Do you feel under gunned with a revolver?

[MikeNice]

Was the guy a Zombie on drugs? No vital hits???All of those calibers and he wouldn't go down?

To be fair some of the hits were shrapnel/ricochets. However, the first shot destroyed one of his lungs. The second and third shot went in to one of his legs. Not long after that he was hit in the forearm and his right arm was broken. He still continued to fight with one lung, one arm, and what amounts to one leg.

Look up Henry Lincoln Johnson. During WWII he was woth a shotgun, shot with a rifle, stabbed, and hit with grenade shrapnell. It all totaled up to about 21 wounds. He still went on to fight off a large group of German soldiers with his rifle and bolo knife. He used his rifle untill it was out of bullets. Then he used it as a club. When he broke the stock on a German's head he started using a bolo knife. He survived and the Germans beat it in retreat.

He managed to rescue his fellow soldier that had been wounded and taken prisoner. He killed 4 Germans and injured 24 more. The human body is an amazing thing.

 

[Prosser]

There are certain calibers in revolvers where I would feel undergunned. A 5 shot
.38 doesn't give me warm and fuzzies, nor does a 22lr, but both are far better then nothing.. Same with a Kahr PM 9, Walther PPK/S, but, with proper ammo selection, things get better.

I like the black powder approach. Clearly it's going to be hard to argue your a Rambo type if you are using a flintlock, or similar firearm.
I like the blast, flame, and concealment of a big cloud of black powder at close range. Flash bang and run, a great approach.

 

[stinger 327]

To be fair some of the hits were shrapnel/ricochets. However, the first shot destroyed one of his lungs. The second and third shot went in to one of his legs. Not long after that he was hit in the forearm and his right arm was broken. He still continued to fight with one lung, one arm, and what amounts to one lung.

Look up Henry Lincoln Johnson. During WWII he was woth a shotgun, shot with a rifle, stabbed, and hit with grenade shrapnell. It all totaled up to about 21 wounds. He still went on to fight off a large group of German soldiers with his rifle and bolo knife. He used his rifle untill it was out of bullets. Then he used it as a club. When he broke the stock on a German's head he started using a bolo knife. He survived and the Germans beat it in retreat.

He managed to rescue his fellow soldier that had been wounded and taken prisoner. He killed 4 Germans and injured 24 more. The human body is an amazing thing.

Takes a lickin and keeps on tickin. The human body is very strong. Yet with the correct placement with a .22 LR you can drop a person dead.

 

[SwampWolf]

Main thing is marksmanship, hit's are what count. Do some research on that shootout. Alot of shots were fired, some came from 9mm pistols, but very few hit. I am thinking that the agents at the scene were not avid shooters and only shot when they had to qualify.

Some of those agents were very qualified in terms of marksmanship and all were extremely brave. I think, sixguns, that you are laboring under the mistaken notion that your skills on the range will necessarily translate into "between the eyes" shots while you're exchanging shots during a gunfight. It doesn't work that way, sir. Lots of no-nothings are quick to criticize police officers who expend a seemingly inordinate number of rounds at their opponent(s) during an armed confrontation than what the uninformed deemed "necessary". But as MtnSpur pointed out:

One can practice at the range every day for years and group all their shots into the 10 circle with consistency but nothing will prepare you for that moment in time when there is an individual coming at you with a weapon bent on ending your life.

and MikeNice noted:

My point, even the most amazingly trained shooter can miss.

Despite how important shot placement is, real world shoot-outs (which generally occur in low-light situations to boot) can well result in way more misses than hits. Missing shots while under fire is not necessarily an indictment of one's marksmanship skills; it may mean nothing more than a grudging acknowledgement that adrenaline, fear and panic contribute more to our hit/miss ratio than we care to admit. Sound training practices and regular shooting can help offset crippling emotion but it will never entirely eliminate it.

 

[SwampWolf]

I go to the range and I see guys blasting away at targets no more than ten feet away with semi-automatics. Whats more their targets seem to have shotgun patterns rather than shot groups.

I suppose that is the fashion these days.

Me, I get fist sized groups at the twenty five yard line.

