ATF declares a 14 inch shoe string a machinegun

[Acera]

So HO88 you think that the homemade device that the criminal used to convert his semi auto into a functioning machine gun is OK??

Well that is your opinion and I guess you are entitled to it, no matter how misguided (my opinion) it is.

I hope the laws change. I would love to be able to construct some lightning links and the like. But I don't, because it is illegal and I support the folks that are trying to get these things off the streets.

The tax payers never payed him to do that

OK, so who did??

The following statement is one I take offense to. It is not the criminals fault, it's the government. WOW,

its the goverment which has gotten out of control.
Its absurd, its stupid, its typical of what our goverment has turned into...........

I am sure he had a bad childhood and his mother never loved him, etc................

 

[H088]

But I don't, because it is illegal and I support the folks that are trying to get these things off the streets.

Things off the streets? What are you even talking about? You want all semi-autos off the streets? Clearly the M1 Grand with a shoestring attached is used in millions of crimes ever-day.

OK, so who did??

The goverment.

btw, nice editing of a reply

 

[Acera]

Clearly the M1 Grand with a shoestring attached

Uh, Look again..... That appears to be a Mini 14.

That was once a semi auto, it was converted to a fully automatic weapon. No different, in theory, from what the gang bangers are doing with their AK's, MAC's and other weapons that are illegally converted.

btw, nice editing of a reply

Thanks, it posted differently that what I meant, good thing about that edit function.

 

[redneckrepairs]

Old news ,( no i did not bother to read either the op or the responses ) All i can say is that if and when Heller comes down on the side of gun owners stand by for even more radical atf administrative rules . I happen to own a mini mill and a mini lathe with access to a bigger lathe , this i suppose could make me " in possession " under the atf rules which stipulate that if you own a semi auto and the parts/ability/intent to convert same you have the machine gun . Well folk i have the parts , and the means on a big set of semis , and from prosecutions nowadays i am not confident that they wont just pitch intent out the window . Now for myself i use my little lathe to " miss true " some pistol parts , and use my Mill to " miss build " other general gunparts where i have a broken part in hand , or simply cannot find one . As of now i am looking for a real cheap tig welder to assist me in my mis adventures in gunsmithing , but so far am getting by fine with more conventional methods . However me and other farmers have a " machine shop " just like you city guys have an explosives shopping list frm what they would pull from under your sink lol . Hey one lathe in the dad in laws shop will support 18, 000 pounds thro the jaws ( no i have not run same ) but you can do a couple of things with such a lathe , you can build cannons , or you can build tractors . I have no idea what such a lathe would be worth as it is worthless to me . hell i would give more for his 60" bed and tooling lol . None the less i assure you due to where we live , and the past history of our area , if he is found to have said lathe he will be added to the home grown terr list simply because the tools and metalshop are there . its " constructive possession "

 

[H088]

That was once a semi auto, it was converted to a fully automatic weapon. No different from what the gang bangers are doing with their AK's, MAC's and other weapons that are illegally converted.

Because we all know a shoestring is the cause of all crime problems, and deaths.

Millions of gangbangers use shoestrings everyday to manifest havoc throughout our cities...................

It has no useful purpose beyond entertainment, anyone who would actually use it for combat would be an idiot.

I also don't see why full autos should be banned from a citizen wanting to own them but that conversation is for another thread.

 

[Acera]

HO88 I agree, citizens ought to be able to own fully automatic weapons. But that is not the topic.

Because we all know a shoestring is the cause of all crime problems, and deaths.

Millions of gangbangers use shoestrings everyday to manifest havoc throughout our cities...................

Why would anyone say that? Let me explain bullets come out of guns, not shoestrings Now many of them have an idea of how to do it, thanks to the guy who came up with that.

