Until recently GA law was no carry in an establishment that served alcohol. The legislature recently changed that but I don't know if it has been signed by the Gov. yet. I have yet to read the new law to see if "bars" are distinguished from restaurants with a bar area. I have to admit that there were times when we would go to a restaurant that had a bar area and i would maintain the concealed. My personal safety and that of my family are the most important things to me. I don't consume alcoholic beverages so for me that does not become a part of the equation. I have to agree with the earlier thread that I would have beggged off. Of course here in GA a movie might be considered a public gathering in some jurisdictions and you would have already violated the law.
CCW in Bars?
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rainbowbob
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Well...I won't be faced with that situation as long as I resign myself to leaving my gun at home if there is any chance I will be going to a bar - or never going to a bar again.
crew590
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Well, in WV it's not against the law to carry in bars (or anywhere else alcohol is served). The only laws are nowhere posted and if the owner asks you to leave (the usual things 
) That being said I'm not a drinker, but I do have friends that do go out.
Jay
) That being said I'm not a drinker, but I do have friends that do go out.Jay
W.E.G.
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For the same reason you don't want to be on the receiving end of a deposition when the issue is whether or not your actions were negligent. If you feel comfortable having a jury decide negligence, while knowing that you (the shooter) had alcohol in your system, feel free to ignore my comments.
As for the ranch serving hunters beer during a hunt, that sounds like a good way for the owner of the ranch to turn over the title to the ranch to any person who is injured on the ranch by a drunk with a gun.
rainbowbob
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I am not clear how a BAL of say, .04% would impact the question of whether my actions were negligent? Isn't a negligent act equally negligent whether my BAL is .00%....04%...or .10%?
For that matter, I could be sitting at home with a BAL of .20% and a handgun in my pocket. As far as I know, I am not breaking any law in my state in so doing (although I agree it would be imprudent). If a tweaker invaded my home with a knife in his hand, I would be legally justified in shooting him. My BAL would have no material impact in judging whether or not I was negligent.
American_Pit_Bull
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It is legal here and I have eaten many wings, while armed, in sports bars.
XLMiguel
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The law in NM changed last July that allows you to carry in a place that sells alcohol (e.g. grocery. convenience store, etc) for off premise consumption, but not any place that serves alcohol for on premise consumption.
OTOH, (hypothetically speaking, of course) if I were CCW & out & about with a group of friends that stopped for a bite somewhere that served and there was no reasonable way to secure my weapon off premise, I'd probably just go along and stick to iced tea or soda and keep my mouth shut. I'd definitely avoid someplace that was an obvious high potential as a source of trouble (i.e. real bar, no food), but I probably wouldn't think too hard about Olive Garden, Appleby's, etc., during daylight hours.
OTOH, (hypothetically speaking, of course) if I were CCW & out & about with a group of friends that stopped for a bite somewhere that served and there was no reasonable way to secure my weapon off premise, I'd probably just go along and stick to iced tea or soda and keep my mouth shut. I'd definitely avoid someplace that was an obvious high potential as a source of trouble (i.e. real bar, no food), but I probably wouldn't think too hard about Olive Garden, Appleby's, etc., during daylight hours.
sailortoo
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XLMiguel raises a good point, just what Rainbow Bob ran into. You are dependent on another persons transportation, or even afoot, and CCW. Your group/partner go to a restaurant that serves alcohol, not planned ahead. You have no safe way to lock or otherwise secure your weapon. NOW what? Not impossible, but very awkward, especially if you are not known as a CCW person, and want to keep it that way, for any number of valid reasons. All the more reason for the persons in states that do not allow any reasonable carry in restaurants that serve alcohol, to get with their local representative and senator to try, try again, to get the laws more reasonable. I carry in Colorado and Washington in restaurants that serve, and am legal and responsible (I don't drink in a restaurant). In NM, I cannot do that, and I find that illogical. Anyway, political change is the ultimate answer, and that takes time and dedication.
sailor
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Concealed Carry in bars is legal in Oregon. I and many others do it all the time. Furthermore, we drink while we're there. Sure is weird that all the bars in Oregon haven't been shot to pieces by all of us out of control drunkards.
