Dutchman01
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I thought he was great in those movies. In regards to hollywood, most of them are too busy donating money to the democratic party. It's little wonder obama has more money than god this year.
England Called: They Want Their Guns Back!
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I thought he was great in those movies. In regards to hollywood, most of them are too busy donating money to the democratic party. It's little wonder obama has more money than god this year.
throdgrain
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OK stop. For my American fellow shooters, let me just spell a few things out. Hopefully some of you may read it, who knows 
1. This video clip is at least FOUR YEARS OLD
2. The demonstration, whilst also encompassing gun laws as a side issue, was about the banning of FOX HUNTING and other HUNTING WITH DOGS.
3.Our country has NEVER IN MY LIFETIME had a law allowing open carry of pistols, or armed defence without extreme cirmcumstances.
4. These gun laws were inflicted upon us at least FOUR YEARS BEFORE
5. DONT - DO NOT - sit back all smug and say "oh it will never happen here".
6. DONT - DO NOT - go on about the American war of independance as if it was in any way relevant to the conversation. It isnt.
7. Defend your rights, or you WILL loose them, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but one day.
God bless you
1. This video clip is at least FOUR YEARS OLD
2. The demonstration, whilst also encompassing gun laws as a side issue, was about the banning of FOX HUNTING and other HUNTING WITH DOGS.
3.Our country has NEVER IN MY LIFETIME had a law allowing open carry of pistols, or armed defence without extreme cirmcumstances.
4. These gun laws were inflicted upon us at least FOUR YEARS BEFORE
5. DONT - DO NOT - sit back all smug and say "oh it will never happen here".
6. DONT - DO NOT - go on about the American war of independance as if it was in any way relevant to the conversation. It isnt.
7. Defend your rights, or you WILL loose them, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but one day.
God bless you
It could happen here if people let it. To be quite honest I was amazed most Australians went down without a fight, I expected more resistance in that nation of many rural individuals, bushmen and ranchers. A nation that has villians that are also viewed as heros like Ned Kelly.
It really was surprising what thier government could get done. They had everyone registered and knew exactly what guns people had to turn in during the mandatory "buyback". Anyone that did not could be visited individualy with an armed team.
One of the best examples of registration.
Yet America does give a lot of hope. In the UK and Australia, and even Finland now a maniac does something and the governments quickly impose tons of extremely restrictive laws while everyone is in an emotional state and will support it.
They tried the same thing here after the VA Tech shooting and it practicly backfired, with more places allowing people to be armed to defend against such maniacs than even before.
The methods though that place the rights of Americans in danger are still being put in place and Americans must remain vigilant. Registration (some forms without the owners even being aware), laws that require notification of lost stolen or otherwise disposed of guns (which means if they show up and want them, saying you lost it on your boating trip last week is a crime in itself because you didn't report it) and increasingly growing lists of prohibiting offenses that bar someone from ownership. Increasing "reasonable restrictions" and "common sense gun controls" in some areas.
The means to disarm people are being put into place. But the spirit of Americans is still very strong.
If a maniac kills a bunch of people unopposed we support more gun rights, while the rest of the world removes them. Our nation is at a crossroads, but freedom is still prevailing more often than not.
It really was surprising what thier government could get done. They had everyone registered and knew exactly what guns people had to turn in during the mandatory "buyback". Anyone that did not could be visited individualy with an armed team.
One of the best examples of registration.
Yet America does give a lot of hope. In the UK and Australia, and even Finland now a maniac does something and the governments quickly impose tons of extremely restrictive laws while everyone is in an emotional state and will support it.
They tried the same thing here after the VA Tech shooting and it practicly backfired, with more places allowing people to be armed to defend against such maniacs than even before.
The methods though that place the rights of Americans in danger are still being put in place and Americans must remain vigilant. Registration (some forms without the owners even being aware), laws that require notification of lost stolen or otherwise disposed of guns (which means if they show up and want them, saying you lost it on your boating trip last week is a crime in itself because you didn't report it) and increasingly growing lists of prohibiting offenses that bar someone from ownership. Increasing "reasonable restrictions" and "common sense gun controls" in some areas.