I'm not sure what you mean with this post but you seem to be implying that there's some kind of correlation between accuracy and whether a shooter is using one of them new-fangled, plastic pistols that carry a week's worth of bullets on board or if it's a trusty, time-proven six-shooter. If that's the point you're trying to make (and, if not, what is it?), I think you're very mistaken. Shooting a pistol/revolver accurately has everything to do with the shooter and little to do with which firearm he's using.
Shooting too quickly or too often is the end result of poor or no training and has to do with the mind-set of the shooter, not whether he's using a revolver or a semi-auto. The idea that a semi-auto makes somebody resort to a "spray and pray" mentality when involved in a gunfight is a bogus one. I believe both revolvers and semi-autos have appropriate roles in an armed citizen's weapon inventory and that neither are afflicted with a penchant for imposing a bad tactical performance on the shooter.

 

[golden]

SPRINGFIELD ARMORY XD Sub Compact

STINGER,

I have found the SPRINGFIELD ARMORY XD Sub Compact to be completely reliable. It is MUCH SMALLER than a S&W 581 with a 4 inch barrel.

The short magazine hold 13 rounds, though I normally only load 12 in the mag and 1 in the chamber, so that is 13 versus 5 or 6.

I have shot 422 rounds through this gun without a jam or misfeed. I have used ball, hollow point and +P+ hollow point and the gun is controllable with all of these rounds.

In the mid size, I have used the GLOCK 19 and WALTHER P-99 a to the tune of several thousand rounds. Again, the ammo does not matter, they shoot them all without any problems. They also weigh nearly a half pound less when loaded than my old 581.

The BERETTA 92D Compact has a shorter grip than the 92FS, so it is easier for me to conceal. The slide/barrel is shorter and that helps a little. Still, it is half a pound lighter when they are both unloaded and I prefer less weight on my hip, so I already have so much other stuff to carry.

When using 125 grain jhp, the 581 has a power per shot advantage that I pay for with a heavier gun to carry, with less than half the capacity and is harder to shoot. I had my 581 MAGNA-PORTED and the trigger tuned, so it is a really nice revolver to shoot and one that I did bet my life on as a duty gun.

With the 110 grain loads, which the ammo makers load to a lower pressure and velocity than the 125 grain ammo, I get 9m.m. +P+ performance in a heavier gun that again has 40 % of the ammo capacity and is slower to reload. It seems like a poor choice to me.

Jim

 

[sixguns4fighting]

The idea that a semi-auto makes somebody resort to a "spray and pray" mentality when involved in a gunfight is a bogus one.

Yet there are some posting on this thread that they require a high capacity automatic because they do not believe that marksmanship skills are relevant to a gun fight.

Read some of the other posts, some have stated that it will be too dark, too close, or that one will lose motor function skills due to adreneline.

So yes, there are many people who choose an auto for firepower to make up for a lack of marksmanship skill.

 

[sixguns4fighting]

BTW, one is liable for every round they fire in a gunfight. Volume of fire might win a gunfight, but collateral damage will make one into a felon.

Just another point in favor or marksmanship over the irresponsible 'spray & pray' mentality.

 

[stinger 327]

BTW, one is liable for every round they fire in a gunfight. Volume of fire might win a gunfight, but collateral damage will make one into a felon.

Just another point in favor or marksmanship over the irresponsible 'spray & pray' mentality.

Liability.

 

[stinger 327]

STINGER,

I have found the SPRINGFIELD ARMORY XD Sub Compact to be completely reliable. It is MUCH SMALLER than a S&W 581 with a 4 inch barrel.

The short magazine hold 13 rounds, though I normally only load 12 in the mag and 1 in the chamber, so that is 13 versus 5 or 6.

I have shot 422 rounds through this gun without a jam or misfeed. I have used ball, hollow point and +P+ hollow point and the gun is controllable with all of these rounds.

In the mid size, I have used the GLOCK 19 and WALTHER P-99 a to the tune of several thousand rounds. Again, the ammo does not matter, they shoot them all without any problems. They also weigh nearly a half pound less when loaded than my old 581.

The BERETTA 92D Compact has a shorter grip than the 92FS, so it is easier for me to conceal. The slide/barrel is shorter and that helps a little. Still, it is half a pound lighter when they are both unloaded and I prefer less weight on my hip, so I already have so much other stuff to carry.

When using 125 grain jhp, the 581 has a power per shot advantage that I pay for with a heavier gun to carry, with less than half the capacity and is harder to shoot. I had my 581 MAGNA-PORTED and the trigger tuned, so it is a really nice revolver to shoot and one that I did bet my life on as a duty gun.

With the 110 grain loads, which the ammo makers load to a lower pressure and velocity than the 125 grain ammo, I get 9m.m. +P+ performance in a heavier gun that again has 40 % of the ammo capacity and is slower to reload. It seems like a poor choice to me.

