stinger 327
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Still which assailant is going to want to be the first to get hit?
Do you feel under gunned with a revolver?
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sixguns4fighting
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What gets me about those who sneer at revolvers is that they go on about capacity in such a way that they must envision themselves fighting off human wave attacks all by their lonesome... and winning.
It's not a realistic scenario. If it does happen a high cap pistol is not going to save you.
It's not a realistic scenario. If it does happen a high cap pistol is not going to save you.
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Sort of like being in a war? or a gang fight?
What is not realistic about getting into a situation with multiple attackers?
I wonder if that isn't the norm for muggers, 2-3 guys?
I'm going another way:
The big guns not only have big bullets, but, they have huge boom, blast, and fireball, if loaded with a say, 275 grain bullet, that expands to the size of a two bore rifle.
I was mugged by three guys in a bathroom. In that situation, the stun effect would have been awesome from a .44 magnum or bigger pistol, and, it certainly would have
given me a better chance then being at the mercy of a guy with a Walther PPK/S, that left a scar and about a 9 stich cut in my head.
I also wonder if a .357 magnum, at that range, out of a 360 PD, would have been like a stun grenade, giving me a huge advantage over the little Walther PPK/S the guy hit me over the head with?
I wonder if that isn't the norm for muggers, 2-3 guys?
I'm going another way:
The big guns not only have big bullets, but, they have huge boom, blast, and fireball, if loaded with a say, 275 grain bullet, that expands to the size of a two bore rifle.
I was mugged by three guys in a bathroom. In that situation, the stun effect would have been awesome from a .44 magnum or bigger pistol, and, it certainly would have
given me a better chance then being at the mercy of a guy with a Walther PPK/S, that left a scar and about a 9 stich cut in my head.
I also wonder if a .357 magnum, at that range, out of a 360 PD, would have been like a stun grenade, giving me a huge advantage over the little Walther PPK/S the guy hit me over the head with?
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I am responding from the MWR computer lab in FOB Sharana, Afghanistan. I am serving here as an Engineer (vertical) and I got an M-16A2 "musket" strapped over my shoulder now and I carried an M4 carbine when I was with the 1-303rd Cavalry, 81st Brigade in Iraq.
Yea, I might know something about war and being on the two way shooting range.
If you are going to take on an entire gang with a mere pistol, you are screwed. I advise using a rifle, having friends with rifles, be able to call for fire, and be able to call in a 9-line medivac when it's over.
Yea, I might know something about war and being on the two way shooting range.
If you are going to take on an entire gang with a mere pistol, you are screwed. I advise using a rifle, having friends with rifles, be able to call for fire, and be able to call in a 9-line medivac when it's over.
sixguns4fighting
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A revolver will do anything you need a handgun for. Need more firepower? Get a rifle as you are really in the ****.
20x12ga
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Sounds as if you need LOTS of PRACTICE !!! even "ONE" good placed shot will get the job done . I read down the page where this dreamer states that if there are 2 bad guys that they will both need mutiple shot to dispatch them ???? What's he shooting at them with ,a B B gun? First if one of the so called bad guys gets shot, the other may very well turn and run himself.Look at the facts,just the presents of a gun(any type) will stop the conflict in it's tracks,and if you still have to use the gun,then be well comfortable with whatever you carry.I just know that with the revolvers that I own and have owned ,I have Never had a a jam of any kind.I have owned quite a few autos and "everyone" of them have jamed at one time or another .Not often with the better made autos and proper cleaning,but they have all jamed where in my experinces with the six or more shot revolvers ,I have again NEVER had one jam ! I also read that stated NO Jams ever ?? Your either Lucky and odds are that your time of a jam or 2 is in your future or someone isnt tell the whole story ? either way I'll stick with what works "EVERYTIME" for me ,which happens to be one of my dependable Revolers.I feel VERY well gunned with 6 shots thank you. Bottomline is that most of us will never have to use the gun for self defense ,but lets just be ready with whatever we shoot.Love the debates ! keep on shooting and God Bless the N.R.A.
Under-gunned? NO WAY. When I was a youngster back in the '50s Dad gave me a 20ga single shot H&R and six shells. Six being the limit for squirrels. If I fired 6 shots I either had my limit or went back to the truck and waited on him. Make every shot count came in handy even when I was "presented" with a full auto rifle back in the 60s.
easyg
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Even the best shooters in the world miss sometimes.
