Do you feel under gunned with a revolver?

[Photoman]

Man I don't care what gun I've got in my hand during a gunfight, I'm going to feel "undergunned"!!!

 

[rogertc1]

UZI pistol with a 30 round mag. THE Only way to carry concealed ..ya think?

 

[Prosser]

I loved the Cobray Mac 10's, with their shoulder holsters/rigs. 32 round clips, what 3 or 4 of them, plus, a 45 ACP submachine gun, with clip, 32 rounds. 7000 grains in 2 seconds..

That said, a 440-525 grain bullet, at 1100 fps, with a big LFN, in .510", or a HP, opening up to the size of a 2 bore rifle bullet...You think YOU would feel undergunned? Essentially, your carrying an old elephant rifle that's the size of a
6 gun...

 

[ironhead7544]

Contrary to popular opinion, revolvers can jam and get worn out. Ask any gunsmith. For carry with either type its best to have the same gun for practice and one for carry. Shoot the carry gun once or twice a year to make sure its still working OK.

The snubs are OK if you must have a tiny gun. Frankly, I dont want anything smaller or lighter than a Ruger SP101 3 inch in a revolver. I just cant hit as fast or accurately as I want to with anything smaller.

Currently Im using a G26 with CorBon 115 gr loads. This is really the smallest gun I want to have as a primary carry piece. I have the +2 Glock mag bottom for 13 shots. Generally I dont carry an extra mag unless going out on the road.

To answer your original question, Im OK with the revolver in the right size for personal protection. I have used them professionally in the past when required. But I feel the G26 gives me a slight edge.

Recently, Ive been thinking of switching to a more powerful revolver. I saw a video of a black bear attacking a white tail buck that had been crippled by a car. That bear was vicious! Subdued the buck and then proceeded to eat him while he was still alive. We have both here in the area I live. Im thinking a Taurus Tracker in 44 Mag might be about right. Same size as a S&W M10.

 

[Stainz]

So, Ironhead, are these some of the 'tiny' snubbies of which you speak?



I have to admit, I will feel better with one of these than my usual 642 - even though they still will likely carry the same +P 158gr LHPSWC's - just eight of them in a 'clip.

You say you carried 'professionally' - yet, you want a Taurus .44 for woods protection? Seems a dichotomy to me. Myself, I'd rely on my 4" 629... but I am a root amateur. Okay, I had to carry a 1911 while I was on watch... in bell bottoms... Nixon was President.

No, I usually don't feel under-gunned with a revolver... admittedly, some times something belt-fed would be better...

Stainz

 

[sixguns4fighting]

Do you guys feel under gunned with a revolver? I've always been a little nervous only having 5, 6, or even 7 shots knowing that there's 17 round Glocks out and about. I would have to reload 3 times more then they would. Just to be clear, I'm not trying to start anything here. I just want to hear all of your takes on the subject.

-Enigma

If you have to reload after depleting a 17rd magazine, then your gunfight is going to make national news. If you need that much firepower, you really need a rifle and some friends with rifles too.

A revolver is adequate for civilian self defense needs.

 

[stinger 327]

If you have to reload after depleting a 17rd magazine, then your gunfight is going to make national news. If you need that much firepower, you really need a rifle and some friends with rifles too.

A revolver is adequate for civilian self defense needs.

This is for when you are out in the battle field in a war against our terriorsts.

 

[20x12ga]

That's just what I was trying to get across. If six doesn't get it done then is more the answer.Well as far as the bad guy you talk about ,if six .45's won't stop him ,maybe you have met your match? I have yet to hear of anbody that can take 6-.45's and keep on comming,and also as I stated,there are speedloaders for this tough guy and his other friends as you mentioned.If you can't make at least one fatal shot out of 6 with your revolver (and some do hold more than 6 in a little bit smaller cal.)then I say again practice,practice,practice until you can.Also the idea of an addtional gun can be a good idea,but the run and gun won't seem to do you much good again if you can't make the needed shots.A well placed shot from a .357mag. is better than 10 shots to the foot or thigh by an even BIGGER cal.gun. I have to agree with Wyatt Earp about the accurate shot being the best defense.We are all on the same side of the fence here and any gun is better than No gun,but as far as under gunned we all need to shoot the one that can deliver the shot needed to get R Done by are own abilty.Love the feed back though and God Bless the N.R.A.

 

[stinger 327]

Contrary to popular opinion, revolvers can jam and get worn out. Ask any gunsmith. For carry with either type its best to have the same gun for practice and one for carry. Shoot the carry gun once or twice a year to make sure its still working OK.

