Cheney shoots hunting buddy (multiple threads merged)

[Tag]

the only reasons the story has legs at all is that it is so very representative of what people hate about the way he conducts himself, it graphically illustrates the core problems in his character

well said sir.

 

[mp510]

I hold the theory that he was drunk hunting and the 24 hours was to sober up a bit.

I also hold the theory that if you put him in a red wig and dress he would look like an unhappy elementary school teacher (3rd grade to be exact)

According to Dick Cheney's interview with Brit Hume (I was just watching Brit HUme on Studio B on FOXNews. Dick Cheney admittidly drank a (singular) beer during the lunch bbq, but stopped hunting for several hours for " a break".

BY that, I would assume that considering the weight of Dick Cheney and that small amount of alcohol and elapsed time, it should have been processed by then.

 

[JohnBT]

Those aren't problems, those are character traits. Maybe you should develop an appreciation for a different way of life. Just a thought.

Even the biggest Democratic Party supporter here at the office admires Mr. Cheney's goal-oriented directness, even if he doesn't a lot of his goals.

I still laughing at all the arguing going on about who reported what and to whom and the lack of discussion on how Mr. Whittington managed to pop up out of a dried up pond into the line of fire. That was what a number of early reports hinted at and today's Post stated.

John

 

[Biker]

According to Dick Cheney's interview with Brit Hume (I was just watching Brit HUme on Studio B on FOXNews. Dick Cheney admittidly drank a (singular) beer during the lunch bbq, but stopped hunting for several hours for " a break".

BY that, I would assume that considering the weight of Dick Cheney and that small amount of alcohol and elapsed time, it should have been processed by then.

To play the Devil's advocate, he wouldn't have even brought up the beer if he wasn't trying to 'head 'em off at the pass'.
Ya think?
Biker

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Oh boy, Cheney has used the old "I only had one beer" defense...

Ask the Law Enforcement, EMT personell, and ER staff that frequent this board what "I only had one beer" means. You can usually get fairly close to the amount of alcohol actually consumed by multiplying the amount they admit to by anywere from 4 to 6.

If there was a delay in the time this was reported, then it would be easy for me to believe it was reported late to allow his alcohol level to go down.

 

[Specialized]

Those aren't problems, those are character traits. Maybe you should develop an appreciation for a different way of life. Just a thought.

Even the biggest Democratic Party supporter here at the office admires Mr. Cheney's goal-oriented directness, even if he doesn't a lot of his goals.

I still laughing at all the arguing going on about who reported what and to whom and the lack of discussion on how Mr. Whittington managed to pop up out of a dried up pond into the line of fire. That was what a number of early reports hinted at and today's Post stated.

John

Different ways of life, hmmm.. Let's see: born and raised in small-town Oklahoma. That's one way of life. Lived in IL, CO, and a few places on the East Coast. Several other ways of life there. Traveled all over the world for a few years. That's a few more. Worked for a White House Chief of Staff. That's definitely another. I have quite an appreciation for people and their lives from all walks of life, thanks.

Cheney's goal-oriented directness is quite admirable, as is his level of education and intelligence, as well as his lifetime of service. However, the traits we are discussing include a penchant for secrecy, narcissism, disregard for the rule of law, and a marked inability or unwillingness to take responsibility for his own comments and actions, even in the face of irrefutable evidence that he is wrong. And yes, those "traits" are character flaws. Couple them with his hedgemonious nature and his arrogant approach to anyone that doesn't agree with his point of view, and it makes for a contentious and, one could argue, dangerously unfit leader.

 

[Biker]

Oh boy, Cheney has used the old "I only had one beer" defense...

Ask the Law Enforcement, EMT personell, and ER staff that frequent this board what "I only had one beer" means. You can usually get fairly close to the amount of alcohol actually consumed by multiplying the amount they admit to by anywere from 4 to 6.

If there was a delay in the time this was reported, then it would be easy for me to believe it was reported late to allow his alcohol level to go down.

BING. GO! This whole thing is beginning to quack and waddle.
Biker

 

[EmGeeGeorge]

I wonder if he was properly licensed? Maybe the "victim" and he were discussing finanical arrangements... and there was a disagreement... The load of shot failed to to the job, so a CIA Clandestine affairs type snuck in with a big-bore syringe with saline and a single pellet of #7 or #9...

Or maybe he is trying to get out of the VP spot so he can go back to Halliburton and make sweet moola? (above the radar)

 

[Specialized]

I was up coyote hunting all weekend in way northeast WI last weekend, and first heard about this whole incident from a buddy that called Sunday night while I was driving home. He was all upset that nobody told him they'd opened a hunting season for lawyers in TX...

 

[JohnBT]

"Couple them with his hedgemonious nature and his arrogant approach to anyone that doesn't agree with his point of view, and it makes for a contentious and, one could argue, dangerously unfit leader."

Speaking of arrogant, your interpretation of his character and behavior could be considered to be precisely that.

John

 

[Specialized]

"Couple them with his hedgemonious nature and his arrogant approach to anyone that doesn't agree with his point of view, and it makes for a contentious and, one could argue, dangerously unfit leader."

Speaking of arrogant, your interpretation of his character and behavior could be considered to be precisely that.

John

It's my opinion, get over it. If you don't agree with it, tough. Formulate your own. Just have some facts to back it up, like I do.

Your reply suggests an intolerance for viewpoints that oppose your own. You and Cheney have something in common, I think.

 

[#shooter]

Texas could not print them fast enough

I was up coyote hunting all weekend in way northeast WI last weekend, and first heard about this whole incident from a buddy that called Sunday night while I was driving home. He was all upset that nobody told him they'd opened a hunting season for lawyers in TX...