Growing up, we often mixed a bit of booze, .22's and a sunny afternoons. It was great.
I've also find it disconcerting the amount of law worship around here.
Remember illegal does not equal immoral or even wrong.
/I didn't know there were so many quakers in the gun culture.
Growing up, we often mixed a bit of booze, .22's and a sunny afternoons. It was great.
I've also find it disconcerting the amount of law worship around here.
Remember illegal does not equal immoral or even wrong.
/I didn't know there were so many quakers in the gun culture.
I never sit at the Bar, in restaurants. If a couple says we will meet you a few minutes earlier at the bar, I use my "back problem" as an excuse. If you are seated in the restaurant at a table having dinner, you should not have a problem carrying. May I go as far as to say, 1 drink, with dinner you should be ok. As a young man I sometimes would get stuck in that position, the choices are few, either leave the gun in the car, "in NY you take a chance of loosing your gun if left in the car", if somone steals it, it's a tough thing to explain, and in some states like NY, or CA, you may loose your license while they investigate. Or take the chance of going in and not drinking, if you are sober, you may get a pass, as long you are just sitting at a table or booth nursing a soda. Or go home
Intune
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No one should not be allowed to carry in a bar. The only reason to go there is to drink & fight. Nevermind that I am there all night playing music & loading out tens of thousands of dollars in a dark alley @ 3 AM. At least I can get drunk & fight. I can't be trusted.
The local grocery store sells tons of beer. I can't carry there because I cannot resist the urge to pop a top & let loose a few rounds just to keep folks on their toes. I am not to be trusted.
My children hitchhike to doctor appointments during school hours. I should be able to sign them out and take them but I can't. I carry a gun. So many targets and they all need to be taught a lesson. I'll show them what school is really all about. Save the children, disarm me. A person with a gun & no badge cannot be trusted.
I think my children play sports. My wife takes them to this nice place that the city owns. Manicured green soccer fields, baseball diamonds, playground equipment and this sign right at the entrance that forbids my type from entering. I think it's because of the ducks & geese that hang out at this "park" place. Everybody knows that you have to shoot at birds even if you only have a pistol. After all, I have a gun & I'm gonna use it. Do not make the mistake of trusting me with it.
I have friends that live in Chicago. I've never seen their house because they drive down and meet me on the side of the road right across the state line. They do it to save the people of Illinois. There is something about that state that makes guns go off right when the line is crossed. We can't meet at a rest stop either because they have signs. And maps. My guns hate maps. Don't trust me. Put up a sign. You'll be safe. I promise...
I can't go to any hockey, football or baseball games. There are people there. They yell. I don't like it when people yell. Put up a sign. I'll honor it. Those noisy people have to come out sometime. I'm out there waiting. Don't trust me...
The only place I can legally carry is my home. But I had to take down all the mirrors. Seeing people with guns scares me. You know what I'll do if I get scared. I'm going to take my medicine now. Trust me...
The gun laws all make sense if you look at the purpose they serve & reason they exist. They are made to protect people from nuts like me. Be thankful & go about your business in peace & safety.
This applies to all the above. Mostly. 
The local grocery store sells tons of beer. I can't carry there because I cannot resist the urge to pop a top & let loose a few rounds just to keep folks on their toes. I am not to be trusted.
My children hitchhike to doctor appointments during school hours. I should be able to sign them out and take them but I can't. I carry a gun. So many targets and they all need to be taught a lesson. I'll show them what school is really all about. Save the children, disarm me. A person with a gun & no badge cannot be trusted.