The means to disarm people are being put into place. But the spirit of Americans is still very strong.
If a maniac kills a bunch of people unopposed we support more gun rights, while the rest of the world removes them. Our nation is at a crossroads, but freedom is still prevailing more often than not.
wacki
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interesting quote from that video:
Pericles--"Freedom is only for those who have the guts to defend it".
THR and the TFL have both shut down their political forums. Maybe that quote should say "Freedom is only for those who have the stomach to defend it".
I've been going to gun shows to educate people about Obama. I have yet to run into a gun dealer that knew about the .30-30 ban. There is something seriously wrong with that. I can't help but think that the same behavior that led to THR's and TFL's complete shutdown of political discussion (as opposed to heavy moderation) have something to do with that. The liberals have one huge advantage on us, they like to work in groups. We think for ourselves and die one by one....
If gun owners are as ignorant about Obama as my experience at gun shows have shown me, then I can't help but think we deserve the coming president Obama and the erosion of our rights that almost surely follow.
Pericles--"Freedom is only for those who have the guts to defend it".
THR and the TFL have both shut down their political forums. Maybe that quote should say "Freedom is only for those who have the stomach to defend it".
I've been going to gun shows to educate people about Obama. I have yet to run into a gun dealer that knew about the .30-30 ban. There is something seriously wrong with that. I can't help but think that the same behavior that led to THR's and TFL's complete shutdown of political discussion (as opposed to heavy moderation) have something to do with that. The liberals have one huge advantage on us, they like to work in groups. We think for ourselves and die one by one....
If gun owners are as ignorant about Obama as my experience at gun shows have shown me, then I can't help but think we deserve the coming president Obama and the erosion of our rights that almost surely follow.
feedthehogs
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Well I see it as the same as feeding starving children around the world while all the time there are plenty of starving kids right here in America to help first.
We have plenty of folks that need reachin and teachin right here in the US of A on gun rights.
Its easy to leave a ship thats sinking, its much harder to stay aboard and try and fix the leak and save the ship.
What we don't need here are more quitters. We already have enough.
ArfinGreebly
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Well, Then . . .
I guess, if the majority of commoners whose rights and liberties have been trampled wish to stay and fight, perhaps they could use some support.
Yes, I understand that they're handicapped by a government made up of ninnies.
We seem to have that same problem here.
We both need to win.
I therefore suggest it is well for us to work together, at the very least providing what moral support we can.
Right now we seem to be having better "luck" than they are. Our political models are not congruent, but there are enough common bits that some of our win can be translated to some win on their side.
I want them to win big time.
I want to look forward to the day when the biggest fashion difference between the English and Americans is what kind of holsters we choose to wear to a formal dinner.
I guess, if the majority of commoners whose rights and liberties have been trampled wish to stay and fight, perhaps they could use some support.
Yes, I understand that they're handicapped by a government made up of ninnies.
We seem to have that same problem here.
We both need to win.
I therefore suggest it is well for us to work together, at the very least providing what moral support we can.
Right now we seem to be having better "luck" than they are. Our political models are not congruent, but there are enough common bits that some of our win can be translated to some win on their side.
I want them to win big time.
I want to look forward to the day when the biggest fashion difference between the English and Americans is what kind of holsters we choose to wear to a formal dinner.
Prince Yamato
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I honestly don't think the fight will be as hard as people think. The key is, we all have to be loud about it. VERY LOUD. Brits, start talking about how Americans can carry weapons. Familiarize yourself with American gun laws (ie, places like Texas). Talk about CCW in the US and how the crime isn't what the BBC makes it out to be. Talk about Heller passing in our Supreme Court. Americans, we need to be even LOUDER about laws over here. Let's quit giving into all the crap. And finally, Canadians, you're a buffer between England and the US, so you guys push too.
No, they'll have fancier names for CCW. They'll call it "Authorisation to Carry" and somehow, it'll seem all that much cooler that they can stroll through Trafalgar Square or the British Museum with a Glock on their hip.
