Concealed Handgun Licensee Stops Philadelphia Hospital Shooting

[CLP]

seeker_two wisecracked,

"Doctors can afford better lawyers than can 7-11 clerks and pizza delivery drivers..... "

Quoted for Truth.

With a capital "T."

Terry

How often do you hear about gas station clerks and pizza deliverers being sued?

 

[Red Wind]

And the headache after. From NBC no less. For those that thought the antis were just going to ignore this story or spin it to say "well with background checks the patient would not have had a gun." Well you are wrong. This anti is attacking the legally armed and defending psychiatrist. I swear I am not making this up, I can't come up with this level of stupid on my own...

I read the articles. NBC News can make you feel quite nauseous right quick. GE/NBC. They are never gonna get it.

 

[Tom609]

As Bob2222 said, "Since physicians and particularly psychiatrists will be in pretty short supply for the foreseeable future, I wouldn't be overly concerned about his professional future. And the doctor is probably very very happy just to be alive right now."

I agree. There aren't a lot of psychiatrists lined up and ready to work at community mental health centers. Patients are primarily Medicaid recipients and treatment is usually just medication monitoring. He has some leverage and I'll bet a box of .22s that he retains his position.

 

[BSA1]

I'd bet the doc gets canned sooner or later but under another guise so that the hospital doesn't get bad press over it.

Why is it everytime a legal shooting is posted someone comes along and makes comments about how bad things are going to be for the person that defended themselves? If you have knowledge of this happening to a Doctor please post the incident and the links for it.

No doubt in my mind the guy was heroic and probably saved other's lives, but I think the hospital has yet to make any final decisions regarding his status. Hopefully he remains with them. This incident really highlights the stupidity of these gun-free zones and no-gun policies.

Folks that do not work in the medical field do not realize how much authority Doctors have. Without Doctors the medical facilities would not exist. It is the Doctors that bring in the money both with patients and the medical support department that provide expensive services such as lab work, etc.

The other side of the coin is why didn't the Hospital provide enough security to protect the Doctors, staff and other patients. It is the Hospital Administrators than are going to be running for cover as this incident proves the inadequacy of their security precautions.

 

[RustyShackelford]

Deep pockets, et al.....

I take issue with the "who sues pizza delivery drivers & 7-11 clerks".
Many lawyers/law firms actively look for "wrongful death" or civil actions in these situations. Ideally they want the $$$ from the "deep pockets" of a insured corporation or large business but they'll leap on a employee or small business too.
After the huge George Zimmerman/Trevon Martin mess(Sanford FL, 2012), the Martin family & lawyers filed a civil action against the HOA/board. That group quietly settled out court, reportedly paying the Martins & the law firm approx $1,000,000.00.

These are points to consider when you decide to carry a loaded firearm concealed or work in a armed occupation.

 

[we are not amused]

It was a very different Democratic Party back then.

Not really.

 

[herrwalther]

Why is it everytime a legal shooting is posted someone comes along and makes comments about how bad things are going to be for the person that defended themselves? If you have knowledge of this happening to a Doctor please post the incident and the links for it.

Because it happens. Just last week I was watching NRA news about a gas station clerk in Rutland, VT (stone throw from where I grew up and went to university) was fired for using a firearm to prevent an armed robbery because it was against company policy. We have to get this "gun free zone" crap out of our head. They don't work whether they are legal or company defined.

 

[BSA1]

Because it happens. Just last week I was watching NRA news about a gas station clerk in Rutland, VT (stone throw from where I grew up and went to university) was fired for using a firearm to prevent an armed robbery because it was against company policy.

Without knowing all the details in general this is not a bad policy. There is always the chance of you getting the short end of a shoot-out with the criminal. Catching a bullet for a few dollars of someone else's money for me isn't worth it.

It is easy to terminate a employee who only earns minimium wage and has few job skills. In this case we are talking about a highly educated, trained professional who is providing a badly needed mental health service.

It would be interesting to see data on how many employees loose their job after using a firearm to defend their co-workers and themselves in the workplace.

 

[Sol]

^ I don't know about losing their jobs, but bet your money that the criminal or their family tries to sue the shooter out of existance.

 

[seeker_two]

seeker_two wisecracked,

"Doctors can afford better lawyers than can 7-11 clerks and pizza delivery drivers..... "

Quoted for Truth.

With a capital "T."