If Texas had an open lawyer season, they couldn’t print licenses fast enough. I guess it would be a reserved hunt.

 

[EmGeeGeorge]

I think Cheney is an entitled princess, but that's just my opinion.

 

[Ironbarr]

One reason this "story has legs" is that the rule these days seems to be "tear the sucker down" whomever he might be.

If it came out today (in these times) that George Washington didn't see the friend behind the Cherry tree and the friend was hurt - [add all the other possible circumstances] there would be the same vitriol, distrust and "I told you so" as we are witnessing today. They'd probably remove his portrait from the schools too.

This is a sad event for any person to experience. I'd like to believe that we don't need a guillotine to cut this man up or a cross to hang him on.

-AndyB

 

[Phyphor]

BING. GO! This whole thing is beginning to quack and waddle.
Biker

No kidding. What happened to "be aware of your target and whatever is behind it?"

Then his whole "I only had one beer!" defense.....

Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens next...

 

[RFM]

I think anyone who accidentally discharges a
firearm, should never be allowed to carry
or even hold another gun ever again. There
should be a law. This is coming from someone
who loves guns.

 

[Furncliff]

IRONBAR said..."This is a sad event for any person to experience. I'd like to believe that we don't need a guillotine to cut this man up or a cross to hang him on. "


It is a sad event, not for Cheney but for the victim of his carelessness.

Cheney will be castigated by the media AND it looks like, some in his own camp. He must have sowed some seeds, don't ya think?.....

 

[Specialized]

One reason this "story has legs" is that the rule these days seems to be "tear the sucker down" whomever he might be.

If it came out today (in these times) that George Washington didn't see the friend behind the Cherry tree and the friend was hurt - [add all the other possible circumstances] there would be the same vitriol, distrust and "I told you so" as we are witnessing today. They'd probably remove his portrait from the schools too.

This is a sad event for any person to experience. I'd like to believe that we don't need a guillotine to cut this man up or a cross to hang him on.

-AndyB

I think you're absolutely right. The press hasn't been the same since the line between news and entertainment was blurred and then eliminated organizationally by the networks, and that has now gone double for all the non-network outlets, save for the newspapers (they have their own problems just trying to compete these days). As for George Washington, the myth goes that he didn't 'fess up to his offense until he was asked later. Today's press and political climate would have impeached his stately derriere for that!

I feel badly for Cheney on a personal level, because it must have been horrifying the instant he realized what he had done (as witnessed by his interview today) and he must be pretty shaken by the firsthand experience. I stand by what I've said in earlier posts, though -- while today's climate only exacerbates and exploits such situations, I do not agree with the way he conducts himself sometimes, or sometimes with how he conducts the business of the people that put him in that role. But I'm equally frustrated with the sensationalistic drivel that passes for journalism these days, as well as with the lack of focus and shallowness exhibited by most of the citizenry in accepting it at face value. In the old days, we used to laugh at the people of the USSR when their government put out the same kinds of "news" in a government-controlled fashion that we now accept ourselves from independently-owned "info-tainment" sources. It's depressing.

 

[ctdonath]

Just have some facts to back it up, like I do.

Do tell.

 

[Biker]

I think anyone who accidentally discharges a
firearm, should never be allowed to carry
or even hold another gun ever again. There
should be a law. This is coming from someone
who loves guns.

Well then, there's a good chance that someday you will be denied your right to own a gun because at least one time, you screwed the pooch.
Biker

 

[Specialized]

Do tell.

The record is well-documented and easy to find. Get yourself a search engine and have a ball. You might want to start with last night's ABC News segment that aired last night, in which the reporter asked Cheney about a series of quotes, each of which he denied saying, and then showed earlier video of Cheney saying each of the quotes in question, verbatim. That'd be a great place to start. Enjoy! I'll be sitting here with my stopwatch, waiting for the deflections to begin.

 

[Slinger]

YOU HAVE A CHOICE

You have a choice of one of two dream trips...

An all expense paid quail hunt with the V.P.. or....

A car ride with Senator Kennedy over the Chappaquidic Bridge...

 

[Specialized]

You have a choice of one of two dream trips...

An all expense paid quail hunt with the V.P.. or....

A car ride with Senator Kennedy over the Chappaquidic Bridge...

ROTFLMAO! That's funny...

Hey, at least when the Kennedys try to grease somebody, they make it stick! I'll bet Abramoff is sitting at home, wide-eyed, thinking, "There but for the grace of God go I..."

 

[ctdonath]

I think anyone who accidentally discharges a firearm, should never be allowed to carry or even hold another gun ever again. There should be a law.

Accidental discharges are, beyond sheer stupid negligence, a matter of statistics. Handle guns enough, fire enough rounds, and you WILL have an AD eventually. Cheney is an avid hunter; between enough rounds fired and (from what little we know) someone doing something stupid (sneaking up in a situation where everyone is expected to know where everyone is), the dice rolled against him.

Yes, Rule #4 was violated, but not gratuitously: there was a defined field of active fire, and the other guy was in it when someone was focused on hitting a moving target. Correlary to Rule #4 is "don't be in someone else's field of fire."

As with most accidents, some blame can be placed. Question is, to what degree do you hammer on the blame? Zero tolerance of anything is usually misguided, even with guns. Conspiracies aside, I don't see this instance being anything more than a genuine accident.

 

[ctdonath]

The record is well-documented and easy to find.

You said you have facts. That you won't share them raises doubts.