Jim

I held a Springfield XD and it didn't feel good in my hands. The Para-Ordinace Warthog .45 ACP felt great in my hand but I haven't heard a whole lot of good things about this gun.
The 110 grain loads must be the .38 loads and the LCR by Ruger is another light carry revolver good for conceal/carry but I'm sure it will bite back real hard but one might not notice it under the stress of gunfire. More chance of carrying the LCR or a pistol that's comfortable to carry than a heavier gun that ends up staying at home.

 

[stinger 327]

I'm not sure what you mean with this post but you seem to be implying that there's some kind of correlation between accuracy and whether a shooter is using one of them new-fangled, plastic pistols that carry a week's worth of bullets on board or if it's a trusty, time-proven six-shooter. If that's the point you're trying to make (and, if not, what is it?), I think you're very mistaken. Shooting a pistol/revolver accurately has everything to do with the shooter and little to do with which firearm he's using.
Shooting too quickly or too often is the end result of poor or no training and has to do with the mind-set of the shooter, not whether he's using a revolver or a semi-auto. The idea that a semi-auto makes somebody resort to a "spray and pray" mentality when involved in a gunfight is a bogus one. I believe both revolvers and semi-autos have appropriate roles in an armed citizen's weapon inventory and that neither are afflicted with a penchant for imposing a bad tactical performance on the shooter.

I like em both but do have personal preferences depending on how it feels in my hand. Also if it's too heavy or uncomfortable one will not carry it and leave it home so it becomes useless. One is more apt to carry the lighter more easier and comfortable gun to carry.

 

[golden]

Lucky

On those one at a time:

RECOIL:
Since I prefer the 110 grain jhp loads over the 125 grain jhp rounds in my .357 magnum, power is the same for both types, but the pistols are lighter and carry much more ammo.
As the semi-automatic pistols are normally powered by the recoil of the round being fired, some of the recoil is absorbed by the ejecting and reloading the chamber process of the pistol. When using ammo of the same ballistics, the pistol will have less recoil than the revolver.
Recoil absorbing, rubber grips on a revolver can help a lot, but my own experience in shooting is that the revolvers kicks more.

I am issued a .40 S&W, but prefer 9m.m. I think that power is sufficient, especially with +P and +P+ ammo.
+P+ is not a marketing gimmick. It is not a standardized pressure as +P is, but the bullet weight and velocity are standardized and the street performance is proven. My agency allowed private purchase of duty weapons in 9m.m. as long as we used the issue ammo which was +P+. I never heard of a failure to stop with it and we shot a lot of people with it.

We only went to the .40 S&W after the 155 grain jhp became available. In service use, it has proven as effective as the .357 magnum 125 grain jhp.

I know from my own experience using it, that the BERETTA 96D and H&K P-2000 are easier to shoot that my S&W 681 using the 125 grain jhp. My agency has found the .40 S&W just as effective on the street.

COMPACTNESS:
I do not find a BERETTA 92D more compact than a S&W 681, just lighter.
I do find the BERETTA 92D Compact, even lighter and easier to conceal due to the flat shape.
I find my GLOCK 19 and WALTHER P-99 much lighter and even easier to conceal.
Concerning my SPRINGFIELD ARMORY XD Sub Compact, it is absolutely more compact with 13 rounds instead of 6.
A S&W j frame with a 3 inch barrel is very compact and light. It also has only 5 rounds, is slow to reload and not much easier to conceal than my XD.

TRIGGER:
Yes, the choice of gun makes a big difference, but you have more choices with a pistol. I prefer double action only guns in both pistols and revolvers. I had the trigger on my 581 and 681 tuned and made double action only.
My agency then adopted the BERETTA 96D Brigadier and I was shocked at how nice the trigger was. Since then, I have shot BERETTA double action only models more than any other pistol. BERETTA removed the single action springs and this smoothed and lightened the double action trigger to the point it feels as good as my revolvers.
If you want a different trigger, like a short, light one, you can go GLOCK, XD or 1911 style single action. There is nothing comparable with a revolver that I would consider for self defense or police use. Single action revolvers have no place in police use.
Also, you can go with a double action/single action trigger like the SIG pistols.
It is the shooter's choice.

SIGHTS:
The BERETTA Brigadier had large, easy to see sights with night sights. VERY FEW, IF ANY REVOLVERS come from the factory with these very useful features. Sure you can add them, but I have bought my guns with them already installed. If you don't think they are useful, fine, but my first night qualification with night sights convinced me. BIG ADVANTAGE.
Also, while not a sight, a rail that you can attached a light or laser too is a huge advantage. Night quals with a flashlight in hand proved that to me as well. My house gun carries a light and will never be without it.