Terry

How often do you hear about gas station clerks and pizza deliverers being sued?

That was a serious remark....and I was referring to the doctor suing the hospital for wrongful termination. Even a settlement will cost a hospital more than just keeping him on. Clerks & delivery drivers don't have that protection.

 

[herrwalther]

Without knowing all the details in general this is not a bad policy. There is always the chance of you getting the short end of a shoot-out with the criminal. Catching a bullet for a few dollars of someone else's money for me isn't worth it.

It is easy to terminate a employee who only earns minimium wage and has few job skills. In this case we are talking about a highly educated, trained professional who is providing a badly needed mental health service.

It would be interesting to see data on how many employees loose their job after using a firearm to defend their co-workers and themselves in the workplace.

I agree with you to an extent. My interest in the story was its proximity to where I grew up. I used to work in "stop and rob" gas stations and really wished I had a firearm. Not to defend my employer's money from lottery tickets and gas but my own life. The problem with that line of thinking is when is it okay to draw? You can be a cashier working your job when someone comes in demanding money. They might have a gun or knife. I have seen footage of robberies go from bad to worse, they get the money but shoot the clerk anyway. And there is little time to gamble when they decide to change their mind.

 

[BSA1]

A one point in my misspent life I worked part-time at night at a "stop-n-rob" by myself. Contrary to company policy I carried a cocked and locked 45 under my smock. The only situations I would have used it were if the robber told me to get on my knees, ordered me into the back room or started shooting. Otherwise he was welcome to anything in the store.

 

[230RN]

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[DeadMoneyDrew]

A one point in my misspent life I worked part-time at night at a "stop-n-rob" by myself.

Same here except for the working by myself part. I worked at such a joint for around a year and a half, and though I was never personally robbed, the place did get knocked over 4 or 5 times during my time there.

I didn't own a gun back then and hadn't yet developed any particularly strong feelings one way or the other on the RKBA. But I knew that one of my fellow clerks regularly carried a concealed pistol at work. I don't know if this was against company policy or not, but nevertheless it didn't bother me in the least.

I guess that's what happens when one grows up around firearms.

 

[tcoz]

My daughter-in-law works for a company that has a strict no gun policy. Her job involves traveling to multiple locations almost every day that are in very sketchy rural areas of South Carolina. She's recounted to me numerous occasions where she either hasn't gotten out of her vehicle or has gotten back in it and quickly driven away because of situations that were either threatening or very discomforting to her. She also owns and knows how to handle a handgun, but hasn't bothered to get her carry permit. I've told her more than a few times that as long as she didn't go around talking about it, the only way the company would find out that she carried on the job would be if she had to use it to defend her life, in which case she would gladly trade her job for her life. I'd feel a little better even if she just kept it in her vehicle and not on her person. I don't want to be overbearing since carrying is a very personal decision and requires a tremendous commitment, but I sure would feel better if I knew that she had the means to protect herself if something happened, especially since she's going to be a new mother soon.

 

[RustyShackelford]

True story.....

About 2 years ago, I heard a media story of a home based medical care company in metro Chicago IL. The CNAs & home-care nurses would be escorted by armed security officers(mostly retired Chicago area cops). These medical workers wouldn't carry guns(by company SOP) but the areas were so dangerous, the company balked & hired security officers.
It's sad when large companies will hire & pay armed guards but they won't trust or feel confident in their own employees.
These large firms want that Medicare/Medicad $$$ too so they'll pay for the armed security.

This is the society we now live in.

 

[herrwalther]

About 2 years ago, I heard a media story of a home based medical care company in metro Chicago IL. The CNAs & home-care nurses would be escorted by armed security officers(mostly retired Chicago area cops). These medical workers wouldn't carry guns(by company SOP) but the areas were so dangerous, the company balked & hired security officers.
It's sad when large companies will hire & pay armed guards but they won't trust or feel confident in their own employees.
These large firms want that Medicare/Medicad $$$ too so they'll pay for the armed security.

This is the society we now live in.

We don't trust YOU with firearms but we trust these rent-a-cops with firearms. I see that mentality far too often. My state uses a state wide certification for armed security guards. What passes for "firearm qualification" I could have done shooting with my weak hand, an eye poked out, and hopping on one foot. But yet I have to carry *that* firearm on duty that I have only fired 30 rounds with and not one of mine that have thousands of rounds. First rate logic there.