I think my children play sports. My wife takes them to this nice place that the city owns. Manicured green soccer fields, baseball diamonds, playground equipment and this sign right at the entrance that forbids my type from entering. I think it's because of the ducks & geese that hang out at this "park" place. Everybody knows that you have to shoot at birds even if you only have a pistol. After all, I have a gun & I'm gonna use it. Do not make the mistake of trusting me with it.
I have friends that live in Chicago. I've never seen their house because they drive down and meet me on the side of the road right across the state line. They do it to save the people of Illinois. There is something about that state that makes guns go off right when the line is crossed. We can't meet at a rest stop either because they have signs. And maps. My guns hate maps. Don't trust me. Put up a sign. You'll be safe. I promise...
I can't go to any hockey, football or baseball games. There are people there. They yell. I don't like it when people yell. Put up a sign. I'll honor it. Those noisy people have to come out sometime. I'm out there waiting. Don't trust me...
The only place I can legally carry is my home. But I had to take down all the mirrors. Seeing people with guns scares me. You know what I'll do if I get scared. I'm going to take my medicine now. Trust me...
The gun laws all make sense if you look at the purpose they serve & reason they exist. They are made to protect people from nuts like me. Be thankful & go about your business in peace & safety.
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applies to all the above. Mostly. Here in Georgia, the new law waiting for Gov. Perdue to sign will let CCW in bars as I've heard. Anyone feel free to correct me. But the new law also says you can't drink alcohol if you do carry into a bar.
Put in your situation, which I actually have been, I didn't drink any alcohol.
Put in your situation, which I actually have been, I didn't drink any alcohol.
siglite
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There's an awful lot of what the head-shrinkers call "projection" going on in this thread. Seems to be an awful lot of folks who apparently fear they'd be untrustworthy in the proximity of alcohol and a firearm. And since they fear they'd be untrustworthy, they're projecting that fear onto the rest of society by screaming for teetotalling while carrying.
Such screams say more about your own fears of being able to drink responsibly than they do anything else. It's a microcosm of the antis "shootouts over parking spaces" fears.
So for those of you who espouse this position, please do not drink in the proximity of large sticks. Please do not drink a beer while working on the garden, as your shovel likewise is a deadly weapon. You may go crazy and bludgeon people to death in a drunken rage. Please do not drink at baseball games. Someone may brush into you, and discover that you have one of those novelty wooden bats. Then you'll have to explain why you're carrying a deadly weapon in a ballpark. And someone might start a fight over something silly, like a bad call at first, and then you and your novelty bat might get drug into a deadly force encounter where you might be faced with the choice of whether or not to beat someone to death.
Likewise, please do not drink in any establishment, restaurant, or home with a pool table. Pool queues are deadly, and people who have been drinking are not to be trusted with deadly weapons and alcohol. Please remove all pool queues from the premises before opening a cold one.
Also, please avoid drinking alcohol at steak-houses. Steaks require large, sharp, and dangerous knives to eat. Alcohol and deadly weapons do not mix, per your own statements. We should not allow anyone who's intoxicated to be in possession of such a deadly implement. We don't want some slobbering fool to stab the waiter over a delusional drunken suspicion that he spit in the salad.
For those of you that espouse this "zero alcohol and guns" position, if you drink, I suggest you do it in the middle of a large desert (a sand dune desert, no large, and potentially deadly rocks may be present) mostly naked, with no potentially deadly implements within a ten hour walking distance.
Such screams say more about your own fears of being able to drink responsibly than they do anything else. It's a microcosm of the antis "shootouts over parking spaces" fears.
So for those of you who espouse this position, please do not drink in the proximity of large sticks. Please do not drink a beer while working on the garden, as your shovel likewise is a deadly weapon. You may go crazy and bludgeon people to death in a drunken rage. Please do not drink at baseball games. Someone may brush into you, and discover that you have one of those novelty wooden bats. Then you'll have to explain why you're carrying a deadly weapon in a ballpark. And someone might start a fight over something silly, like a bad call at first, and then you and your novelty bat might get drug into a deadly force encounter where you might be faced with the choice of whether or not to beat someone to death.