RELOAD:
No way can revolvers compete. Yes, Jerry MICULEK can do it and he is amazing, but few others can. Show any police department which still issues a revolver with officers who can reload as fast as a department using pistols.

I can reload my pistol in about 1/3 the time I can reload a revolver with less chance of a blown reload and I have to reload far fewer times.
I have seen many officers reload a pistol quicker and none reload slower.

I have based my opinions on my experience and observations in using both types of handguns for defense and law enforcement.

I have nothing against a good revolver, I still own my 681 and 686 as well as others, but I would feel better armed with a pistol.

Jim

 

[stinger 327]

In that Miami Shootout in 1986 with the 2 felons and numerous officers, one of the felons was using a .223 Mini-14 so he already had most of them out gunned powerwise and capacity of ammo

 

[sixguns4fighting]

In that Miami Shootout in 1986 with the 2 felons and numerous officers, one of the felons was using a .223 Mini-14 so he already had most of them out gunned powerwise and capacity of ammo

Which is why one should grab a rifle when they know they are going into trouble.

 

[sixguns4fighting]

Since I prefer the 110 grain jhp loads over the 125 grain jhp rounds in my .357 magnum

That is the part I am not understanding. Why use such light loads in a MAGNUM?

 

[golden]

I agree with lighter

STINGER,

I agree with you on the lighter and sometimes carry an even more compact weapon at the cost of power, a BERETTA Tomcat. It is much smaller than my S&W 36, 38 or TAURUS. Of course, it is a .32ACP.

Given my choice, I would prefer the BERETTA, WALTHER or even the SPRINGFIELD ARMORY XD Sub Compact.
I did not like the way the GLOCK 26 shot when I tried it. The XD Sub Compact felt better. When I added the PEARSE Grip Extension, I knew I had found what I was looking for. You may want to try it. They are also very popular on the GLOCK 26 and 27.

I already have the S&W j frames, so the RUGER LCR does not seem to offer much for me at least. It looks like a nice gun, but that niche has already been filled for me.

STINGER, the 110 grain loads were most definitely not .38 Specials. They are at least 100 to 200 feet per second faster. When SUPER VEL brought out this weight of bullets, they were running in the 1450 feet per second range, but there was a problem with the ammo for all the makers. They dropped velocity down to the 1300 fps range and I think only CORBON loads a really hot 110 grainer. The CORBON advertises for 1500 fps.

Oh, the CORBON +P .38 Special is only hitting 1050 fps when fired in a snubnose (read 1.875 inch barrel). The WINCHESTER +P+ 110 grainer reaches 1100 to 1150 fps, depending on barrel length.

The micro .45ACP are the wrong direction for me. I want a lot less recoil.

Jim

 

[golden]

SIXGUNS,

We were issued S&W model 13's. A few fractured the forcing cones with the 125 grain load. So those of us with model 13's (the vast majority of the agency) had to carry the 110 grain ammo. I had a private purchase L frame S&W model 681, so I could carry the 125 grain ammo.
I came to prefer the 110 grain because the lighter bullet was more controllable, had less flash (you could see a foot long flash at 11:00 am on an August morning when I fired this ammo), noise and muzzle blast.

We eventually gave the model 13's to another agency when we standardized on the BERETTA 96D Brigadier.
I heard we got the model 13's when the FBI refused to accept these guns after ordering them. Probably because they were unsuccessfully switching to the 10m.m. round and the S&W 1076 that fired it.

Jim

 

[WardenWolf]

For me, it's not the number of shots that's the dealbreaker for me. My carry piece only holds 7 rounds. It's the slow double action trigger and the wobble this can cause in your aim if you're trying to fire multiple shots rapidly. I can fire a semi much more quickly and accurately. It's because of this, not because of round count, that I feel undergunned with a revolver.

 

[stinger 327]

SIXGUNS,

We were issued S&W model 13's. A few fractured the forcing cones with the 125 grain load. So those of us with model 13's (the vast majority of the agency) had to carry the 110 grain ammo. I had a private purchase L frame S&W model 681, so I could carry the 125 grain ammo.
I came to prefer the 110 grain because the lighter bullet was more controllable, had less flash (you could see a foot long flash at 11:00 am on an August morning when I fired this ammo), noise and muzzle blast.

