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It is difficult to truly express one's opinion or message and have it perceived as intended in text. So please take this with a grain of salt. Doesn't it in today's world seem narcissistic to think that...why would someone call the cops on me because I'm carrying and made a mistake and let my weapon be seen by a store clerk? Let me guess. Your feet don't touch the ground when you walk?

Are there any documented occurrences where a CCW holder was shot or killed, or a LEO during a gun battle because of confussion as to who the BG was?
 
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If a call goes out that there is a man with a gun(you), even if you're 100% legal, plan on getting drawn on, yelled at, cuffed, lectured, and maybe tossed in the back of a squad car. And plan on taking about 2 hours out of your day for all this hassle to go down. That 20 minute trip to the store at 8pm to get some ice cream for your wife just turned into a 2 and a half hour ordeal. Have a good time.
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You gotta be kidding me! where do you live?
My brother is a cop in NY and even there in the bastion of all that is evil they do not do that.


Oh and I always "print" thats the beauty of northern nevada, if people don't like guns they can move to CA!
 
I am among those who have always considered the notion of a CCW badge to be rather, well ... ridiculous. I'll admit, however, that the recent mall shooting in Utah has me re-thinking that notion.

Let's suppose that there is a shooting in whatever mall my wife decides to drag me to some fine evening. However, heroic Officer {what's his name?} is in Utah, so the first person to engage the shooter isn't an off-duty LEO but yours truly. So, to mirror the Utah incident, when the cavalry arrives they find one guy with a gun on the lower level, trading shots with another guy (ME!) on the upper level. Just how are the supposed to know that I'm the good guy and the other shooter is the bad guy?

Now, if I had one of those fancy CCW badges in a separate ID wallet, I could do an FBI agent and flash my badge to the responding LEOs. Let them assume for the moment that I'm LEO ... as long as I don't say I am, they can think whatever they like as long as they are shooting at the bad guy instead of me.

I'll be happy to explain that it's only a toy badge AFTER the bad guy has been neutralized.

That's just a hypothetical. can't conceive of any circumstances under which I think it might be a good idea to actually wear one in plain sight.
 
I am among those who have always considered the notion of a CCW badge to be rather, well ... ridiculous. I'll admit, however, that the recent mall shooting in Utah has me re-thinking that notion.
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At this point it is ridiculous because 1) they're marketed the way they are (CCW might as well read "FBI", read "Female Body Inspector"- I've seen tshirts like that), and 2) because there's no legal mandate for a CCW carrier to have/use one.

Let's suppose that there is a shooting in whatever mall my wife decides to drag me to some fine evening. However, heroic Officer {what's his name?} is in Utah, so the first person to engage the shooter isn't an off-duty LEO but yours truly. So, to mirror the Utah incident, when the cavalry arrives they find one guy with a gun on the lower level, trading shots with another guy (ME!) on the upper level. Just how are the supposed to know that I'm the good guy and the other shooter is the bad guy?

Now, if I had one of those fancy CCW badges in a separate ID wallet, I could do an FBI agent and flash my badge to the responding LEOs. Let them assume for the moment that I'm LEO ... as long as I don't say I am, they can think whatever they like as long as they are shooting at the bad guy instead of me.
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This is about the only way I can think of that it may be useful. However, just for the sake of covering all sides, let's say the bad guys bought into the same line of thinking... that when the cops showed up, they'd flash a toy badge to keep from getting shot. But then, lets say both shooters flashed badges. The cops would have to find out which, if either, were legitimate carriers. This could get complicated, but it seems CCW and self defense are already complicated.

I'll be happy to explain that it's only a toy badge AFTER the bad guy has been neutralized.
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Under the current legal situation, it's a toy. Like others have said, it could get you into some hot water if use were considered to be impersonation of an officer. If it became required by law, a badge issued to CCW holders wouldn't be a toy, but part of the ID system with guidelines for legal use. I figure if that were the case, use of a badge by a criminal especially in a scenario like the above would also carry a penalty somewhat like current laws on impersonation.

That's just a hypothetical. can't conceive of any circumstances under which I think it might be a good idea to actually wear one in plain sight.
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All hypotheticals aside, I've never been for a private citizen openly displaying such a badge on one's person. (Private security personel are another story.) That appears to me to be the big detail most posters on these threads can't grasp.
 
Could I have a show of hands...

All those with a CCW badge, do you also carry handcuffs?
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No badge of any kind here, but why should a private citizen carry handcuffs? Most mass arrests the cops make, they use those plastic zip ties because they can carry a lot more of 'em. They show handcuffs on the news because they create more drama. If a private citizen has to make a citizen's arrest, there's plenty of other stuff around to truss up an arrestee.
 
some times even a badge on a string don't help LEO's let alone a CCW , as per In Orlando Fla. a university cop was working a Football game at the local stadium and took a perk down {pined to the side of a car} cop in plane clothes , and a city cop took him out with one shot, all he saw was a guy in jeans and T-shirt with a guy up against a car with a gun to his head -- and fired , the University cop had his badge hanging around his neck on a leather thong, so myself I don't want a badge when I first got my CCW here in fl. I let some dude at a gun show sell me one that looked just like our sheriff's badges and they outlawed then three months later, so all in all Bad Idea
 
I suggest anyone flashing a badge or even wearing one read the law on impersonating an officer. You don't have to say you are a police officer, nor does the badge have to say police or anything of the sort. It is enough that you do or say something that leads someone to believe you are a police officer and you can be arrested for impersonating.