Likewise, please do not drink in any establishment, restaurant, or home with a pool table. Pool queues are deadly, and people who have been drinking are not to be trusted with deadly weapons and alcohol. Please remove all pool queues from the premises before opening a cold one.
Also, please avoid drinking alcohol at steak-houses. Steaks require large, sharp, and dangerous knives to eat. Alcohol and deadly weapons do not mix, per your own statements. We should not allow anyone who's intoxicated to be in possession of such a deadly implement. We don't want some slobbering fool to stab the waiter over a delusional drunken suspicion that he spit in the salad.
For those of you that espouse this "zero alcohol and guns" position, if you drink, I suggest you do it in the middle of a large desert (a sand dune desert, no large, and potentially deadly rocks may be present) mostly naked, with no potentially deadly implements within a ten hour walking distance.
Bobarino
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Rob,
living in WA, i have found myself if the exact same spot as you a few times. if i had carried into a bar (and i'm not saying i have) i would have sat someplace where there was no possibility of someone walking behind me and brushing up against my gun like in a booth or back against a wall, and limited my alcohol consumption to sipping down a beer every hour and a half or so. having my car stolen 3 different times taught me that locked in my car is not the safest place for the gun be. in my immediate control is best. its quite easy to exercise control with regards to alcohol. no alcohol while carrying is of course best but, having a beer or a glass of wine with dinner and friends is certainly nothing to get bent outta shape over unless you have the alcohol tolerance of a 102 lb college freshman.
either way, the laws in WA can put you in a tough spot sometimes. for those times, i just use my brains, and concealed means concealed.
Bobby
living in WA, i have found myself if the exact same spot as you a few times. if i had carried into a bar (and i'm not saying i have
) i would have sat someplace where there was no possibility of someone walking behind me and brushing up against my gun like in a booth or back against a wall, and limited my alcohol consumption to sipping down a beer every hour and a half or so. having my car stolen 3 different times taught me that locked in my car is not the safest place for the gun be. in my immediate control is best. its quite easy to exercise control with regards to alcohol. no alcohol while carrying is of course best but, having a beer or a glass of wine with dinner and friends is certainly nothing to get bent outta shape over unless you have the alcohol tolerance of a 102 lb college freshman.either way, the laws in WA can put you in a tough spot sometimes. for those times, i just use my brains, and concealed means concealed.
Bobby
eric.cartman
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biker: *&% BURP %&*
eric.cartman: *&% BURP %&*
Well snap. I'm 27. I drink. And I go to bars.
I often have a beer or whiskey at home, while a pistol sits in my pocket. Amazingly my wife, friends and neighbors are still alive.
It's too bad you can't *legally* CCW in a bar in FL... oh well
eric.cartman: *&% BURP %&*
Well snap. I'm 27. I drink. And I go to bars.
I often have a beer or whiskey at home, while a pistol sits in my pocket. Amazingly my wife, friends and neighbors are still alive.
It's too bad you can't *legally* CCW in a bar in FL... oh well
siglite...
In Georgia if you get in an auto accident and have ANY alcohol in your system, they can charge you with DUI. What do you think would happen if you had alcohol in your system and had to shoot someone? It is common sense not to do anything dangerous while intoxicated. It has been proven in every way possible that alcohol dulls your senses, slows your reflexes, and impairs your judgement. One of the few ways to prove self defense is to prove you thought your life was in danger at the time you used deadly force. If you have been drinking, any 2bit lawyer on earth could convince the jury that your perceptions were flawed due to alcohol and it was an unjust killing vs self defense.