It has no useful purpose beyond entertainment

I can think of a lot of things like this that are illegal. Does not make them acceptable behavior.

anyone who would actually use it for combat would be an idio

What do you want to bet it could be good for a drive by? So what if is a cheap POS, it was what it did, not how it did it. If you kill your wife with a spoon from you Wendy's Frostie, does that not count as a crime, because it was a spoon?? (If you want to know how to make a knife out of a plastic spoon check out the TDCJ prison museum in Huntsville, TX) He use a shoestring to commit a crime, plain and simple.

 

[H088]

It shouldn't be a crime, which is my point.

 

[Acera]

Quote:
OK, so who did??
The goverment.

Are you a U.S. Citizen? You don't list anything under your profile, that is not an assault, just a question. If not you might now know how the U.S. Government is funded. I could explain that if it is not covered in you countries education process.

 

[H088]

Your bull****ting your self if you think the citizens really have control of what the goverment does, we are forced to give money to the goverment, its not something we do willingly.

That guy is payed by the goverment, not the citizens

 

[Acera]

It shouldn't be a crime, which is my point.

Ok, now I understand. Why did you not state that earlier that you feel that converting semi automatic firearms to fully automatic machine guns should be the prerogative of everyone. Then it becomes a question of changing the laws to allow such things. Like I said earlier, I would love to be able to legally do that.

 

[Acera]

Your bull****ting your self if you think the citizens really have control of what the goverment does, we are forced to give money to the goverment, its not something we do willingly.

That guy is payed by the goverment, not the citizens

Nonsensical argument by people who don't feel in control of their lives and believe the rhetoric of fatalistic losers.
Come on you can do better than that.


Remember,

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

That guy is payed by the goverment, not the citizens

btw it is paid, not payed. lol

 

[H088]

Nonsensical argument by people who don't feel in control of their lives and believe the rhetoric of fatalistic losers.
Come on you can do better than that.

Keep believing what you want, you have no real control over the goverment.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

What this country should be and what this country is are two completely different things.

 

[Acera]

Keep believing what you want, you have no real control over the goverment.

You are wrong on that. Please change you mind. It's attitudes like that that foster non participation in the process. By not doing anything, then you can take no responsibility for what happens to you. Heller is one man, and look at the anticipation in the outcome of his court case on these boards.

I am a member of a representative democracy, and as such I have access to a wide variety of options to express my concerns. There are two Senators from this great state, and numerous members of the House of Representatives. They respond to my letters, e-mails, and on a couple of occasions phone calls. They actually work for me as a tax payer, voter, citizen.

I also have the freedom to have literary works published in a variety of sources from newspaper's editorials, internet forums, published books, and others as protected by the 1st amendment.

Not only do I choose the legislative branch through my votes, I also elect the people who represent me in the Executive Branch!

Guess what, I also elect a lot of local judges.

Compared to most places on this earth, we have is so good.

HO88 please, please don't give up. One person can make a difference. Do something tonight, write you local congressman and express your concern about HR-1022. That is not dead yet, and I am sure you, as I am, am concerned about another gun control bill. Do something, don't be a quitter.

 

[H088]

Ever wonder how we got our two current front running candidates? I can promise they weren't picked by the majority, they each had large financial backings by certain individuals and companies looking to further there own interests.

 

[Acera]

The thousands of volunteers that helped in the campaigns had nothing to do with that? What about the hundreds of thousands who voted in the primaries? (From looking at the candidates, I think big business would have done better. )


Go ahead and give up, it makes it easier for you to blame you troubles on someone else. Go ahead and do what you want in your basement with a shoestring. You will not believe it's your fault when you get arrested, must be government out of control.

If you don't like this country, then don't move here (you have not said where you are from, and lack of understanding of basic political science, I assume elsewhere.). If you live here, try to find a better place.

Like the country singer Steve Earl said: "If you don't vote, don't bitch."

I wish he would modify that to if you don't participate, don't bitch. But that probably would be lost on his audience, lol.

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

Its typically considered poor form to resurrect two year old posts unless perhaps its an update to a court case or similar.

Agreed. Closed.