Not usually jail time, but could be a big fine, loss of CCW license, loss of guns, etc., etc. If it is worth that to you to feel like a big man, have fun.

(I have heard that those badges might let you escape from the cops, though. One look and they would be rolling around laughing so hard you could run away.)

Jim
 
TnRebel, (post#82) Good point. One thing we all have to remember is we're all dealing with a margine of error in a situation where that margine is probably not that wide.

Jim Keenan, (post#83) This is one thing I keep trying to get across. If the law says flashing a badge is impersonating an officer, don't do it. But, if the law were changed for whatever reason, keep with the law.

Folks make this issue a lot more complicated than it is or should be.
 
Anyone that wants to wear a CCW badge would be better served with one of these:

mallninjabadge7xw.jpg
 
That they sell them in the back of crappy magazines only bolsters this argument. Money would be better spent on X-ray specs, or the $4.95 fully automatic pellet gun.
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I used my CCW badge money to buy Sea Monkeys instead......:neener:



I haven't read the whole thread, but incase no one has said it yet......

"Bajes, we don need no stinkin' bajes." :neener:
 
mustanger98
If a private citizen has to make a citizen's arrest, there's plenty of other stuff around to truss up an arrestee.
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SIGH Before you guys think about restraining anyone, you'd better check your state's criminal code. In most places there are laws against things called Unlawful Restraint.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilc...eqEnd=12600000&ActName=Criminal+Code+of+1961.
(720 ILCS 5/10‑3) (from Ch. 38, par. 10‑3)
Sec. 10‑3. Unlawful restraint.) (a) A person commits the offense of unlawful restraint when he knowingly without legal authority detains another.
(b) Sentence.
Unlawful restraint is a Class 4 felony.
(Source: P.A. 79‑840.)

(720 ILCS 5/10‑3.1) (from Ch. 38, par. 10‑3.1)
Sec. 10‑3.1. Aggravated Unlawful Restraint. (a) A person commits the offense of aggravated unlawful restraint when he knowingly without legal authority detains another while using a deadly weapon.
(b) Sentence. Aggravated unlawful restraint is a Class 3 felony.
(Source: P.A. 84‑930.)

(720 ILCS 5/10‑4) (from Ch. 38, par. 10‑4)
Sec. 10‑4. Forcible Detention.) (a) A person commits the offense of forcible detention when he holds an individual hostage without lawful authority for the purpose of obtaining performance by a third person of demands made by the person holding the hostage, and
(1) the person holding the hostage is armed with a dangerous weapon as defined in Section 33A‑1 of this Code, or
(2) the hostage is known to the person holding him to be a peace officer or a correctional employee engaged in the performance of his official duties.
(b) Forcible detention is a Class 2 felony.
(Source: P.A. 79‑941.)
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You may notice that you don't even have to truss up someone to be within the elements of the crime. You might also notice that it's a felony. And if you're armed with a dangerous weapon when you commit the crime. Is your CCW piece a dangerous weapon...you betcha.

So while you guys are busy killing active shooters and saving the world from street crime you need to be darn sure you know what the legal elements of the crime you are arresting someone for. You have no civil tort protection nor immunity from criminal prosecution if your citizens arrest isn't legal or valid.

Jeff
 
Oh, No, Not Again!

I haven't read any of the above posts, except for the most excellent last one by Jeff White, but this seems very like some nonsense I've read before. IANAL, but I understand that anybody can, and should, arrest somebody for a felony (if he's feeling brave and kewl&manly) but only a sworn officer can arrest for a misdemeanor.

CCW "badge" is, of course, a meaningless but irritating annoyance to anyone to whom one shows it.
 
I guess I don't need a badge. By my white cowboy hat and silver spurs, everyone knows this champion of justice.
 
I just GOTTA get me one of them Mall Ninja Badges!

You know, I feel that the CCW badge is somewhat redundant in the long run, seeing as how we're already issued concealed weapon permits. Now that I think more about it, however, I may start doing with my CWP as I already do with my drivers' license. I have one of those little clear pouches with the clip on the back and I just clip my drivers' license to my shirt, so when I happen to cut someone off in traffic, for example, I can say,

"Yeah, pal, I DO have a drivers' license! And it's RIGHT HERE ON MY CHEST, BUDDY!"

:neener:
 
If you want a badge, go through the academy and earn it. I can't believe that there are grown men who would buy a CCW "badge". Their appeal is limited to the wanna-be's.
 
