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Gee, I don't know where to start. I hail from the land of extreme gun laws. I have no criminal record. All my life I have felt that I would like to own a gun. I have never engaged in a fist fight, EVER. I have never been struck by another individual before in my life. Coming to terms with this unrelenting desire is a difficult one in a land where extreme leftism spills over from the New England states. Thoughts of gun ownership are equated to a mental pathology. Everyone disapproves.

Today, feeling impatient in traffic, I passed a stationary car in what was a turning lane (illegal traffic manouvre) since two drivers were engaging in a conversation at each traffic light and took several seconds to get moving on every green. I did not, glare, yell, honk or even scowl in their direction. The pick-up truck chased me down in a fit of rage -- I was in my Toyota Echo -- and proceeded with what equates to the vehicular equivalent of a slow but powerful swing of a baseball bat. I can dodge it or be hit. Clearly, this is different to me than the dozens of road rage incidents that most drivers experience in a year -- sometimes we are recipients, sometime instigators -- but I am referring to the relative benign variety of honks, high-beams, profanity and tailgating. With the violent reaction to my relatively minor and discreet offense, I did fear for my safety for a few brief moments. This is not a rant about road rage.

Would this situation have turned out differently with a gun -- probably not. I remain physically unharmed. But what I do feel is an overwhelming feeling of vulnerability. I have no real means of defending myself if my actions today prompted an individual to take this a step further.

I am at the point in my life where I am truly happy. Having pursued higher education and worked six long, arduous years as a school teacher, i am now a successful artist with a loving wife who owns her dream business. Obstacles have been overcome and we are young and well-established. We are living our dream.

Today, I felt decidedly unprepared to defend my life. I have no confidence in myself to engage another male in a physical altercation. I also have no desire to find out what it feels like to have another man's fist hit my face. But still, I am tired of feeling so vulnerable. I am not saying that I have walked through life looking over my shoulder, but i am saying that in situations like today's, where a clear determination on irrational retaliation was displayed, I knew that the paralyzing momentary fear that I felt would render me useless to defend any family member that was accompanying me -- this would apply universally and naturally to any situation. The fact that this was a vehicular incident is irrelevant to me.

Inquiring at the local police station what we all learn watching Law and Order became clear: any attempt at legal retaliation is all but useless. As far as I can tell it will do nothing more than dump my name into the hands of my aggressor. The unproven intent to cause harm drops the offense down to a traffic violation and, even then, it comes down to witnesses that I don't have and inevitable judgment that will give the benefit of the doubt to the accused.

Part of me wanted revenge today and it makes me feel like a barbarian. But NOT the kind of revenge that comes from being dissed in traffic, but the kind that comes for having been momentarily caused to fear for my safety. My knowledge of my own personality knows I would not pull out a firearm under those circumstances. But I think knowing that I could save myself from harm by presenting a weapon if that same situation were to escalate would have saved me from the terrible feeling of helplessness that I am now enduring. It is truly nauseating. If I had never felt so helpless I probably would not be typing this and I would not be trying to hide the fact from my wife that I feel the need for revenge -- lawful or otherwise.

Thanks for reading and nay comments or input is appreciated. I will never carry a firearm legally in this country and it makes me a little sad. How many regretful individuals whose lives have been torn apart by violence might still be leading their previous lives if a firearm had ended their situation -- perhaps in a non-violent way.

Thanks
 
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Have you seen the movie The Matrix? You've just had your eyes opened to part of humanity that kinder, gentler, generally good people don't see or understand. You've taken the pill...:scrutiny:
There are people who are willing and able to destroy your life, often for no more than the potential that you've got $5 in your pocket. It's irrational, illogical and impolite. It's real, though.
Perhaps you can use this feeling and understanding in your art. Canada's still some semblance of a democracy, right? Wake people up. Act. You won't change the world by owning a pistol, but grass roots movements have made huge changes in big governments over the last several decades.
 
You need to get your confidence back. Sign up for some Martial Arts self defense classes. If you never use it, you still will have that knowledge and confidence to defend yourself.
 
you need a self defense vehicle :)

That Echo isn't going to do it.
You need a vehicle with what I like to call "Gross Weight advantage"! ;)
People are less likely to mess with a larger vehicle.

