Anti-gun folks promote 'swatting' legal gun owners who are out in the public

[usmarine0352_2005]

Swatting is the act of tricking an emergency service (via such means as hoaxing an emergency services dispatcher) into dispatching an emergency response based on the false report of an ongoing critical incident.

It's extremely dangerous because law enforcement can arrive at someone's residence on the auspices that there is a danger crime going on and that someone's life is in danger such as swatting someone's home and telling them that someone is being murdered there. The police could end up arriving and killing someone.

Now, the anti-gunners want to swat legal gun owners on the street and hope that police will waste their time and or harm them.


The reason this one is different is because with all of the publicity of the mass shootings police will most likely take this seriously and the caller (anti-gun person) won't get in trouble because it's different then swatting someone's house when you can tell that is a 'prank' (a very dangerous prank).

People who've got caught swatting homes have been charged with crimes in the past. I disagree with Pratt from the article because I don't see that people swatting lawful gun owners will be charged with filing a false police report as there is so much, "See it, call on it" that is pushed on civilians from police these days because of terrorists and mass shooters.



However, this could be extremely dangerous for law enforcement and legal gun owners, especially with today's climate of the real threat of homegrown terror and the anti-police murderers.



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/0...permit-holders-putting-lives-at/?intcmp=hpbt4

Gun control groups accused of ‘swatting’ open-carry permit holders, putting lives at risk

By Perry ChiaramontePublished September 01, 2015

Second Amendment groups are accusing the gun control lobby of putting law-abiding owners of firearms in danger by urging people to call the police on anyone carrying a gun in public. As more states relax rules about open-carrying of guns, the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence has taken to social media to urge the public to assume gun-toters are trouble, and to call the cops on anyone they feel may be a threat.

“If you see someone carrying a firearm in public—openly or concealed—and have ANY doubts about their intent, call 911 immediately and ask police to come to the scene,” the group wrote on its widely followed Facebook page. “Never put your safety, or the safety of your loved ones, at the mercy of weak gun laws that arm individuals in public with little or no criminal and/or mental health screening.”

Pratt agreed, and said people who call the police without legitimate reason should be charged. “They would likely be the ones arrested for filing a false report,” he said. “And we are certainly hoping that would be the case.”

 

[TruthTellers]

I think with the recent shootings the past few weeks, as long as it's not a dark skinned man, the police won't care much. Here's how I see this call going:

Caller: Operator? I'm filling up my tank and see a man with a concealed weapon, can you send police?

911: Could you describe the man please?

Caller: White male

*hangup*

Caller: Hello?

 

[Ed Ames]

What do you mean anti-gunners?

We had more than one poster in a recent thread suggest that a "reasonable" response to a customer at a gun store pointing a gun they were considering buying at other customers would be calling the police to report, "man with gun, pointing it at people."

 

[hso]

The VA poloce have been dealing with calls on OCers for a few years without incident. As long as the Anti calling doesn't fabricate a lie about the behavior of the person OCing I expect the police to respond as if the are dealing with an open carry instance.

 

[Walkalong]

And if they do lie about what a legal carrier is doing, they should be sued, that would slow this sort of thing up. Likely they are smarter than that though.

 

[DoubleMag]

Post #5 hit it again. Although lawsuit would be a secondary concern to a person charged with a crime. Just about all calls can be traced, and otherwise these groups are looking for notoriety and will 'blab.'

 

[627PCFan]

Northern VA police seem to have this under control. They sit back, observe the OC'er and if nothing seems suspicious they leave.

Also the 911 operators seem to be trained. I have heard a 911 recording from a local call of a man OC'ing a grocery store. The 911 operator asked a few basic questions, description, behavior, was the gun holstered ect...very professional. She then relayed that no laws were broken to the caller and the call was ended. IRC the caller was from out of state(my guess MD).

OC does not cause a reason for PC or RAS.

 

[JSH1]

With the recent spike in mass shootings I wonder why people would be nervous and call police when see a guy walking into a store with a rifle?

 

[Kaeto]

OC does not cause a reason for PC or RAS.

Tell that to the Grand Rapids, Mi man who was walking down the street when a cop approached him with gun out and aimed. Then put him face down on the ground in the middle of winter.

 

[jrdolall]

JSH is a firm believer that gun control should apply to everyone but him. Where are the pictures of people that AREN'T being idiots and flaunting their rights to carry? Look at a picture of any city in America and you will see many people that carry guns legally, mostly concealed.
But of course that doesn't work with his agenda.

 

[Kaeto]

I open carry a handgun all summer and I've never had a problem.

