folks - have a right.
We have taken kids out to dove hunt, and duck hunt. I mean there is lot more to hunting, than felling game.
The morning breakfast, or getting do-nuts and hot chocolate, coffee, the smell of dawgs , dirt roads, dust, cold and wet...everything.
Kids, have a sense of humor.
These kinds of kids just want to be accepted like other kids.
Miss a dove and the legally blind kid, listening and hearing what all going on - which kids like as dove hunting means everyone is yelling and razzing one another - they don't have to be quiet.
"Yeah I saw you raise your head..."
"Blind kid coulda hit that sucker..."
"Wanna borrow my glasses..."
"Who has duct tape, put my cane on his shotgun..."
I don't believe in learning with a crutch.
I do not appreciate those being disrespectful to those in Military, or LEO, carrying on as they do.
Yeah the young whippersnappers just don't know how that Bifocal Weaver-ish Stance is a zen thing allowing us to hit.
Or is that "gee I hope so?" *snicker*
You were raised right, learning with a iron sighted .22 rifle, how to properly shoot a shotgun with correct basic fundamentals, pistols with iron sights- without a crutch.
Time catches up, and eyes don't do what they once could, just the way the human anatomy and physiology is made up.
Add, injury, disease, just inheriting bad genes play a part as well.
We've had kids, legally blind if you will, and they have a right to learn to shoot as well.
Target is done so they can better see it, and glass or dot allows them to shoot that .22 rifle.
Oh how they would like to shoot a iron sighted .22 single shot, and they do with help, just they don't have the eyes, and knocking over a tin can, or busting a balloon assists with self esteem and having fun!
Shotguns, these same kids, legally blind, will use primer only hulls after the correct basics of stance, foot position, and everything.
Primer only hulls add the noise and "bang" - and we get there.
Big balloon, coached along and they pop it with a light load.
Get an adult, parent, and these kids are sharing all about the correct basics and safety and ...
Adults legally blind have done shotguns this way too.
Can't died for these kids and adults , they have a right to all this, and a garden hose is a great tool to assist with how a shotgun pattern works, pattern boards, and moving targets.
Just like the blind that play golf, shoot archery and even hunt with a coach, these folks - have a right.
We have taken kids out to dove hunt, and duck hunt. I mean there is lot more to hunting, than felling game.
The morning breakfast, or getting do-nuts and hot chocolate, coffee, the smell of dawgs , dirt roads, dust, cold and wet...everything.
Kids, have a sense of humor.
These kinds of kids just want to be accepted like other kids.
Miss a dove and the legally blind kid, listening and hearing what all going on - which kids like as dove hunting means everyone is yelling and razzing one another - they don't have to be quiet.
"Yeah I saw you raise your head..."
"Blind kid coulda hit that sucker..."
"Wanna borrow my glasses..."
"Who has duct tape, put my cane on his shotgun..."
I don't believe in learning with a crutch.
I do not appreciate those being disrespectful to those in Military, or LEO, carrying on as they do.
What qualifies as a tacticool doodad, and how many is too many? Seriously. Is it only one additional doodad or two that puts it over the top?
I don't own one single rail-mount laser, light, red-dot, acog, grip, bottle-opener, doohickey, or whatever. But I do own an 870 with a synthetic stock and extended tube, does that make it tacticool? Apparently to some, if it isn't a wood stock SxS, it's tacticool.
Do people truly not see the utility in an ammo side saddle? I don't have one (yet), but they sure makes sense.
How many of you guys have novak-style combat sights on your handgun? Raise your hands all you tacticool mall ninjas. C'mon, don't be shy, up-up-up...
I don't own one single rail-mount laser, light, red-dot, acog, grip, bottle-opener, doohickey, or whatever. But I do own an 870 with a synthetic stock and extended tube, does that make it tacticool? Apparently to some, if it isn't a wood stock SxS, it's tacticool.
Do people truly not see the utility in an ammo side saddle? I don't have one (yet), but they sure makes sense.
How many of you guys have novak-style combat sights on your handgun? Raise your hands all you tacticool mall ninjas.
C'mon, don't be shy, up-up-up...Rampant_Colt
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my shotty is teh l33t whiz-bang tekkie!!
it takes two minutes to warm up, but once it does.....
you'll die in the street without one of these babies!
it takes two minutes to warm up, but once it does.....
you'll die in the street without one of these babies!
JohnBT
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"Do people truly not see the utility in an ammo side saddle?"
I don't for my situation. When I've emptied the shotgun I'm reaching for another loaded gun if I don't have time to reload from a pocket or belt loop. Might go for the second gun if I do have time to reload. Now, whether that second gun is a shotgun or a handgun will depend on the situation. Doesn't everybody have 2 or 3 loaded shotguns handy?
Side saddles, slings and optics can also get hung up on stuff when you're trying to move quickly and/or silently.
John
I don't for my situation. When I've emptied the shotgun I'm reaching for another loaded gun if I don't have time to reload from a pocket or belt loop. Might go for the second gun if I do have time to reload. Now, whether that second gun is a shotgun or a handgun will depend on the situation. Doesn't everybody have 2 or 3 loaded shotguns handy?
Side saddles, slings and optics can also get hung up on stuff when you're trying to move quickly and/or silently.
