If the law is no CCW where you knowingly walked in and remained you broke the law, that was dumb. But if you friend is a real friend he would have bailed you out I'm sure. It always amazes me when people post and admit breaking the law and are looking for what?
CCW in Bars?
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rainbowbob
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That would imply that you don't trust yourself to remain sober and/or responsible in the presence of alcohol.
I would heartily endorse the colorado model wherein CCW is legal in a bar providing your blood alcohol does not exceed .08% - or whatever the DUI level is in a particular state.
It is fair and reasonable to assume that if you are competent to drive - you are competent to CCW.
M14/11B
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Once again, make everything a crime so you're guilty of something no matter what. All they have to do is decide what grey area to pick.
W.E.G.
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Show me ONE gun club that allows its members to drink any alcohol and then run around with loaded guns on the property.
You know, there really is a good reason for that.
Irrespective of any law books, drinking any alcohol whatsoever while in possession of a loaded firearm is always a big no-no.
Cut that out.
You know, there really is a good reason for that.
Irrespective of any law books, drinking any alcohol whatsoever while in possession of a loaded firearm is always a big no-no.
Cut that out.
offshorebear
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In PA we can OC or CC in a bar. No one has ever gotten drunk and shot up a bar with a legal concealed handgun. I'm glad that my state lets me choose to be responsible.
rainbowbob
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You are correct in stating that I have posted an admission of guilt. I am reasonably confident that this anonymous (and relatively innocuous) admission will not lead to prosecution.
What I am looking for is exactly what I am getting: An open discussion - including the advisability of "civil disobedience" versus disarming in this specific circumstance, and the various statutes that are in force in other states.
rainbowbob
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The law makes a distinction between driving while intoxicated and driving after having a drink (e.g., no DUI if BAL is less than .08%).
Why should firearms be treated differently? Both are obviously deadly weapons - and we all know there are far more accidents with cars than with guns.
fearless leader
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In my State wide Firearms Licensure course in Florida, it was exlpained to me that you may go to the resturant part of an establishment, but not the bar portion.
Example, go to Red Lobster, you can sit in the restaurant area, but they have (here anyway) a specific bar portion, ideally aimed at those who just want to stop in for a drink.
It is illegal in the Gunshine state to be intoxicated in manual possession of a firearm, in a bar or anywhere else.
In trying to keep goodwill between the undecided people out there and those of us who choose to carry, it would be wise to stay in control of your faculties while carrying.
Every time a gun owner is found to be intoxicated, or in an actual shooting while intoxicated, ALL OF US ARE BEING JUDGED!!
Example, go to Red Lobster, you can sit in the restaurant area, but they have (here anyway) a specific bar portion, ideally aimed at those who just want to stop in for a drink.
It is illegal in the Gunshine state to be intoxicated in manual possession of a firearm, in a bar or anywhere else.
In trying to keep goodwill between the undecided people out there and those of us who choose to carry, it would be wise to stay in control of your faculties while carrying.
Every time a gun owner is found to be intoxicated, or in an actual shooting while intoxicated, ALL OF US ARE BEING JUDGED!!
Thek9
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If your State Law dictates it's unlawful to CCW in a Bar then:
A) You must understand you may get arrested if caught, (Brushed by undercover, raid pat down or spotted.)
B) You may loose your weapon and your CCW.
C) Be the "Hero Of The Day" by stopping a Madman or Robber only to be arrested then latter sued.
Your choice to carry.
T-Out
A) You must understand you may get arrested if caught, (Brushed by undercover, raid pat down or spotted.)
B) You may loose your weapon and your CCW.
C) Be the "Hero Of The Day" by stopping a Madman or Robber only to be arrested then latter sued.
Your choice to carry.
T-Out
doc2rn
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I go proclaim myself DD, sit back and as Cosby once said "Have a Coke and a smile". I don't have to drink to have a good time, but I do like Quervo 1800.
rainbowbob
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I assumed in posting this thread that there was no question about the inadvisability of CCW while intoxicated - no more or less than driving while intoxicated.
There is absolutely no question in my mind about either.
My original concern has to do with going into a bar CCW for a beer or two over the course of an hour or so. That is NOT enough alcohol to cause me to be intoxicated or raise my BAL over the legal driving limitation (.08%).
Wetawd
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sorry I didn't have the time to read every post but here in the evergreen state u are not allowed to carry where people under 21 are not permitted. Has to be all ages.
csmkersh
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Back to Texas law.
