Buddy Involved in Shooting

[Sox]

Gang,

I am writing this just for the general interest and some perspectives. My regular gun shop is kinda a hangout for a lot of us guys. We shoot, train, cut up etc. This one guy Bill always asks me all these different scenarios and what I think about so and so caliber's effectiveness etc. I guess because I'm in medicine. The other night I thought damn man you can only pick it apart to such detail and the rest is academic.

He discloses: "when I got robbed my nine did just fine." This opened the door. Long story short, he got car jacked and was pistol whipped with a revolver. He was able to pin the guys arm to the cab ceiling, draw his G26 and he fired 3 rounds COM. The dude broke off contact dove out the door, while Bill accelerated away.

The assailant died. I was curious as to how he actually felt, second guesses etc. and the actual aftermath itself. His insight I found most valuable. He said little guns don't even come into the equation for him now. He used to consider .380 pocket guns etc. He said, had I a pocket gun, never would have gotten to it! He carries a full size grip weapon now as he said he almost wasn't able to get a grip on his G26. He quit firing when the guy jumped out. He was unable to discern if he was stopped or simply broke off contact. It didn't matter, he was out of the vehicle! The police questioned him with the same line of questions multiple times, walked him to his car said good luck and that was the last of it for 45 days when the investigation was finally complete.

His thoughts are summed up like this: It happened so quick, he didn't see it coming, much more vigilant now! Carries a 9mm for one handed controllability and it's cheaper to practice. Likes full size guns gun more due to ease of handling.

It just opened my eyes a bit and so I pass this little tidbit along in hopes it may help.

 

[mortablunt]

That's fascinating to hear.

 

[sidheshooter]

Reasonably happy ending to a bad situation, it sounds like. Glad he's OK; glad he didn't end up with the often-predicted dire legal bills, and glad you posted the story.

 

[barstoolguru]

He used to consider .380 pocket guns etc. He said, had I a pocket gun, never would have gotten to it! He carries a full size grip weapon now as he said he almost wasn't able to get a grip on his G26. He quit firing when the guy jumped out.

One thing we here over and over is the loss of motor skills when in a high stress situation. So the real question is did he have a loss of motor skills and/or the inability to get to his gun because someone was on top of him in a car?

 

[Sox]

Fumbling from either reason is just that- fumbling , the reason is immaterial. He found a solution for him that I think is sound the more I got to thinking about it.

I think S&W had something back in the 80's with their "SSV" models!

 

[barstoolguru]

Fumbling from either reason is just that- fumbling , the reason is immaterial. He found a solution for him that I think is sound the more I got to thinking about it.

I think S&W had something back in the 80's with their "SSV" models!

So you think changing the gun is going to make the draw faster? When you go for a gun and have to hold someone’s arm while grabbing for your own gun is difficult even in an open carry while sitting in a car. What I am in awww about is he is going from a gun that has no external safety to one that does. How is that better?

 

[paramedic70002]

In this scenario, arguably a revolver would be preferred. Less chance getting the slide bound up on clothing if you're going for a contact shot. A hold off shot has the potential to shoot yourself when you're in the middle of a confined space grapple. Did he say how long ago it happened? Did they confiscate his gun, and how long did he wait to get it back?

 

[Manson]

I carry on my right hip. With the seat belt on it goes over my gun. In Florida I can carry on my person or in a glove box. Anything with a door. I've been looking for a handier solution that is still within the law.

There has to be a better way for situations like this one.

 

[barstoolguru]

there is one and I know there are others that give some ideas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnI93BR7Rj8&list=PL631FBA4D8819D469&index=31&feature=plpp_video

 

[Loosedhorse]

He said, had I a pocket gun, never would have gotten to it

My experience with pocket guns is different: they allow one to have a grip on the gun, inconspicuously, while it remains concealed. That's pretty ready.

For someone like a cabby who spends a lot of time seated in a confined postition, I would not recommend pocket carry or "kidney" area carry. Shoulder and ankle holsters work better for that, as do car-mounted holsters (if he owns his own cab). Mitch Rosen even makes a dedicated anti-carjacking holster.

The police questioned him with the same line of questions multiple times

Standard technique. It is fortunate that he had the mental wherewithal to keep the story correct through many retellings. Had he varied it (which to me would be understandable given the stress he'd been under, and the memory distortion that stress can cause), they might have concluded he was lying.

I personally would keep any statement to officers minimal, and not repeat. Any details they get after I've consulted with my lawyers.

he didn't see it coming

Why would an attacker attack you if you see it coming? Expect that when you are attacked, it will be because you didn't see it coming.

 

[Manson]

Thanks for the vid Guru.

 

[sonick808]

Thanks for the post. I had someone scale my balcony to try and get to the mountain bikes, and I was fumbling all over the place trying to pick up my glock, and this was a model 23. I think you could fumble just about any weapon in a fight or flight situation. I was able to drive them away with noise, no confrontation, but my muscles and mindset went completely loopy. I need to find a way to afford some weekly or bi weekly training

 

[robmkivseries70]

Here's to the fumbling part, any new martial artist will feel extremely awkward. The muscles will have the wrong tension on either side of a joint. This is due to the stress and adrenalin flow. These things can be trained away into smooth controlled motions. I used to teach M.A. and can attest to the notion that practice under stress can train one for a coordinated response. Lots of practice is needed. Please remember,"perfect practice makes perfect"
Best,
Rob