John
JohnBT
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Heh, I should have said shotgun, handgun or rifle. I keep forgetting I finally bought an AR last year. Cute little thing, shoots these itty-bitty little bullets that are nothing like a 12 ga. slug. No sling or glass on the AR either. Too many doorknobs and handrails in my house to be dragging around a sling.
John
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Marshall
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If I can hit running and flying game with my field shotguns, I see no legitimate reason I need sumpin too dang special to hit a full size BG inside my home.
I might change up the ammo a bit.
I might change up the ammo a bit.
MCgunner
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Hey, I love that gun with the Swiss Army Knife! I want one...
41magsnub
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None, it requires 208V AC power to run unless the optional field power pack is used. The optional field power pack has a 150 lb battery backup in it.
BruceRDucer
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OkieCruffler's Post
"...their HD gun, always a black 12ga pump or auto with attached light, laser, disco ball, GPS, anti-lock brakes and 5 inch LED screen. Then we hear about how their 27 round extended mag is loaded with depleted uranium laser guided heat seeking controled explosive slugs."--OkieCruffler
Had to comment on this, because its funny and a good comment on human nature.
There may be an update. How about the "Thought-Controlled Trigger Mechanism"?
If Toilet Paper rolls were more complicated, I'd probably lose my certification to use them.
"...their HD gun, always a black 12ga pump or auto with attached light, laser, disco ball, GPS, anti-lock brakes and 5 inch LED screen. Then we hear about how their 27 round extended mag is loaded with depleted uranium laser guided heat seeking controled explosive slugs."--OkieCruffler
Had to comment on this, because its funny and a good comment on human nature.
There may be an update. How about the "Thought-Controlled Trigger Mechanism"?
If Toilet Paper rolls were more complicated, I'd probably lose my certification to use them.
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+1 on getting old
Mr.Brown16
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True I am geting a little old of black
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By golly SM I do believe you understand the meaning of life
In my younger days we trained and sold hounds coonhounds beagles + a squirrel dog or two I have hunted with some of the best registared hounds out there I had an ithaca37 and a remington 1100 with safeties converted to left hand (they used to make left hand safeties before the lawyers got involved) could I kill more rabbits with the fancy dogs and guns ?maybe would I go back there over the ruscued beagles and my "ninja"
single shot 28 gauge (black synthetic stock,fiber optic bead,nylon sling)? Nope there is lot more to hunting, than felling game.If you have Learned to shoot and like gadgets by all mean buy what you want
If you a new shotgunner :you can't buy experience :banghead:and don't believe any one telling you, you can
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I'd say it's old age. Not everyone is comfortable with a blunderbuss for HD.
stellarpod
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I'm 52 and have bird hunted all my life, starting with a Sears 410 and graduating to a 16ga. Wingmaster. In '77 I bought an 1100. I've since owned O/U's, other pumps and coachguns and have put plenty of rounds through all of them.
Nonetheless, my HD shotgun is a Mossberg 590A1 with all kind of Ninjafication, including Knoxx SpecOps stock, Surefire forend light and sidesaddle. I am perfectly confident in my ability to use the gun appropriately, whether it is outfitted as such or not. But, having it doesn't mean I'm a Ninja-wantabee does it?
Okiecruffler:
I know what you're trying to say, and in general I agree with the K.I.S.S. philosophy. I don't believe you intend to be disrespectful. In fact, I've rather enjoyed this entire thread. But, when you read back through your posts you need to read between the lines - the perceived implication is that if you've got these things "hanging" on your shotgun you're probably ill-trained. I know, I know. You didn't *state that outright*. In fact, several people have stated (or implied) that if you spent $$$ on these then you've missed the boat, because you SHOULD HAVE spent the money on ammo, training, et al. The fact is that the two do not have to be mutually-exclusive. It is entirely possible to, 1) outfit your HD shotty with all the bells and whistles you desire, 2) train with the gun in a competent fashion, and 3) train such that you are capable of running the gun with or without the equipment in play.
I guess you can count me as being in browningguy's camp on this one.
And by the way, was that you I saw pack up your stuff and run away when I pulled into the lane next to you with my Ninjafied-Mossberg at the range the other day... ?
stellarpod
Nonetheless, my HD shotgun is a Mossberg 590A1 with all kind of Ninjafication, including Knoxx SpecOps stock, Surefire forend light and sidesaddle. I am perfectly confident in my ability to use the gun appropriately, whether it is outfitted as such or not. But, having it doesn't mean I'm a Ninja-wantabee does it?
Okiecruffler:
I know what you're trying to say, and in general I agree with the K.I.S.S. philosophy. I don't believe you intend to be disrespectful. In fact, I've rather enjoyed this entire thread. But, when you read back through your posts you need to read between the lines - the perceived implication is that if you've got these things "hanging" on your shotgun you're probably ill-trained. I know, I know. You didn't *state that outright*. In fact, several people have stated (or implied) that if you spent $$$ on these then you've missed the boat, because you SHOULD HAVE spent the money on ammo, training, et al. The fact is that the two do not have to be mutually-exclusive. It is entirely possible to, 1) outfit your HD shotty with all the bells and whistles you desire, 2) train with the gun in a competent fashion, and 3) train such that you are capable of running the gun with or without the equipment in play.
I guess you can count me as being in browningguy's camp on this one.
And by the way, was that you I saw pack up your stuff and run away when I pulled into the lane next to you with my Ninjafied-Mossberg at the range the other day... ?
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