The snubs are OK if you must have a tiny gun. Frankly, I dont want anything smaller or lighter than a Ruger SP101 3 inch in a revolver. I just cant hit as fast or accurately as I want to with anything smaller.

Currently Im using a G26 with CorBon 115 gr loads. This is really the smallest gun I want to have as a primary carry piece. I have the +2 Glock mag bottom for 13 shots. Generally I dont carry an extra mag unless going out on the road.

To answer your original question, Im OK with the revolver in the right size for personal protection. I have used them professionally in the past when required. But I feel the G26 gives me a slight edge.

Recently, Ive been thinking of switching to a more powerful revolver. I saw a video of a black bear attacking a white tail buck that had been crippled by a car. That bear was vicious! Subdued the buck and then proceeded to eat him while he was still alive. We have both here in the area I live. Im thinking a Taurus Tracker in 44 Mag might be about right. Same size as a S&W M10.

Revovlers do jam I don't know what causes this but sometimes the trigger will not operate (Jams) in moving the next cylinder. Maybe the heat causes expansion? Or lots of residue build ups from using hot loads on the range? I have witnessed this a few times with revolvers on the range.
Also I notice that if you point a revolver straight up in a vertical position on some models the cylinder will not turn because cartridge jams cylinder from moving. You can see this happen on some revolvers when the bullet moves backwards and jams up the rotation. You can hear it too when the bullets in cylinder move forward and backwards.

 

[stinger 327]

I loved the Cobray Mac 10's, with their shoulder holsters/rigs. 32 round clips, what 3 or 4 of them, plus, a 45 ACP submachine gun, with clip, 32 rounds. 7000 grains in 2 seconds..

That said, a 440-525 grain bullet, at 1100 fps, with a big LFN, in .510", or a HP, opening up to the size of a 2 bore rifle bullet...You think YOU would feel undergunned? Essentially, your carrying an old elephant rifle that's the size of a
6 gun...

Just use an AK-47 at least that is a rifle round.

 

[Prosser]

Stinger:
You could conceal a Mac 10, yes, you'd have to take the clip out, in one of their shoulder rigs. Kind of like a shoulder rig with a 500 S&W.

But, you had 21000 grains of bullets you could put on target, in less then 10 seconds.

Ak's are not so concealable.

 

[stinger 327]

Stinger:
You could conceal a Mac 10, yes, you'd have to take the clip out, in one of their shoulder rigs. Kind of like a shoulder rig with a 500 S&W.

But, you had 21000 grains of bullets you could put on target, in less then 10 seconds.

Ak's are not so concealable.

That's alot of ammo and waste of ammo on just one target.

 

[earlthegoat2]

People who are not in the revolver camp always love to point out how revolvers also jam. This is true.

They also like pointing out that when revolvers jam it is not an easy fix. This is also true.

What they always fail to mention is semi autos jam about 100 times more and even if it is a simple and quick fix (normally and with training), in a self defense encounter you had better be sure you hit the bad guy enough to slow them down before your pistol jams and you have to clear the malfunction. Otherwise, it is already too late.

 

[Canazes9]

People who are not in the revolver camp always love to point out how revolvers also jam. This is true.

They also like pointing out that when revolvers jam it is not an easy fix. This is also true.

What they always fail to mention is semi autos jam about 100 times more and even if it is a simple and quick fix (normally and with training), in a self defense encounter you had better be sure you hit the bad guy enough to slow them down before your pistol jams and you have to clear the malfunction. Otherwise, it is already too late.

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I'm a revolver lover, have numerous revolvers carry them often. Also have quite a few autoloaders that I enjoy and carry. 100x more likely to jam?

David

 

[txhoghunter]

Okay to try to turn away from a "which is better? semi or revolver" direction, here is my take:

I do feel undergunned with a revolver, but not because of its capacity. Simply because I do not practice with one enough to be comfortable with it. When I shoot revolvers I constantly have to consciously think about burying the front sight whereas with semi's (again, the ones I practice with) aiming is pretty much second nature and muscle memory.

I'm sure if I was to want to switch, I could practice more and be just as confident with a revolver, however, for now I am comfortable with what I use, and am confident in my abilities to manipulate the gun even if it was to jam

Bottom line, it is MY abilities that would make me feel undergunned with any weapon, not the weapon's characteristics

 

[rich642z]

I carry a S&W .500 in a 2.5 inch barrel emergency gangbanger threat gun. One shot,the round with the after effects on criminal. and where they are hiding at or a very favorite of mine a Miss MA DUCE because,when the woman talks,everybody runs.

 

[SwampWolf]

That's just what I was trying to get across. If six doesn't get it done then is more the answer.

