Being mean to friends......

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Was getting frisky with them fingers to, remember dad showing me real young what putting your fingers next to the cylinder will do. Fired next to a shag bark hickory tree, blew a lot of bark off. This kid will now learn to hold the gun out and have a firmer grip. Lot of people getting hit on the island with guns, must be the altitude lol.
 
Nope, hes shot that gun before, did pretty well with it too......never occurred to me he would try holding it like that after having used it....
Hes been told why putting his hand infront of the cylinder is a bad idea. An object lesson might be in order.

Glasses, hat, heavy gun...seemed safe enough to let him punch himself.
 
When the guy said don't put your finger in front of the cylinder he should have told him why. Or at least showed him why so he never does it again.
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Excellent point, and a lesson that I learned at 10. My 5 year old brother and I were visiting an Uncles home who owned a few horses and cattle. There was an electric fence near his house and I knew what it was, my brother didn't. I pointed to the wire and said "don't touch that wire".

I had no more than turned around when he started screaming. He had grabbed the wire and couldn't let go. I pulled him off the wire and scolded him for not doing as I had told him. While fighting back tears he replied, "but you didn't say why."

I've always tried to remember that. I realize that some of my posts can get long at times, but I usually try to provide the why, not just the what when posting.
 
I typically cover thumb crossover for semi-automatics or the cylinder gap for revolvers during initial familiarization, along with all the other functions of the firearm in question as well as basic technique; No one is taking a shot without loading and unloading the firearm and demonstrating basic technique and sight alignment, etc. prior to live fire. Based on how that guy was shooting that revolver, I feel like he could have been better prepared by his mentor on what to do, what to expect, and how to perform the shooting operations properly.

I hate to see videos of shooters embarrassing themselves where it's implied the person operating the camera is in on the joke... Like, why didn't you help your friend?
 
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I typically cover thumb crossover for semi-automatics or the cylinder gap for revolvers during initial familiarization, along with all the other functions of the firearm in question as well as basic technique; No one is taking a shot without loading and unloading the firearm and demonstrating basic technique and sight alignment, etc. prior to live fire. Based on how that guy was shooting that revolver, I feel like he could have been better prepared by his mentor on what to do, what to expect, and how to perform the shooting operations properly.

I hate to see videos of shooters embarrassing themselves where it's implied the person operating the camera is in on the joke... Like, why didn't you help your friend?
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Weve gone thru familiarization, hes fired probably 100+ rounds from that gun, all standing and mostly at cans or other similarly sizes stuff at 20-30yds. Ive never seen him try shoot it like that before, and yes i found it amusing to let him learn the physics of it on his own considering the amount of stuff that was between his face and the gun (only had 3 rounds in the gun, he fired two before crouching).....mean yes, believe me, he'll get me back.....
Someone else, including the person who shot it immediately before him ( who got the full run down also) would likely have gotten a warning....or a more obvious warning than my comment at the start of the video.

After that shot we also went over options for how to shoot supported while sitting, since i havent got a clue how to support and comfortably shoot a revolver while kneeling since I never shoot like that.

To be honest Ill show people how I hold the gun and what works for me, but beyond basic safety stuff and general mechanics of the firearm, i dont try and teach anything.
Ive never had anyone to teach me or correct any of my mistakes, in all likely hood anything more in-depth I tried to teach would very possibly be wrong.
 
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To me, I can't think of a reason, excuse, whatever where that is not a total jerk move.....and I am being kind with that language.

If that is my hardware, and you are going to do that with it, full stop no you are not. You want to stick a 12g shotgun on your nose and pull a trigger that is on you, as long as you do it with YOUR shotgun and I am not there.
 
I tried, (key word tried) to teach a fellow how to shoot a semiautomatic .22. It was a Ruger MK II. He kept trying to put the back of it about 2" from his eye to aim. I repeatidly kept stopping him from pulling the trigger for about 10 minutes, finally gave up, put it away and went back to the .22 rifle for the rest of the range session. He was not happy but I was not going to be responsible for a lost eye regardless of having saftey glasses on when he tried this stunt. Never took him shooting again either.
 
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I tried, (key word tried) to teach a fellow how to shoot a semiautomatic .22. It was a Ruger MK II. He kept trying to put the back of it about 2" from his eye to aim. I repeatidly kept stopping him from pulling the trigger for about 10 minutes, finally gave up, put it away and went back to the .22 rifle for the rest of the range session. He was not happy but I was not going to be responsible for a lost eye regardless of having saftey glasses on when he tried this stunt. Never took him shooting again either.
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Believe it or not there are people out there that have no business with a gun.....nothing wrong with that, I have no business doing brain surgery.

With me and new people I try to give basics, sight picture, basic hold it this way, look that way kind of thing. I have found by a huge majority that men are the biggest pain in the ___ to try to teach something to, and if that thing you are teaching is "macho" good god check your eago at the door please. You are here with me so that is a good sign you know less about this then I do....so listen to me please.

I am also real big on the why's. In your example I would give the why.....you might loose an eye. Not you might get a bump on your head, something real. Sometimes it is hard, well the action on the rifle is closer why can't this be closer. You are there to educate, and that can take many forms as well.
 
In my teenage years we would screw around and sneak a slug or turkey load into a shotgun if we knew it wouldn't 100% hurt the person. My buddy had an old, single shot 12ga and kept bragging how he could shoot it 1 handed. Well when he decided to do that I slipped a rifled slug in the gun and handed it to him. He snapped the gun shut with one hand and let it rip. You should have seen the look on his face when that shotgun flipped out of his hand.