And many a man has survived "ONE good placed shot".
Only a fool actually counts on a "one shot stop", regardless of caliber used.
So what?
This is why we practice stoppage drills.
The vast majority of auto "jams" can be resolved in less than 5 seconds.
But when a revolver "jams" it is usually out of the fight.
Squirrels don't shoot back.
Steel Talon
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And that's a bad thing?..
Many that have experienced gunfight/combat stress's have done just that and even have crapped themselves.
just saying
230therapy
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Oh, you gotta be kidding!
Just because YOU think it doesn't mean others are following your faulty line of thought.
Multiple assailants involved in a crime are a reality. The "one shot stop" concept comes from marketing departments. Bursts cause multiple wound channels, which cause faster bleed-out. Increased bleeding and tissue damage may end the attack faster. A six shot gun gets me two bursts or one zipper (4-6 rounds). A Glock 19 with 15+1 gets me five to eight bursts or two to three zippers. A 1911, HK 45C, or S&W M&P 45 Compact only gets me three bursts and two zippers.
A lot of folks in this thread have brought up a whole lot of good points but the one that I want to touch on is the idea of facing multiple attackers. Situations with multiple assailants are a reality and should be planned for. However, the idea that you will be able to win a conflict against multiple attackers who may well be armed better than you is laughable. Everyone's main objective should be getting out of the situation alive with as little injury as possible. If you truly believe that you will win a gunfight against several attackers who are shooting back you might need to step back and rethink what exactly you're planning for. If you think you're going to end up in a fight where numerous reloads are going to be a necessity and you will not survive without them you better just stay home.
Everyone of us should have a plan of action that looks something like Avoid>Escape>Fight.
Everyone of us should have a plan of action that looks something like Avoid>Escape>Fight.
ColeK
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What everyone should remember is that the main purpose of a pistol is to allow you the ability to fight your way back to your rifle.
earlthegoat2
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As some have said about the great 9mm vs 40 vs 45 debate: They are all inferior, give me more bullets.
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Or the 12 gauge shotgun.
sixguns4fighting
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A few assailents are easily handled by a revolver. But there are some here that seem to think that hoodrats are coming in vast human wave attacks and that they have the discipline to keep up their momentum while absorbing casualties. It is beyond silly.
A revolver is adequate for civilian self defense needs. Many of the scenarios presented by those who say otherwise belong to the "zombie apocalypse" threads.
A revolver is adequate for civilian self defense needs. Many of the scenarios presented by those who say otherwise belong to the "zombie apocalypse" threads.
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A revolver is adequate most of the time. However, there is the time when two or three attackers are a possibility. It wasn't too long ago that I thought my 5 shot revolver was all the answer I needed. Then three escaped convicts made their way through my neighborhood.
Nobody got hurt and they didn't bother anybody. However, would you want to face three escaped convicts with five shots? In your house you might be able to get to a rifle or shotgun. In the driveway, what are the chances? What are your chances at the corner store when they decided they want your car and money?
I carry a five shot .38spl with 158gr+p LSWC-HPs. However, when I pay off some unexpected bills (aren't there always some of those) I am looking at picking up a bottom feeder. I don't feel under gunned for 95% of encounters. I just want to make sure I can handle the other 5%.
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chieftain
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RE: OP's original question.
NO.
But then I have actually been in firefights with both semi-Auto's and revolvers.
It ain't no intellectual exercise for me.
Good luck.
Fred
NO.
But then I have actually been in firefights with both semi-Auto's and revolvers.
It ain't no intellectual exercise for me.
Good luck.
Fred
20x12ga
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Sounds as if YOU are experienced in pissing your pants ! Real men don't piss their pants pal. While your wetting yourself,I'd have already got the job done with my 6 shooter.Good luck pamperman !
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So in these firefights what's your conclusion to this topic?
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I'm sure none of those convicts want to get hit by any kind of gunshot in any caliber be it 5, 6 cylinder revolver. I wouldn't think their initial reaction is he only has 5 or 6 shots so lets take him would be thinking. They would think let's get outta here After seeing the gun or after you discharge your weapon.
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