California Legal Handguns?

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Maverick_52

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I recently accepted a position in California and have to move soon. I own many handguns including a bersa firestorm, ruger .380, Glock 19 Gen 3, Taurus .45, Glock 22 Gen 4 and Glock 31 Gen 4. I've reviewed the California safe gun list and read many different forums but I am not comfortable with the information as it seems to contridict itself at times. 1. Are Glock's legal in CA? 2. There seems to be disagreement on Question 1 but some say yes with the exception of Gen 4 Glock's (So, if Glocks are legal then are Gen 4's legal)? 3. Does there have to be locks on the weapons approved by CA. 4. How do I transport them into CA? 5. I reload my ammo. Is that legal in CA? Are there storage regs on the components? Is it legal to transport the components of relaoding into CA?

I realize that is a lot of questions but I could use someone with CA expertise to help me out. Thanks.
 
It takes many pages to explain CA's gun laws. I hope the job is really, really worth living under the oppressive atmosphere in CA. I left the state in 1992 in utter frustration.

The CA DOJ site lists all of the approved handguns. No magazines over 10 rounds are legal. Anyone in CA who owned a gun that is not listed is graciously permitted by the Gun Nazis in Sacramento to keep it but I don't know what the situation is with relocating into the state and bringing the gun with you. Once there you must register all pistols and pay $15 (last I heard) for each one.

Being a gun owner in CA is awful, expensive, and mind numbing. I wish you the best but I suspect you will be miserable.
 
It takes many pages to explain CA's gun laws.

He brings his guns with him unloaded and in a locked case or locked in the trunk. He fills out a form and pays $19 for each handgun and sends it in to California DOJ. The CA safe handgun list does not apply. Leave magazines over 10 rounds capacity behind.

Not that hard, not exactly pages taken to explain. 4 sentences.

Only 6 paragraphs to explain by the California Department of Justice themselves:
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/ab991.php
 
I've also heard that you can't own a gun without an external safety. That's why the question about the glocks and the ruger. Why does the CA safe handgun list not apply?
 
Thanks. I'm just trying to make sure I follow the regs. I'm currently in SC and although i'm not a fan of that state I'll say that they are much more sane about guns than CA. I'm also a concealed weapons permit holder and feel that all legal law abiding citizens should be allowed to carry and CA seems to be really restricting on that note as well.

Thanks for the info.
 
The CA DOJ approved list for handgun sales does not apply to people moving to CA.

You can legally bring any handgun, that is not considered a prohibited firearm (assault weapon, SBR, SBS, MG), with you to CA. [PC 12001(n)]
Within 60 days of establishing residency in CA, you will need to register all the handguns you brought with you. [PC 12072(f)(2)(A)]
This is done by sending in a New Resident Handgun Ownership Report with $19 per handgun to CA DOJ BOF. Within 2-40 weeks, CA DOJ BOF will mail you back confirmation of the report.

You can no import any large capacity (11+ round) magazines into CA. [PC 12020(a)(2)]
So, acquire 10 round magazines for use in CA.
You can also legally dissassemble any large capacity magazines you own into parts and import those parts into CA, where you can use the parts to make permanent 10 round magazines or keep them as parts & never assemble them while in CA.

Legal method of transporting a handgun in CA, equates to unloaded and in a locked container. Ammo can be in the same locked container but can not be in the firearm's magazine well/cylinder/chamber/fixed magazine.

The only CA state laws that apply to reloading is that you can not possess more than 5 pounds of blackpowder and/or 20 pounds of smokeless gunpower at a time. [H&S 12102]

Ability to get a CA CCW permit is dependent upon which county in CA you move to.
Due to CA's "may issue" CCW permit system, getting a CA CCW permit depends on where you live. Some counties have a "shall issue" type policy and some counties have a "no issue" type policy.


Also, I strongly recommend you join the forums at calguns.net, in order to learn about CA gun laws and what you can do to make them better.



Penal Code 12001
(n) As used in this chapter, a "personal handgun importer" means an individual who meets all of the following criteria:
(1) He or she is not a person licensed pursuant to Section 12071.
(2) He or she is not a licensed manufacturer of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code.
(3) He or she is not a licensed importer of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(4) He or she is the owner of a handgun.
(5) He or she acquired that handgun outside of California.
(6) He or she moves into this state on or after January 1, 1998, as a resident of this state.
(7) He or she intends to possess that handgun within this state on or after January 1, 1998.
(8) The handgun was not delivered to him or her by a person licensed pursuant to Section 12071 who delivered that firearm following the procedures set forth in Section 12071 and subdivision (c) of Section 12072.
(9) He or she, while a resident of this state, had not previously reported his or her ownership of that handgun to the Department of Justice in a manner prescribed by the department that included information concerning him or her and a description of the firearm.
(10) The handgun is not a firearm that is prohibited by subdivision (a) of Section 12020.
(11) The handgun is not an assault weapon, as defined in Section 12276 or 12276.1.
(12) The handgun is not a machinegun, as defined in Section 12200.
(13) The person is 18 years of age or older.

Penal Code 12072
(f)(2)(A) On or after January 1, 1998, within 60 days of bringing a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person into this state, a personal handgun importer shall do one of the following:
(i) Forward by prepaid mail or deliver in person to the Department of Justice, a report prescribed by the department including information concerning that individual and a description of the firearm in question.
(ii) Sell or transfer the firearm in accordance with the provisions of subdivision (d) or in accordance with the provisions of an exemption from subdivision (d).
(iii) Sell or transfer the firearm to a dealer licensed pursuant to Section 12071.
(iv) Sell or transfer the firearm to a sheriff or police department.

Penal Code 12020
(a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:
(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.
(c)(25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.
 