That being said (toungue in cheek) I think a firearm is helpful but in that situation, evade, evade, evade. Drive to (or just drive by) the nearest cop or police station or Dunkin Donuts. He'll be loathe to perform any stupid human /vehicle stunts in front of LEO. And also, time to alter your route so as to avoid him following you by haunting the route in wait. Over-reacting? mebbe... But there are some D**n fools out there who a freaking nutsoid. I have run across a few in my day. Had one guy try to run me off the road for something silly. My turn signal and high beam switch were in the same lever in my old truck. I tunred on my signal and accidentally flashed the brights on a guy in front of me. he tried to run me off the road after that. I kid you not.

These days, I drive like every one else on the road is either crazy, or stupid, or both. I am usually not disappointed. Be careful buddy!
-and remember, the gun is for when you are trapped and can't do ANYTHING else.

By the way, Welcome to THR!
 
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1) A boomstick isn't going to protect you. YOU are going to protect you.

2) I drive like everyone on the road is out to get me. Because some of them are 18 year old kids with 85 IQs who just had a fight with their girlfriends...

3) Bleepin' tiger! Bleepin' tiger! Never get outta the car! (apologies to Apocalypse Now...)
 
helplessCanadian, your best choice if you have one is to always avoid the fight.

You want a gun but think you can't get one? Join http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/index.php I hear they are very helpful, knowledgeable, friendly and all other good things so they'll be able to guide you to get the legal shotgun/rife/handgun gun you want in Canada.

Sure you won't be able to carry a gun for self defense outside of your house but owning a gun in Canada is possible.

The anti-gun laws in Canada will fail and will be reversed because criminals don't pay attention to laws and law abiding citizens do need something to protect themselves and their families.

Have a look at Rex Murphy "The Useless Canadian Gun Registry"

Check out your fellow Canadian's katey's firearm facts.

If you choose to, you can become part of the force to restore every Canadian's ability to own guns and defend themselves when seconds count and the police are minutes away.
 
JDoe, I live in Canada, Quebec City, here we have to take a 8h class with an exam to get a certificate to be able to ask a licence by mail. And that's just for Long rifles, for handguns it's another class, with an exam, to be able to ask a licence for handguns, for prohibited guns it's another way, but we can get a license for that.
We can own rifles, shotguns, handguns, in fact there is a lot of gun collectors here.
We certainly won't be able to carry, I mean... ever, because here, 99% of the population is anti-gun (they don'y know what is a Ak, M16, shotgun, but here guns are "MÉCHANTS" (BAD) and that seems to be enough (stupid people).
The only way I know for you to "carry" in your car, is when you are going to the range, and then your guns are in the back of your car, far away from your hands and everybody's hands.
 
HelplessCanadian, before getting a gun you should look for ways to gain self confidence first. If you are unwilling to engage an attacker with fists then are you really prepared to take his life by pulling the trigger? Many people have been killed with their own firearm bc they hesitated too much. When you take your gun home and clean it in your garage or wherever it might make you feel like Rambo and that you can take on the whole world. But it's an entirely different situation when you have to pull your piece during a violent confrontation. As mentioned above, some type of self defense course may be your best bet for a starting point. You need to be sure that you can remain calm enough to stay in control of your emotions and actions in a bad situation. It's okay to be scared. But it can be a bad situation when someone is completely terrified of confrontation and armed with a handgun.
 
Coming to terms with this unrelenting desire is a difficult one in a land where extreme leftism spills over from the New England states. Thoughts of gun ownership are equated to a mental pathology.

Your blaming New England for the problems where you live?

I live in a New England State and I carry a legal firearm. We not be perfect seeing we have our share of leftists. But they took over where you are completely so don't blame leftists here, apparently you have your own you need to worry about...

They may be leftists, but they're our leftists! :uhoh:
 
If you are unwilling to engage an attacker with fists then are you really prepared to take his life by pulling the trigger?

Uh... If that's a prime criteria, just wait until you get old enough to realize that a fistfight hurts, because if you're up against someone who doesn't realize that one simply -must- play by the rules, the first thing you'll notice is that you'll be on the ground with a boot in your face. Repeatedly.