We eventually gave the model 13's to another agency when we standardized on the BERETTA 96D Brigadier.
I heard we got the model 13's when the FBI refused to accept these guns after ordering them. Probably because they were unsuccessfully switching to the 10m.m. round and the S&W 1076 that fired it.

Jim

I can remember back in 1982 or so the S & W Mod. 27 was issued with 158 grain JHP bullets.
This is a heavy big gun but recoil is fine.

 

[stinger 327]

SIXGUNS,

We were issued S&W model 13's. A few fractured the forcing cones with the 125 grain load. So those of us with model 13's (the vast majority of the agency) had to carry the 110 grain ammo. I had a private purchase L frame S&W model 681, so I could carry the 125 grain ammo.
I came to prefer the 110 grain because the lighter bullet was more controllable, had less flash (you could see a foot long flash at 11:00 am on an August morning when I fired this ammo), noise and muzzle blast.

We eventually gave the model 13's to another agency when we standardized on the BERETTA 96D Brigadier.
I heard we got the model 13's when the FBI refused to accept these guns after ordering them. Probably because they were unsuccessfully switching to the 10m.m. round and the S&W 1076 that fired it.

Jim

Lighter bullets = less recoil but higher velocity
Heavier bullets more recoil and more penetration?

 

[stinger 327]

STINGER,

I agree with you on the lighter and sometimes carry an even more compact weapon at the cost of power, a BERETTA Tomcat. It is much smaller than my S&W 36, 38 or TAURUS. Of course, it is a .32ACP.

Given my choice, I would prefer the BERETTA, WALTHER or even the SPRINGFIELD ARMORY XD Sub Compact.
I did not like the way the GLOCK 26 shot when I tried it. The XD Sub Compact felt better. When I added the PEARSE Grip Extension, I knew I had found what I was looking for. You may want to try it. They are also very popular on the GLOCK 26 and 27.

I already have the S&W j frames, so the RUGER LCR does not seem to offer much for me at least. It looks like a nice gun, but that niche has already been filled for me.

STINGER, the 110 grain loads were most definitely not .38 Specials. They are at least 100 to 200 feet per second faster. When SUPER VEL brought out this weight of bullets, they were running in the 1450 feet per second range, but there was a problem with the ammo for all the makers. They dropped velocity down to the 1300 fps range and I think only CORBON loads a really hot 110 grainer. The CORBON advertises for 1500 fps.

Oh, the CORBON +P .38 Special is only hitting 1050 fps when fired in a snubnose (read 1.875 inch barrel). The WINCHESTER +P+ 110 grainer reaches 1100 to 1150 fps, depending on barrel length.

The micro .45ACP are the wrong direction for me. I want a lot less recoil.

Jim

Super Vel that's an old company/bullet. Is it still around? These days Corbon seems to be the hot loads and maybe Buffalo Bore even more. Both of these companies are close in velocity on their bullets.

 

[stinger 327]

On those one at a time:

RECOIL:
Since I prefer the 110 grain jhp loads over the 125 grain jhp rounds in my .357 magnum, power is the same for both types, but the pistols are lighter and carry much more ammo.
As the semi-automatic pistols are normally powered by the recoil of the round being fired, some of the recoil is absorbed by the ejecting and reloading the chamber process of the pistol. When using ammo of the same ballistics, the pistol will have less recoil than the revolver.
Recoil absorbing, rubber grips on a revolver can help a lot, but my own experience in shooting is that the revolvers kicks more.

I am issued a .40 S&W, but prefer 9m.m. I think that power is sufficient, especially with +P and +P+ ammo.
+P+ is not a marketing gimmick. It is not a standardized pressure as +P is, but the bullet weight and velocity are standardized and the street performance is proven. My agency allowed private purchase of duty weapons in 9m.m. as long as we used the issue ammo which was +P+. I never heard of a failure to stop with it and we shot a lot of people with it.

We only went to the .40 S&W after the 155 grain jhp became available. In service use, it has proven as effective as the .357 magnum 125 grain jhp.

I know from my own experience using it, that the BERETTA 96D and H&K P-2000 are easier to shoot that my S&W 681 using the 125 grain jhp. My agency has found the .40 S&W just as effective on the street.