Well, YES! More could very well be the answer. If "six doesn't get it done" and you've run out of bullets, what's your answer to the dilemma you posed? Run? Beg for mercy? Crawl into the fetal position and recite the Lord's prayer? I think most of us in that situation would trade our house and car for a seventh round; and even more rounds would be even better.

 

[txhoghunter]

If six doesn't get it done, I'm going to be glad I have a few more still ready to go before a reload.

Don't get me wrong, I want to end a situation firing as few rounds as necessary because I am responsible for each one exiting the barrel, but crud happens and if for some reason 6 (or less) rounds don't solve a situation, I would like to have more.

 

[earlthegoat2]

100x more likely to jam?

OK my man, you called me on it so I will fess up. I said 100x more as a figure of speech so in that way you could say I made it up.

However, I have put roughly equal amounts of rounds through revolvers and autos and have never once had a malfunction with the revolver. I have had countless with autos.

Since I cannot make a proper ratio with the number zero........lets just say my revolvers are 100% and my autos are more like 99%. Even though it does not look it, the difference between 99 and 100% is immense in the world of odds, numbers, ratios, and percentages.

 

[Prosser]

HMM.
My 360PD locked up tight, dry firing. Stupid lock autolocked the gun.
Had to have it removed, and that messed up the trigger a little.

I've had the shroud blow off a FA 83 custom, twice.

I've had a Kimber magazine lock up my Detonics combat master so tight I had to use a hammer to get the magazine out.

That's it for my failures in recent memory.

Perhaps the worst was a rifle. First day with a demo rifle, CZ 550 in .375 H&H.
Pulled the trigger, nothing. Ejected the round, tried again, nothing.

When you don't know what it is, and, you pull the trigger on a round as powerful as the .375 H&H, you get REAL cautious. Kind of scary. What if the round fires as your setting the gun down.

Turns out the CZ was a demo rifle, from the CZ rep, and, he was selling it in a local shop. He forgot to put the firing pin back in the gun, and, it took two months to get the right one, and get it installed.

 

[Canazes9]

OK my man, you called me on it so I will fess up. I said 100x more as a figure of speech so in that way you could say I made it up.

However, I have put roughly equal amounts of rounds through revolvers and autos and have never once had a malfunction with the revolver. I have had countless with autos.

Since I cannot make a proper ratio with the number zero........lets just say my revolvers are 100% and my autos are more like 99%. Even though it does not look it, the difference between 99 and 100% is immense in the world of odds, numbers, ratios, and percentages.

As I said in my first post - I have revolvers, I like revolvers.

Revolvers do jam - had a model 66 that locked up so bad had to take it to a gunsmith.

Conversely, I've got 3 modern autoloaders in my safe w/ a combined total of almost 7000 rounds fired w/o a single malfunction.

I have both, I use both, I like both. My contention isn't that revolvers suck or are inferior - just that you have been shooting the wrong autoloaders

David

 

[NMGonzo]

A revolver is adequate for civilian self defense needs.

This is what gets me.

If i ever need to reload after unloading 5 shots of .357 magnum at arms reach I am beyond screwed no matter what they say.

 

[stinger 327]

Well, YES! More could very well be the answer. If "six doesn't get it done" and you've run out of bullets, what's your answer to the dilemma you posed? Run? Beg for mercy? Crawl into the fetal position and recite the Lord's prayer? I think most of us in that situation would trade our house and car for a seventh round; and even more rounds would be even better.

The old 12 gauge comes to mind.

 

[easyg]

If i ever need to reload after unloading 5 shots of .357 magnum at arms reach I am beyond screwed no matter what they say.

Nonsense.

Let us suppose that you are facing two assailants...

There is a very good likelyhood that you will not hit with every shot fired regardless of how good you think you are...

And there is a very good chance that it will take more than a single shot to stop each attacker...

Using a 5 shot revolver practically guarantees that that you will fail.


And should you ever be so unfortunate as to face three or more assailants..

 

[stinger 327]

As I said in my first post - I have revolvers, I like revolvers.

Revolvers do jam - had a model 66 that locked up so bad had to take it to a gunsmith.

Conversely, I've got 3 modern autoloaders in my safe w/ a combined total of almost 7000 rounds fired w/o a single malfunction.

I have both, I use both, I like both. My contention isn't that revolvers suck or are inferior - just that you have been shooting the wrong autoloaders

David

I like em both but prefer (Keep It Simple Stupid-KISS attitude) Glock is good and the revolver as if there is a ammo ftf all you do is pull trigger for next shot in revolver.
I have seen revolvers jam up I don't know if it's because of real hot loads or what but cylinder wouldn't move.