Conealed carry in National Parks

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I am cross posting this post from www.packing.org in hopes of getting more people to write to their elected officials. (original post: (http://www.packing.org/community/laws_politics/listview/6189)

Action needed on National Parks!

The following letter needs to be sent to the key U.S. Representatives and Senators in your state to get the VCDL Petition for Rule Making out of limbo. If we want to be able to carry a gun for self-defense in a National Park it looks like we are going to have to keep pressing the issue or it will simply sit on somebody's desk until we have a new President...

HOUSE VERSION:

The Honorable ___________
United States House of Representatives
Washington, DC 20510
December nn, 2005

Dear Representative __________:

I need your help in supporting the Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL) sponsored Petition for Rule Making to amend CFR 36, Regulation 2.4.

Current Park Service regulations prohibit all viable forms of self-defense, even for off duty law enforcement and citizens with concealed handgun permits! The amended regulation would assimilate local gun laws allowing law-abiding citizens and off-duty law enforcement officers to carry defensive firearms in National Parks unless such carry is prohibited by the state where the Park resides. The assimilation of local firearms laws is used in our National Forests and it works well.

The VCDL, together with over 40 co-petitioners, submitted a petition to amend regulation 2.4 to the Department of the Interior February 11, 2005. The petitioners and I need your help to get the commonsense changes in the VCDL petition published in the next Federal Register for comment and for subsequent implementation.
Here is an Internet link to the submitted petition: http://www.vcdl.org/new/Petition_for_Rulemaking.pdf

Please contact the Department of the Interior's Secretary, Gale Norton, on my behalf and tell her to publish the VCDL petition amending CFR 36 Regulation 2.4 without delay in the next Federal Register as a matter of public safety.

* The VCDL petition to amend CFR 36, Regulation 2.4 would only allow law abiding citizens, and off duty law enforcement officers to carry defensive firearms and ONLY use them in self-defense or defense of another so long as it is legal in the state where the Park resides.

* The VCDL petition honors the citizen's right to self-defense while preserving the National Parks authority to regulate hunting, fishing and other weapons, traps or nets.

* The VCDL petition respects the authority of the People to determine what manner of self-defense is acceptable, subject to reasonable regulation by the States.

* The current regulation represents a comprehensive ban on self-defense, written at a prior time when the 2nd Amendment was relegated to the dangerous 'collective' rights theory. Today, legal scholars, courts, the US Department of Justice, state legislatures, and the Congress all agree that the 2nd Amendment secures individual rights to both keep, and bear arms. The current regulation stands in defiance of the will of Congress, the People, the President, the Constitution and common sense.

* The VCDL petition has bipartisan support in Congress, and among the People.

I ask that you join the bipartisan team of supporters to get VCDL's petition to the Department of the Interior published without delay, in the next Federal Register.

Please contact me with any questions, and let me know when you have contacted the Department of the Interior.

Sincerely,
[Name]
[Address]
[Telephone # ]

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SENATE VERSION:


The Honorable ___________
United States Senate
Washington, DC 20510
December nn, 2005

Dear Senator __________:

I need your help in supporting the Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL) sponsored Petition for Rule Making to amend CFR 36, Regulation 2.4.

Current Park Service regulations prohibit all viable forms of self-defense, even for off duty law enforcement and citizens with concealed handgun permits! The amended regulation would assimilate local gun laws allowing law-abiding citizens and off-duty law enforcement officers to carry defensive firearms in National Parks unless such carry is prohibited by the state where the Park resides. The assimilation of local firearms laws is used in our National Forests and it works well.

The VCDL, together with over 40 co-petitioners, submitted a petition to amend regulation 2.4 to the Department of the Interior February 11, 2005. The petitioners and I need your help to get the commonsense changes in the VCDL petition published in the next Federal Register for comment and for subsequent implementation.
Here is an Internet link to the submitted petition: http://www.vcdl.org/new/Petition_for_Rulemaking.pdf

Please contact the Department of the Interior's Secretary, Gale Norton, on my behalf and tell her to publish the VCDL petition amending CFR 36 Regulation 2.4 without delay in the next Federal Register as a matter of public safety.

* The VCDL petition to amend CFR 36, Regulation 2.4 would only allow law abiding citizens, and off duty law enforcement officers to carry defensive firearms and ONLY use them in self-defense or defense of another so long as it is legal in the state where the Park resides.

* The VCDL petition honors the citizen's right to self-defense while preserving the National Parks authority to regulate hunting, fishing and other weapons, traps or nets.

* The VCDL petition respects the authority of the People to determine what manner of self-defense is acceptable, subject to reasonable regulation by the States.

* The current regulation represents a comprehensive ban on self-defense, written at a prior time when the 2nd Amendment was relegated to the dangerous 'collective' rights theory. Today, legal scholars, courts, the US Department of Justice, state legislatures, and the Congress all agree that the 2nd Amendment secures individual rights to both keep, and bear arms. The current regulation stands in defiance of the will of Congress, the People, the President, the Constitution and common sense.

* The VCDL petition has bipartisan support in Congress, and among the People.

I ask that you join the bipartisan team of supporters to get VCDL's petition to the Department of the Interior published without delay, in the next Federal Register.

Please contact me with any questions, and let me know when you have contacted the Department of the Interior.

Sincerely,
[Name]
[Address]
[Telephone # ]

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Philip Van Cleave, President, VCDL

*Cross Post from www.packing.org
 
This could be changed via Executive Order. Why hasn't Dubya, or his libertarian-minded Interior Secretary make a move on this?

RIck
 
Dan0076 said:
Action needed on National Parks!

Dan... thanks for posting this... I will write my representative!

To be honest, however, I am more concerned about the total ban on hunting in some national parks... I pay for these facilities but I can't hunt in them?

Irritates me!

I fully support the idea of concealed carry (or open carry) in parks... if not, who's going to defend you...Yogi?
 
huh?

This could be changed via Executive Order. Why hasn't Dubya, or his libertarian-minded Interior Secretary make a move on this?

The ban is part of the code of federal regulations. CFR 36, regulation 2.4 specifically. The founder of Ourcivilrights.org tried that tactic many years ago unsuccessfully. More than likely because it never made it anywhere close to the President's desk. And, I can promise you that at the highest point it made it in the Executive Branch, the National Park Service "wrapped themselves sqarely in the mantle of public safety", using buzz-phrases like "necessary tool for law enforcement" which are the political equivalent of the "Jedi mind trick". The current effort to repeal the National Parks ban has worked within the governmental framework - amending the CFR, and backed it up with Congressional support. Some key congressional supporters sit on committees which oversee the NPS.

The current repeal effort will work, if you all try. I have a support the NPS ban Repeal page here: http://www.bighammer.net/pages/22/index.htm
The page links to a timeline with docs, saved articles, hints, and contact information.

It isn't rocket science, all you have to do is pick up the phone and call your Congressional delegation and express support for repealing the ban, ask for their help. It's really that simple. You can email too, and I have a link to GOA's 'contact your elected representatives' page.
 
I didn't know it was banned. I've carried concealed in Nat'l Parks and nobody's ever said anything. Maybe because it was concealed? Why do we think we need permission for everything?
 
I didn't know it was banned. I've carried concealed in Nat'l Parks and nobody's ever said anything. Maybe because it was concealed? Why do we think we need permission for everything?

I don't know... maybe because some governmental type took the liberty of creating this infringement, crapping on our constitution?

Do you think that since you can be concealed, we should just let other gun bans be as well? :scrutiny:

How about just lending a hand?
 
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