COMPACTNESS:
I do not find a BERETTA 92D more compact than a S&W 681, just lighter.
I do find the BERETTA 92D Compact, even lighter and easier to conceal due to the flat shape.
I find my GLOCK 19 and WALTHER P-99 much lighter and even easier to conceal.
Concerning my SPRINGFIELD ARMORY XD Sub Compact, it is absolutely more compact with 13 rounds instead of 6.
A S&W j frame with a 3 inch barrel is very compact and light. It also has only 5 rounds, is slow to reload and not much easier to conceal than my XD.

TRIGGER:
Yes, the choice of gun makes a big difference, but you have more choices with a pistol. I prefer double action only guns in both pistols and revolvers. I had the trigger on my 581 and 681 tuned and made double action only.
My agency then adopted the BERETTA 96D Brigadier and I was shocked at how nice the trigger was. Since then, I have shot BERETTA double action only models more than any other pistol. BERETTA removed the single action springs and this smoothed and lightened the double action trigger to the point it feels as good as my revolvers.
If you want a different trigger, like a short, light one, you can go GLOCK, XD or 1911 style single action. There is nothing comparable with a revolver that I would consider for self defense or police use. Single action revolvers have no place in police use.
Also, you can go with a double action/single action trigger like the SIG pistols.
It is the shooter's choice.

SIGHTS:
The BERETTA Brigadier had large, easy to see sights with night sights. VERY FEW, IF ANY REVOLVERS come from the factory with these very useful features. Sure you can add them, but I have bought my guns with them already installed. If you don't think they are useful, fine, but my first night qualification with night sights convinced me. BIG ADVANTAGE.
Also, while not a sight, a rail that you can attached a light or laser too is a huge advantage. Night quals with a flashlight in hand proved that to me as well. My house gun carries a light and will never be without it.

RELOAD:
No way can revolvers compete. Yes, Jerry MICULEK can do it and he is amazing, but few others can. Show any police department which still issues a revolver with officers who can reload as fast as a department using pistols.

I can reload my pistol in about 1/3 the time I can reload a revolver with less chance of a blown reload and I have to reload far fewer times.
I have seen many officers reload a pistol quicker and none reload slower.

I have based my opinions on my experience and observations in using both types of handguns for defense and law enforcement.

I have nothing against a good revolver, I still own my 681 and 686 as well as others, but I would feel better armed with a pistol.

Jim

In 9mm there is that +P+ load 9LBPE? which is suppose to be good along with the Federal HST.
On the .40 cal the recoil on a G-23 is something else. It actually has more recoil than the .357 revolver but that could be because it's a Glock which is lighter

 

[pezo]

"Does high capacity promote poor marksmanship?". No kidding I think it does in the case of newbies. My own experience. I had a friend who had gone to the range with his other friend who had just bought a sig saur .9mm. Apparently when my friend would shoot it at the target he would rapid fire it and when he would get say 2 or 3 shots on the paper he would call it good. That was like just barely on paper and up teen. When I took this friend to shoot my gp100 forget it. Spray and pray no hits, then blamed poor accuracy on not enough shots. Even after explaining the operation of a double action revolver he would insist on cocking the hammer for shot one (like racking a slide for an auto)then rapid fire the remaining 5. When he would "eject" the empties he would point barrel down and pry them out with his finger nails. He couldn't grasp the function of the weapon.

 

[stinger 327]

"Does high capacity promote poor marksmanship?". No kidding I think it does in the case of newbies. My own experience. I had a friend who had gone to the range with his other friend who had just bought a sig saur .9mm. Apparently when my friend would shoot it at the target he would rapid fire it and when he would get say 2 or 3 shots on the paper he would call it good. That was like just barely on paper and up teen. When I took this friend to shoot my gp100 forget it. Spray and prey no hits, then blamed poor accuracy on not enough shots. Even after explaining the operation of a double action revolver he would insist on cocking the hammer for shot one (like racking a slide for an auto). When he would "eject" the empties he would point barrel down and pry them out with his finger nails. He couldn't grasp the function of the weapon.

Clearly it's the person behind using the gun not the gun itself.

 

[Old Fuff]

Clearly it's the person behind using the gun not the gun itself.

Absolutely! But after reviewing a number of cases over the past and earlier decades, it becomes clear that under the stress of a shooting it is not unusual for someone with a hi-cap pistol to push their panic button and dump a whole magazine as fast as they can pull the trigger. What follows is a lot of shots fired with relatively few hits.

One might point out that the solution is better training, but in the real world the required amount is unlikely to happen.

In and of itself, revolvers may not be the answer, but in my experience those that carry them are less likely to depend on the volumn of available shots, and more likely to depend on making "meaningful hits," because they don't have any other option.