I am among those who have always considered the notion of a CCW badge to be rather, well ... ridiculous. I'll admit, however, that the recent mall shooting in Utah has me re-thinking that notion.

Let's suppose that there is a shooting in whatever mall my wife decides to drag me to some fine evening. However, heroic Officer {what's his name?} is in Utah, so the first person to engage the shooter isn't an off-duty LEO but yours truly. So, to mirror the Utah incident, when the cavalry arrives they find one guy with a gun on the lower level, trading shots with another guy (ME!) on the upper level. Just how are the supposed to know that I'm the good guy and the other shooter is the bad guy?

Now, if I had one of those fancy CCW badges in a separate ID wallet, I could do an FBI agent and flash my badge to the responding LEOs. Let them assume for the moment that I'm LEO ... as long as I don't say I am, they can think whatever they like as long as they are shooting at the bad guy instead of me.

I'll be happy to explain that it's only a toy badge AFTER the bad guy has been neutralized.

That's just a hypothetical. can't conceive of any circumstances under which I think it might be a good idea to actually wear one in plain sight.
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If you ever flash a badge you'd better do the same thing the officer in Utah did...yell out "POLICE OFFICER", your name and your department. So, if you're not a cop, don't be flashing a badge. But should you decide to flash a CCW badge, the police will be wary of you until they've had a chance to sniff you out. And if you're not a real cop, it will become very evident very soon. So don't think flashing a badge will win their trust.
 
My badge and patch says DILLIGAF
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I know what that means, biker. I just started working for a local Harley mech, and he has that on his "helmet."

As for the badges, one look at the other badges they have, (Bounty Hunter, Mall Ninja, etc,) should tell you they are just to cater to the wannabe LEO types who drive around in their Crown Vics with the police scanner. I laugh everytime I see that ad in the back of the gun rag.
 
I sell stuff on ebay and that includes badges that say concealed weapons permit and bail enforcement officer.I don't carry one myself and never would because it is a stupid idea .I had a ad on this forum and got flamed for it but I sold 8 badges to members.i sell 1 a day on EBAY so all I know is there are a lot of people wanting to have them for one reason or another.maybe they collect them,want to be a wanabe,watch dog the bounty hunter who knows ?
 

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I know a guy who has one. We were on a trip and another guy was with us and guns came up, he pulled his out of armrest and I noticed the badge clipped to the holster. Said he has one because he likes to open carry and people are less likey to freaky when seeing a gun with a badge. He doesn't come off as a wanna be cop and actually is friends with many officers and state troopers nice guy but hey you never know, the badge is not my thing but I won't knock it, I can see his reasoning behind it and it does make since. I don't open carry unless I'm around the house,to and from the range or out late at night going to a drive thru when I know I wont be getting out of my vehicle.

One day I was working my P/T job and noticed what looked to be a marshal's badge clipped to this guys hat, being the guy that I am I had to try to see what it said. It had George W Bush for President or something like that on it
 
No badge of any kind here, but why should a private citizen carry handcuffs? Most mass arrests the cops make, they use those plastic zip ties because they can carry a lot more of 'em. They show handcuffs on the news because they create more drama. If a private citizen has to make a citizen's arrest, there's plenty of other stuff around to truss up an arrestee.
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i think he was being sarcastic :D but on a serious note i dont think there is a necessity to carry handcuffs. i'd check your state's laws before doing so. also if you are going to carry some sort of restraint, the zip ties i'd think are bulkier...where are you going to put those anyway unless you are wearing your mall ninja suit?

as far as the badge, i think it is a gimmick, but again check your state's laws. i think in Texas it depends on what is written on the badge, and that the state seal is not to be used, as far as it being legal to wear or display.

the other day i saw a "School Crossing Guard" badge at a store that looked very similar (at an initial glance) to a Houston PD badge. heck i dont think you could get in trouble for having a crossing guard badge....i guess in a pinch like some people have stated, if you needed to identify yourself as a good guy, i guess you could hold that up.

I am seriously thinking about a cape though.
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and some Superman underoos.
 
i think he was being sarcastic :D but on a serious note i dont think there is a necessity to carry handcuffs. i'd check your state's laws before doing so. also if you are going to carry some sort of restraint, the zip ties i'd think are bulkier...where are you going to put those anyway unless you are wearing your mall ninja suit?
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I think he must have been sarcastic like you observed. I'm aware of some states having laws against unlawful restraint. That's why we have to be careful about making citizen's arrest and be sure it is in fact for a felony. I'm agreeing with Jeff White that if Joe Public has to restrain an arrestee, whether with cuffs or zip ties or simply by holding a gun on 'em, he'd better know what he's doing. As to where somebody's going to carry those zip ties, they come in handy for plenty of other reasons so why not carry a bundle in the tool box in one's truck?

Mall ninja suit? We don't need no stinkin' mall ninja suits.:D
 
Let me see if I understand this......I would carry a badge that says I am a CCW holder that says I carry a concealed weapon????? :what:
 
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