Your buddy didn't get hurt, he did nothing unsafe, I've actually been told its good to give a new shooter a revolver and have them dry fire until it goes bang to eliminate them anticipating the bang.
 
A good friend of mine, now deceased, lived in Webster Springs, West Virginia. Every deer season I would visit and we would go hunting. His girlfriend had a mouth larger than the all outdoors. She bragged how all West Virginia woman were great shooters and could shoot anything handgun. My sidearm was my S&W Model 29 which she kept telling me she could shoot. So I handed my friend the revolver and he walked her down to the river. I hear bang, another bang then a third bang followed by a scream which scared the hell outta me. Up walks her and Herman with her forehead bleeding and a chunk of flesh on my gun's hammer. The first two bangs were him, the third and final was her. Worst part was she dropped the gun when it bounced off her head. So much for her revolver skills.

Ron
 
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Reminds me of scope cuts over the eye, of which I had one from the first CF scoped rifle I eve fired when I was 17 or so. Scar finally went away.

A friend of mine had a .22 Mag derringer, fired it with his index finger along the length of the barrel.


I wasn't there when he did it, but when I saw the bandages, grilling him under hot lights revealed that the muzzle blast lifted his fingernail up off the flesh and the doctor removed most of the nail.sticking up off his finger.

Recovery was slow, and because of the bandages, he had to use his social finger as a trigger finger, so he quit shooting for a couple of weeks.

He said, in his defense, that he figured the little derringer would point better with his finger along the barrel rather than using the tiny sights.

I would make a guess that the exit pressure of a .22 Mag in that short barrel was around 3000 PSI. I welcome correction if someone has an accurate number.

Terry, 230RN
 
Quoting one of my posts from 6+ years ago ...
A (country) girl that worked for me came back from vacation with a partially-healed crescent-shaped scar above her eyebrow.

In response to my raised eyebrow she said, "Beer".

All I needed to know ... :)

She and few cousins had decided that after getting lit up would be a good time to do some target shooting on the farm. One of them handed her his new hunting rifle to try.

Hasn't (yet) happened to me, probably because I have always much preferred shooting over irons.
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:)
 
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Reminds me of scope cuts over the eye, of which I had one from the first CF scoped rifle I eve fired when I was 17 or so. Scar finally went away.
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I forgot about those. :) My neighbors son-in-law originally from Texas likes visiting because he and I get in range trips. Really a good kid, then too at my age anyone under 40 I see as a kid. So last summer while they were visiting we did a range trip and the kid knew recoil and eye relief. Big guy with meaty shoulders. I dragged along my 7mm Remington Magnum and he got a few good shots right before he got a little too close. The scope nailed him pretty good. I hope they make it up again this summer as I like this kid. :)

Ron
 
^ Left eye? And he's holding the rifle like a right-hander?

Looks to me like he had his thumb up when firing and recoil made him stick his right thumb in his left eyebrow.

Not "Crescent Club" qualification. However, there is a "Dumb Thumb" organization to which he can apply. It's affiliated with the "M1 Thumb" organization.

Terry, 230RN
 
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^ Left eye? And he's holding the rifle like a right-hander?

Looks to me like he had his thumb up when firing and recoil made him stick his right thumb in his left eyebrow.

Not "Crescent Club" qualification. However, there is a "Dumb Thumb" organization to which he can apply. It's affiliated with the "M1 Thumb" organization.

Terry, 230RN
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I'm not actually sure what he did. I wasn't watching lol.

I looked over to " AHHH she bit me"...... Or something like that anyway...

He's right hand, right eye. I put the Leopold on that gun specifically to avoid that situation. The GPO that was on there would come back and touch me pretty regularly.

I'm also pretty sure he shot that gun with the GPO on it and didn't scope himself so I'm not exactly sure what happened there..... Heck he might have tried to shoot left-handed.

That picture was taken a few minutes later after his girlfriend stuck the piece of toilet paper on his head..... So obviously he didn't quit shooting it lol
 
230RN said:
Not "Crescent Club" qualification. However, there is a "Dumb Thumb" organization to which he can apply. It's affiliated with the "M1 Thumb" organization.

Terry, 230RN
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I believe I can apply to that one too. I gave myself a bloody nose putting my thumb over the top of the thumbhole stock on my 7 and 1/2 lb 300 win mag.
 
Personally , if that were my gun I would not have let that guy shoot it with that grip.
It looked apparent that the shooter was somewhat out of his experience/comfort zone; I believe that a person who lends a gun to someone like that has some degree of responsibility for the situation.
 
LoonWulf said:
I believe I can apply to that one too. I gave myself a bloody nose putting my thumb over the top of the thumbhole stock on my 7 and 1/2 lb 300 win mag.
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Heh. As I say, if the gun weighed the same as the bullet, it would be just a dangerous behind it as in front of it.

Ike Newton pointed that out a long time ago in one of his books.

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Good ole Ike. Bit of a hippy, though.

Terry, 230RN

REF:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophiæ_Naturalis_Principia_Mathematica
The Principia forms the foundation of classical mechanics. Among other achievements, it explains Johannes Kepler's laws of planetary motion, which Kepler had first obtained empirically.
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Years ago when I was a teen I decided to hold the barrel of my Dad’s S&W K22 when trying on a bet to hit a penny at about 30 yards. I don’t recall the ammo but I do recall it was hotter than our usual fare of Wildcats and Yellow Jackets.
My Dad said “Don’t hold it like that. Get your hand behind the face if that cylinder. It’ll burn you.”
I didn’t listen and fired.
He was right. It burned me. :)
I wasn’t badly burned but it stung and it sure taught me not to do that again. My wrist had a nice red patch for a day. I am glad it was only a .22 and not a larger cartridge.
 
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