I am unwilling to engage an attacker with fists.
 
I don`t know if you know this. Pepper spray is illegal for self defense in Canada.

JDoe, as an immigrant to Canada. I would like to help to do that.
 
and proceeded with what equates to the vehicular equivalent of a slow but powerful swing of a baseball bat. I can dodge it or be hit.

I dont follow that part? What did he actually do? (Just curious and sorry it's not gun related)

As for your situation.. I think your acting pretty rational about it.. You say you wouldnt pull a gun in that situation, (good) but would like to be prepared if something similar happens again and esculates to the point of fearing for your life.. So, I say do whatever ya need to do, to aquire a SD weapon..
 
We certainly won't be able to carry, I mean... ever, because here, 99% of the population is anti-gun (they don'y know what is a Ak, M16, shotgun, but here guns are "MÉCHANTS" (BAD) and that seems to be enough (stupid people).

Artiz. :) Once upon a time not so long ago in a country called Canada people were not restricted in acquiring, owning and carrying guns. Just a few decades ago it wasn't uncommon, during hunting season, to see pickup trucks with full gun racks in large Canadian cities.

As violent crime increases in Canada people will come to realize that the only beneficiaries of gun control are criminals and that will be the beginning of the end of gun control.

The only way I know for you to "carry" in your car, is when you are going to the range, and then your guns are in the back of your car, far away from your hands and everybody's hands.

That is not too far from where we are in California. Yes there are a few loopholes and a highly restrictive CCW system that I'm not going to discuss here but even in this Leftist controlled state there is a movement for relaxed gun laws that includes more and more people from all walks of life. Because of relatively few people we are closer to getting a shall issue CCW system in California than ever before.

All we are asking for is the natural right of self defense.

In Canada have a look at

Canadacarry.org with over 13,000 members. "born out of the strong desire of many law-abiding Canadians to have the option legally to carry a firearm for the defence of themselves and their loved ones in case of emergency."

CCW Canada

Canadians can easily get a Concealed Carry License from the State of Utah with a one day course. This is not valid in Canada but looks cool and can be used in certain U.S. States by a Canadian citizen lawfully in the U.S. and legally possessing a handgun.

Canadian Association for Self Defense

Self Defense World.ca

Edit: In Canada it is illegal to use pepper spray on people and one should never break the law. However it is legal to carry in case you need to ward off dogs or other potentially dangerous animals. :evil:
 
I found the Original Poster (OP) to have a very understandable feeling. Since feelings cannot be debated, they simply are, I will limit my response my thoughts on the occurrence.

1st I think those that act aggressively are frightened people, else they would be at peace with themselves and not a threat to anyone.

2nd the OP seems to me to have become frightened and wishes to arm himself as a means of recovering his peace and serenity.

3rd the OP poster seems to recognize that arming himself is not a sound solution for ameliorating such scenarios, though it might ameliorate his feelings.

I can relate with this and figure that most folks, including myself, would fall into this analysis. Inner peace, or fear, seem to be the two emotions that all human behavior is built upon. Both cannot exist simultaneously. We choose one, or the other.

Choosing fear results in my wanting a BIG weapon to defend myself. I carry a .44 magnum. Does the .44 magnum protect me from harm ? Yes and No I'm thinking, for the sudden, unexpected aggressor has the advantage, leaving me very little chance at self defense, while the awareness of pending assault allows for alternate causes of action to avoid the battle, or at the least hunker down in a defensive posture with a weapon I am skilled in use of.

I suspect it is the fear that allows the body to survive, and can certainly understand your desire for a firearm . If you survived, and you did, you did good. Will you always survive ? Only the 'Shadow' knows that answer, and he is not telling.

I think you done good and can certainly understand your desire for a firearm to protect yourself from real, or imagined fears. Someday I hope Canada wakes up to the realization that the authorities no longer have the ability to protect those they are charged with the duty to protect. Until then keep aware and avoiding wherever.
 
Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone!


Your blaming New England for the problems where you live?

I live in a New England State and I carry a legal firearm. We not be perfect seeing we have our share of leftists. But they took over where you are completely so don't blame leftists here, apparently you have your own you need to worry about...

They may be leftists, but they're our leftists!