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Maverick_52 said:
Why does the CA safe handgun list not apply?
Because you are not having them imported for purchase, you already own them. When you send in your registration form, it becomes a CA gun (legally brought into the state) and you are free to sell it to anyone in CA. Handguns do not need to be on the Roster to be legal to posses

I'm also a concealed weapons permit holder and feel that all legal law abiding citizens should be allowed to carry and CA seems to be really restricting on that note as well.
This is completely dependent on where you live. I live in a metropolitan area and have had 5 students recently obtain their CCWs using Self Defense as their good cause reason
 
I've also heard that you can't own a gun without an external safety. That's why the question about the glocks and the ruger. Why does the CA safe handgun list not apply?
Because the California Safe List only applies to what you can buy at a dealer, not what you can own or bring into the state when moving in.

No magazines over 10 rounds though.
 
A question to the California crowd..... Is it true that permits are issued by each individual county, rather than by the State?

LD45
You can only apply in the county of your residence, the CCW is good throughout the state.

Do you apply to the State for your CCW in other states...I thought everyone applied through their local LEA?
 
Florida's issuing authority is our State Department of Agriculture.........a move that was deliberately made to keep the LE/Judicial branch out of the loop as both have been proven to have a history of wanting to 'over regulate' as has been proven in many jurisdictions.
 
There is of course the Assault Weapon laws as well.

For pistols this include any semi-auto pistol that takes a 'detachable magazine' outside of the pistol grip.

The other one that one wouldn't think of is that any semi-auto pistol which takes detachable magazines that has a threaded barrel is an assault weapon.
So a threaded barrel in your typical pistol turns it into an illegal assault weapon.
 
Why does the CA safe handgun list not apply?

Because you are not having them imported for purchase, you already own them. When you send in your registration form, it becomes a CA gun (legally brought into the state) and you are free to sell it to anyone in CA. Handguns do not need to be on the Roster to be legal to posses
More precisely, (Quiet posted the PC), the Roster applies ONLY AT TIME OF TRANSFER THROUGH AN FFL (and not all of those transfers are included); when you bring a handgun here, you are not transferring it.

Please see the Safe Handgun List article at the Calguns Foundation Wiki.

A person has to register there pistols and PAY $19.00 each?
New residents must do that for handguns they import, yes.
 
Zoogster said:
There is of course the Assault Weapon laws as well.

For pistols this include any semi-auto pistol that takes a 'detachable magazine' outside of the pistol grip.

Not quite, there are many pistols with detachable magazines outside of the pistol grip which are legal in CA. The ones that come immediately to mind are the Hammereli 280 and the Pardini SP
 
Originally Posted by Lawdawg45
A question to the California crowd..... Is it true that permits are issued by each individual county, rather than by the State?

LD45


"You can only apply in the county of your residence, the CCW is good throughout the state."

Still confused. The way I understand it is that there is no statewide standard for issuing and the CCW. Some Counties have different restrictions and some don't allow CCW at all, how can the permit from one county be recognized statewide?

LD45
 
Still confused. The way I understand it is that there is no statewide standard for issuing and the CCW. Some Counties have different restrictions and some don't allow CCW at all, how can the permit from one county be recognized statewide?
Your CCW is a California CCW, it is good anywhere in the state. But you have to apply for it with you local LEA...either the Chief of Police of the city in which you reside or the Sheriff of the county. There are PDs that have given over the duty of issuance of CCWs to their Sheriff.

CA is considered a May Issue state. The determination to issue lays with the chief LE official in each county/city. Some places are shall issue and some are no issue, but once issued, the CCW is good anywhere in the state. Different issuing agencies may put different restrictions on the CCW, violation of those restrictions are cause for the issuing agency (not the State) to revoke the CCW
 
Still confused. The way I understand it is that there is no statewide standard for issuing and the CCW. Some Counties have different restrictions and some don't allow CCW at all, how can the permit from one county be recognized statewide?
9mmepiphany is correct, but I agree that it seems odd that a 'state' license might be issued by agencies that do not work directly for the state.

The basic CCW app is a state-approved form, and the penal code (PC 26170) grants the power to issue a state license to Sheriffs and chiefs of police. The PC does not limit the scope of the license, beyond saying only those weapons listed on the license may be carried, but the issuing authority may put 'reasonable restrictions' on the license.

It might help to understand that licenses are sometimes used as political patronage 'rewards' in some jurisdictions. An elected Sheriff can't put a school or a road into his county, but s/he can cement political support by rewarding backers.
 
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Welcome to CA, Maverick. Yes the laws are stupid, but they haven't yet completely banned firearms. The laws are a bit ponderous, but if you do have questions, the Department of Justice publishes a summary of California Firearms Laws which is pretty detailed but far easier to make sense of than the actual legal codes. They also publish downloadable forms such as the new resident form that you'll need to submit for your handguns.

One thing that you did not ask about, but should be aware is the Handgun Safety Certificate. If you wish to acquire any additional handguns, you'll need to get an HSC. You can get one from most any firearms dealer. It costs $25, and you have to correctly answer 23 of 30 True/False and multiple guess questions. The HSC is good for five years. More info including downloadable study guides is available here on DOJ's website.
 
"Do you apply to the State for your CCW in other states...I thought everyone applied through their local LEA?"

In Louisiana, you send the state application to the state police office.

Louisiana also allows the sheriff's office of the home parish (that's the same as "county" to those not from LA) to issue local permits. Those permits are only good within the parish (county) of residence and are solely at the discretion of the local authorities. My parish sheriff will issue to anyone who has no criminal record or outstanding warrants. You walk in, fill out the form, pay the fee, get your photo taken and walk out with a license and you're able to legally carry anywhere up to the parish line. YMMV in other parishes.
 
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