In Georgia if you get in an auto accident and have ANY alcohol in your system, they can charge you with DUI. What do you think would happen if you had alcohol in your system and had to shoot someone? It is common sense not to do anything dangerous while intoxicated. It has been proven in every way possible that alcohol dulls your senses, slows your reflexes, and impairs your judgement. One of the few ways to prove self defense is to prove you thought your life was in danger at the time you used deadly force. If you have been drinking, any 2bit lawyer on earth could convince the jury that your perceptions were flawed due to alcohol and it was an unjust killing vs self defense.
proud2deviate
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Little things like this make me really appreciate that "shall not be a criminal offense," bit in Missouri's CCW laws. . .
The application process here sucks, (huzzah for non-resident licenses!) but they got most of the other stuff fairly right.
The application process here sucks, (huzzah for non-resident licenses!) but they got most of the other stuff fairly right.
siglite
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Then you'd better never ever drink except in a bunker surrounded by heavily armed marines, deep in an underground vault. Because, if you happen to have alcohol in your system, and you're forced to defend yourself, some attorney somewhere will charge that you were intoxicated.
In fact, if you've had a drink, apparently the only sensible course of action is to allow any attacker to simply do as he pleases, as, you'll probably be charged if you attempt to defend yourself. If you've had a beer....
1. Do not drive a car.
2. Do not carry a gun.
3. Do not place yourself in close proximity to pool queues.
4. Refrain from eating steak, except with a very dull butter knife. Preferably, use a spoon. And please, stay out of the kitchen. There are entirely too many deadly weapons in there for you to be trusted in their proximity.
5. Avoid baseball parks that give away little wooden novelty bats.
6. Stay clear of trees, as they are chock full of potentially lethal clubs.
Valkman
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Geez, just move to NV and don't worry about it. I guess all the "I'd NEVER carry in bars" worriers would feel the same about casinos? We pack in 'em all the time, and the only bloodletting is in Laughlin during the River Run.
searcher451
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Regardless of individual state laws, the simple fact of the matter is that alcohol and guns are often a deadly combination, even in the hands of otherwise responsible individuals. It's the equivalent of smoking while you pump gas: you might get away with it, but it's not too bright.
cassandrasdaddy
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tough call for me i don't drink cause i drink way too much.
i have had in my life the sad experience of a number of my friends shooting one another. 3 so far. so far none of em were sober when it happened. it makes me chose to not be around random folks drinking and carrying.someone i know gets evaluated on a case by case basis.
i have had in my life the sad experience of a number of my friends shooting one another. 3 so far. so far none of em were sober when it happened. it makes me chose to not be around random folks drinking and carrying.someone i know gets evaluated on a case by case basis.
"I've also find it disconcerting the amount of law worship around here.
Remember illegal does not equal immoral or even wrong."
The contrasting ambivalence towards the law is what I find disconcerting. If one disagrees with a law, one should work within the system to have the offending law revised or removed. Ignoring the law simply because one disagrees with it is the road to anarchy.
The law is meant to ensure public safety through conformity, bringing those on the fringes into compliance with the wishes of the majority, as can be found codified in law. Sure, everyone on this forum may well have all of the responsibility, self-restraint and good judgment required to successfully avoid mayhem if they went into a bar armed. The law is to prevent problems with those guys lacking in said good sense or self-restraint.
Using this logic, should we decriminalize murder as well? I mean, none of you guys would ever murder anybody, right?
Remember illegal does not equal immoral or even wrong."
The contrasting ambivalence towards the law is what I find disconcerting. If one disagrees with a law, one should work within the system to have the offending law revised or removed. Ignoring the law simply because one disagrees with it is the road to anarchy.
The law is meant to ensure public safety through conformity, bringing those on the fringes into compliance with the wishes of the majority, as can be found codified in law. Sure, everyone on this forum may well have all of the responsibility, self-restraint and good judgment required to successfully avoid mayhem if they went into a bar armed. The law is to prevent problems with those guys lacking in said good sense or self-restraint.
Using this logic, should we decriminalize murder as well? I mean, none of you guys would ever murder anybody, right?
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