 

[JSH1]

JSH is a firm believer that gun control should apply to everyone but him. Where are the pictures of people that AREN'T being idiots and flaunting their rights to carry? Look at a picture of any city in America and you will see many people that carry guns legally, mostly concealed.

Carry concealed and no one should know you have a gun. No one is going to call the police to come check you out. Open carry a handgun in a holster and in most areas no one is going to give you a second look. Carry a AR-15 into a Starbucks and you are going to freak a lot of people out. Purposely scaring people is not helpful.

But of course that doesn't work with his agenda.

My "agenda" is nationwide concealed carry reciprocity. Gun owners acting like idiots in public places does not help that goal.

 

[jerkface11]

Calling the police on people who aren't breaking the law is idiotic.

 

[dogtown tom]

JSH1 With the recent spike in mass shootings I wonder why people would be nervous and call police when see a guy walking into a store with a rifle?

In your first picture the man on the far right in the white fedora is Kory Watkins from the Open Carry Texas movement.

He's done more to harm gun rights in Texas than help. Why is he open carrying a rifle through Target? Because his criminal past prohibits him from carrying a concealed handgun.

He's trash.

 

[MEHavey]

People as shown in Post#8 are doing themselves (and the rest of us) no favors at all.

 

[TimSr]

People as shown in Post#8 are doing themselves (and the rest of us) no favors at all.

Agreed. Not an image to sway anybody's undecided opinon in a favorable way.

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

...the man on the far right in the white fedora is Kory Watkins from the Open Carry Texas movement.

I'm sure it's just a trick of the light... but it really looks like he peed his shorts. Which is fitting for him.

 

[JSH1]

Washington State Capitol building earlier this year. This was was perfectly legal at the time (it isn't now).



How would you react if this guy showed up at the doorway to the store / restaurant that you were in?

 

[Sunray]

Slander aside, is filing a false police/emergency services report/call not a crime in most States?

 

[4thPointOfContact]

Yes, yes it is.
In the long run, the anti-gunners could actually be shooting themselves in the foot, so to speak. So long as open carry is rare and "scary" the police are going to respond as though something scary is actually going on. When officers start getting dispatched daily to something that is a non-event, they'll eventually come to the conclusion that they're just going on another citizen's 'hysterical report of something perfectly legal' (barring further descriptors of illegal conduct.)

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

I think with the recent shootings the past few weeks, as long as it's not a dark skinned man, the police won't care much. Here's how I see this call going:

Caller: Operator? I'm filling up my tank and see a man with a concealed weapon, can you send police?

911: Could you describe the man please?

Caller: White male

*hangup*

Caller: Hello?

Wrong. And racist. If it's a blackman stop him, if he's white the police won't care?



Wow.



And police will always check it out if it's a dispatched call. They are required too.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Wrong. And racist. If it's a blackman stop him, if he's white the police won't care?



Wow.

And wow it is. They did check on the white guy, but that was about it. The black guy was not so lucky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvW_zBvJlsA

 

[old lady new shooter]

My personal reaction to the scenarios:

- Anybody concealed carrying a handgun, no problem.

- Somebody open carrying either a handgun or a long gun in a rural area, no problem if they're not doing anything else that looks dangerous.

- Somebody (other than a SWAT team responding to an incident) open carrying a long gun in an urban environment, I would be extremely uncomfortable.

- Somebody other than LEO open carrying a handgun in an urban area, not sure how I feel about it, would partly depend on everything else about the person and their behavior. One problem is there may be another person who decides the open carrier is a threat and tries to do something about it. Another problem is of course somebody getting the bright idea that taking the open carrier's weapon would be a good way to acquire a firearm, I think there was a case just like that in a Wal-Mart not too long ago, the guy just forgot his concealment garment, afterwards he said he'd never open carry again.

 

[old lady new shooter]

list of organizations supporting this

bearingarms has an article about this today (http://bearingarms.com/church-sponsored-gun-control-group-puts-lives-citizens-risk/) where they provide an exact list of all the organizations who have signed on to this idea, everybody should check out the list to see if there are any to which we have some kind of connection so that they might read a communication from us on this topic.

 

[Lord Teapot]

With the recent spike in mass shootings I wonder why people would be nervous and call police when see a guy walking into a store with a rifle?

what spike? mass shootings, and shootings, are down. you need to look up some real stats jsh, i don't know where you get your information, but it is not in this reality. i always see you posting nonsense that can be dis proven with 3 seconds of research.


http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/mass-shootings-rise-us/story?id=17978004


"the facts say clearly that there has been no increase in mass killings, and certainly no epidemic"