Texas it's legal to carry in any business that sells alcohol for off premises consumption, including liquor stores. It is illegal to carry in any business that, "... derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption..."* It's an offense for a license holder to carry while intoxicared.**
*Texas PC §46.034(b)(1)
**Texas PC §46.035(d)
romma
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Not a gun club, but, there is a certain hunting ranch in South Texas I have been to (THAT SHALL NOT BE NAMED) where the guides will pack several beers in a cooler, and then drop you off in a blind anywhere from 2-4 hrs to hunt.
I don't drink anymore anyhow so I declined. I wouldn't have taken them even if I still drank... Of course I wouldn't have been hunting in Texas in the first place if I still drank, but that's another story!
rugerman07
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No, that was not my meaning. My meaning is plain and simple. Guns and alcohol don't mix. If your going out to a bar for a night of drinking and having a good time, leave your gun at home!
JesseL
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rugerman07 said:
So what if you're going out to a bar but not drinking? I don't drink, but I've spent my share of time in bars.
Seems like pretty reasonable circumstances to carry in a bar to me.
rugerman07
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If you want to go to a bar packing heat, whether your drinking or not, that's your business. Personally, I wouldn't do it, but, that's just me.
Regardless of what we think the law should be if it is against the law to ccw in a bar we should not be breaking the law. When I talk to people who are against CCW I always state as one of justifications of allowing is that "law abiding" citizens should be allowed to carry. Then I read where my felow"law abiding" citizens and permit holders are not so "law abiding" and I wonder when that is going to bite us in the butt. If having a few drinks is OK when packing how would you feel about LEO's having a few drinks during meal breaks?
Most people would not define "civil disobedience" as breaking the law discreetly, and hoping not to be caught. "Civil disobedience" is generally defined and openly and flagrantly breaking the law - and accepting the consequences - in an effort to make it clear the law is unjust and needs to be changed. I am not sure that drinking a beer or two while concealing a weapon counts.
Definitions aside, it might also be worth pondering the cost to your fellow CCW holders if you are caught. I make the argument, and I have heard other folks make the argument that CCW holder are by and large law abiding citizens, and meticulous about gun laws.
If you are caught breaking the law by carrying a gun in a bar, isn't that argument harder to make.
And if you were to use your gun in what would otherwise be a legitimate self-defense situation after leaving the bar, my guess is that your legal situation would be very complicated, "I didn't do nothing. He was drinking and came out of bar looking for a fight."
I don't have a recommendation - it's complicated. I do know that when I was a kid, and we were looking for a shooting range to join, my dad high tailed it out of nice local shooting club when we walked into a the clubhouse and there was a bar. He told me, "Guns an alcohol do not mix - not ever."
Mike
rainbowbob
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You make a good point about being "law-abiding" - and I use that same term as justifcation when talking to anti-CCW folks.
As for LEOs drinking on the job...or anyone else drinking while armed...It wouldn't bother me a bit if they had a beer for lunch but were not intoxicated. If they (or you or I) are not impaired - and not breaking the law - where is the harm?
Awww...you got me there!
Cosmoline
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What do you mean by "bar"? If you're talking restaurant that happens to be a brewpub, law aside I see no problems. If you're talking bar bar, a real bar, it's tactically foolish to ever set foot in one, and even more foolish to set foot in one unarmed. They are the number one breeding grounds for violent crime.
On top of which, real bars have real bouncers and observers. Real bars have two way mirrors. Real bars have trained people LOOKING for people who are packing, and if they find you it's a call to the cops. You'd have to be a complete igit to walk into that kind of trap.
If you were invited to go into a true bar, you should have simply declined the offer.
On top of which, real bars have real bouncers and observers. Real bars have two way mirrors. Real bars have trained people LOOKING for people who are packing, and if they find you it's a call to the cops. You'd have to be a complete igit to walk into that kind of trap.
If you were invited to go into a true bar, you should have simply declined the offer.
As for LEOs drinking on the job...or anyone else drinking while armed...It wouldn't bother me a bit if they had a beer for lunch but were not intoxicated. If they (or you or I) are not impaired - and not breaking the law - where is the harm?
Cops drinking on duty? You are kidding right? Tell me you are kidding?
please tell me you are kidding?
Cops drinking on duty? You are kidding right? Tell me you are kidding?
please tell me you are kidding?
HAhahaha! +1
Look, it's against the law there, you knew it, you decided to break the law in the name of convenience. You got away with it, you're probably not going to be faced with that situation again for a long time. Don't sweat it. Or just move to Nevada
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