Sorry, Roma, my bad. I chose some poor wording in trying to get my point across on what it is like to live in Canada. I take no issue with New England. I wanted to say that if leftism is more rampant the farther north you travel then imagine how rampant it must be north of NY state. The whole country has practically embraced what was taught to them by watching "Bowling for Columbine". Guns = Bad = Weak and Paranoid = Criminal, Low socio-economic element -- the list goes on

I hope this clears up my poor wording

HelplessCanadian, before getting a gun you should look for ways to gain self confidence first. If you are unwilling to engage an attacker with fists then are you really prepared to take his life by pulling the trigger? Many people have been killed with their own firearm bc they hesitated too much. When you take your gun home and clean it in your garage or wherever it might make you feel like Rambo and that you can take on the whole world. But it's an entirely different situation when you have to pull your piece during a violent confrontation. As mentioned above, some type of self defense course may be your best bet for a starting point. You need to be sure that you can remain calm enough to stay in control of your emotions and actions in a bad situation. It's okay to be scared. But it can be a bad situation when someone is completely terrified of confrontation and armed with a handgun.

True, I admit that my underlying emotional problem probably precludes myself as being an ideal gun owner -- even if I could do so legally

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and proceeded with what equates to the vehicular equivalent of a slow but powerful swing of a baseball bat. I can dodge it or be hit.
I dont follow that part? What did he actually do? (Just curious and sorry it's not gun related)

As for your situation.. I think your acting pretty rational about it.. You say you wouldnt pull a gun in that situation, (good) but would like to be prepared if something similar happens again and esculates to the point of fearing for your life.. So, I say do whatever ya need to do, to aquire a SD weapon..

Yeah, I realized the lack of clarity here. What I mean is that he pulled his pick up along side my car and proceeded the swerve heavily into my lane -- if I didn't swerve in unison and into oncoming traffic, he would have hit me for sure -- this violent and intentional behavior combined with the relatively minor value of my "offense" (all I did was pull quietly around him and the other driver that were blocking both lanes of traffic by engaging in conversation across lanes) are what distinguished the situation for me from other minor road skirmishes

Welcome to THR, stay safe, and I'll always welcome a fellow firearm enthusiast. We need as many as we can get.

Thanks! Relaying this to a crowd of understanding listeners has been very therapeutic.

2nd the OP seems to me to have become frightened and wishes to arm himself as a means of recovering his peace and serenity.

3rd the OP poster seems to recognize that arming himself is not a sound solution for ameliorating such scenarios, though it might ameliorate his feelings.

Thanks so much for this! This is precisely what I was trying to get across in my post.
 
more thoughts on this

I guess what I have always suffered from is an extremely heightened sense of self preservation.

Many posters here have said something to the effect "good job keeping safe". I find this attitude interesting. There seems to be no sense of shame here for not suddenly becoming a hollywood action-hero.

I struggle with the feeling of self-loathing for having been so shaken by the event when others seem to flourish in such situations.

I think everyone has friends or acquaintances that fit the following description: they will take on anyone at any time if they are being threatened. Not hot-heads, but just able to react in their own defense. Is it wrong to be so envious of these individuals? Even though the risk of bodily harm that they incur by standing up to anyone is way beyond what I figure I will ever be able to accept.

Again, I must emphasize that I do not walk around looking over my shoulder. Every decade or so, when a situation like this one comes up and real fear is experienced, I realize that I will never be the kind of guy that springs into action and righteously defends himself. Maybe I will change when I have children. The internal conflict comes when my own pride hurts after some low-life is able to cause me to fear for my life.

I guess what it comes down to is that I would like to continue my peaceful life knowing that I am not at the mercy of a dangerous individual -- that I can continue to be polite to my fellow man but not have to err so heavily on the side of caution that i can be trampled by everyone in order to not accidentally set off a loose canon. When it comes to other means of weaponless self-defense, I feel I would have to change my entire ideology and spend much of my time and effort honing my body and mind to achieve this goal -- Like J.Lo in that movie "Enough" ;)

I recently spent 40 days in the deep south of Texas. Maybe just wishful thinking, but everyone is surprisingly polite in traffic there.
 
HC, first off, welcome to The High Road. It's good to see our fellow neighbors. Secondly, it's very unfortunate what happened to you. Even as an American, I have great hope and desire for Canadians to be able to own guns and carry them more freely, such as down here. It might take a long time, but it might very well be possible.
 
Many posters here have said something to the effect "good job keeping safe". I find this attitude interesting. There seems to be no sense of shame here for not suddenly becoming a hollywood action-hero.

Do you believe everything you read on the Internet?
 
I live in a country with similar laws and attitudes, so I'd like to add a few things.

First, it would be great to have a gun, and if you cant have a gun, you can look for other alternatives, from baseball bats, pepperspray, knifes, and down to things that will always be legal like a sturdy ballpoint pen, an umbrella or a sturdy flashlight.
That however, doesn't really solve the problem, all of those are just tools. If you dont have the right mindset to fight back, you're starting at the wrong end, you're putting all your faith in an object.

As someone that's been in your position, I can tell you that the first thing you need to do is learn to fight, and this must be done by fighting. Join a martial arts class, or boxing or wrestling, but try to avoid the softer arts where you dont really get hit. If you havent experienced getting hit, the first time it happens in real life you will freeze, even if you have a gun in your hand. Fear does that to people if they havent been there before. Even a thug verbally abusing you can cause you to freeze, simply out of the possibility that he *might* hit you.

Will this training make you a badass that can beat down any thug? No it will not. What it will do is help you build confidence, that you can get hit and still fight on, and you can fight back. This will help you when a thug starts going after you with verbal abuse, since right now your impulse is probably to cover down and try to "look small" and try to find a place to hide from him.
When you've been in enough fights, even controlled sparrings, you will loose that instant fear, and your mind will keep working. (I've actually experienced that some thugs will back down if you just turn to them and look calm, instead of trying to shy away. )

Now, I agree with everyone else, the best thing is to avoid a fight, and dont leave a car to engage in a possible fistfight. Best way is always to avoid a fight, so even if you should have had an M16 in your car with you that day, you still did the right thing.
But it's better for you mentally to do so out of choice, and not out of fear for what might happen. Like you said, if you know you are helpless, it makes you feel useless and weak.

Once you get your confidence up, so you feel you dont *have* to back away from any fight but rather *choose* to do so, you can always add the right tool to aid you for the time you cant back down.
This could be a padlock, a knife, a sturdy pen, or even a gun.
But without the attitude and confidence to fight back, even having a gun wont make you feel better mentally. You might still be afraid of the time when you might have to use it.

This is ofcourse just the mental aspect of it. It's always better if you can have a gun or some other weapon to be able to defend yourself properly. I see no point in being forced into a fistfight with a gang of thugs just because I dont have any other legal option. But that will take some changes in the laws of our countries.


Another thing, about the road rage issue and no witnesses. If you feel this might be a problem some other time, you can find some great cameras online that you put on the dashboard of your car, the size of a cellphone. It will record constantly, and keep the last 8hours or so on a memorycard. That way you will have a record of what happened if you should need it. If so, the camera would probably have paid for itself.
 
there is no shame in fear

IT's how you perform when afraid that counts.

The way I see it, you successfully avoided any interaction that would have resulted in injury to either party. That is the real goal of all CWP holders as I see it. You'll find that having a weapon (as a mature individual) makes you more likely to run away and try even harder to avoid confrontation. Confrontation can mean someone doesn't go home when you carry a firearm and have to use it. This is what I keep in mind all the time when I carry. I find I am nicer and more likely to yield the right of way and let people act the fool and I just smile and let them pass.

It seems that something as Hook said, as far a "peace" has been taken from you. Don't think that this has somehow immasculated you or made you small. You performed well and handled both your temper and you vehicle well. Don't let this be about him winning because he invoked an emotion in you. You won because he didn't get you to act on your fear and emotions.
 
I think Hook686 hit it right on the head.
2nd the OP seems to me to have become frightened and wishes to arm himself as a means of recovering his peace and serenity.

3rd the OP poster seems to recognize that arming himself is not a sound solution for ameliorating such scenarios, though it might ameliorate his feelings.

This is a PERFECTLY NORMAL train of thought to go through.
 
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