I think alot of stuff close to Sharia law is creeping into America now. I think the immigration issues that plague England are starting to reflect here, too. I think Throdgrains warnings are timely and bear more relevance now more than ever.
This election year is a showcase of stuff people said would never happen in America.
This election year is a showcase of stuff people said would never happen in America.
ArfinGreebly
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Thread Drift
Blofeld, let's not drift the thread off into politics.
I don't want to have to start deleting posts.
Blofeld, let's not drift the thread off into politics.
I don't want to have to start deleting posts.
Thank You for posting this clip. It is very good and should serve as a wake up call for America. The same type of policies that led to the disarming of the Brits are attempting to gain a foothold in our Republic. Heller notwithstanding.
JImbothefiveth
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A ban introduced by Ted Kennedy and supported by Obama. It would ban 30-30 by name, and also ban anything else that could pierce a level II vest. Included are 1 oz 12 gauge slugs, and probably the .17 HMR. Remember this on election day!
Does that mean .22 rimfire? Or could you get a semi-auto .223?
30-30
Remember the LA Riots? saw lots of rifle toting shop keepers (don't think one was a native born American) their shops were just fine!
Ice storm in Canada 6 or 7 years ago, In Quebec, people stealing generators? farmers with rifles, they kept their generators!
Remember the LA Riots? saw lots of rifle toting shop keepers (don't think one was a native born American) their shops were just fine!
Ice storm in Canada 6 or 7 years ago, In Quebec, people stealing generators? farmers with rifles, they kept their generators!
wacki
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Blofeld said:
Read this:
http://obamagun.blogspot.com/2008/08/ban-rifle-ammunition-commonly-used-for.html
For those who have questions, feel free to comment on my blog. I should respond within 24 hours if its a weekday. ArfinGreebly, I hope this tactic will satisfy the wish to keep politics out of this forum.
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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Although this is an old video, it portrays for us the absolute FAILURE of argument to the public which results from arguing "we want our guns for hunting/sport".
We must argue "because it's our right / 2nd amendment / protection against tyranny /militia" because in the long run, the hunting/sporting argument never works, because it can't trump public policy that believes that banning guns outweighs the "rights" of hunters.
The 2nd amendment has ZERO to do with hunting and EVERYTHING to do with overthrowing the government if tyrants or foreign invaders take control of it.
We must argue "because it's our right / 2nd amendment / protection against tyranny /militia" because in the long run, the hunting/sporting argument never works, because it can't trump public policy that believes that banning guns outweighs the "rights" of hunters.
The 2nd amendment has ZERO to do with hunting and EVERYTHING to do with overthrowing the government if tyrants or foreign invaders take control of it.
scrat
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very old i think i even posted this once and i got locked because there were too many
Irwin
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I wish it was that simple, but alot of people are pig ignorant to facts and will compleatly turn off from the conversation because they have made there mind up about guns. I wouldnt say britains a lost hope but it would require a complete change in attitude and b.s pc nonsence, and a practical aproach to firearms. But that is a long way off from now cause in a country that has a growing trend of people abusing our soldiers, sailors and airmen, I can hardly see firearms become mainstream in socioty. Irwin
From what I have read it seems that there are a large number of people in the UK that totally buy into the idea that it’s the weapon that causes the violence not the person.
Guns aside, I have read a number of articles where people freak out about knives.....just regular old pocket knives (like the post above about the Swiss army knife. Jeez, a brick is a better weapon ).
I'm not sure what the law is about pocket knives (perhaps a native could tell us) but it’s obvious that many in the UK see them as evil things that only evil people would want to have. How does that happen? Histeria?
Good thing I don't live there, how would I open my snacks?
Guns aside, I have read a number of articles where people freak out about knives.....just regular old pocket knives (like the post above about the Swiss army knife. Jeez, a brick is a better weapon ).
I'm not sure what the law is about pocket knives (perhaps a native could tell us) but it’s obvious that many in the UK see them as evil things that only evil people would want to have. How does that happen? Histeria?
Good thing I don't live there, how would I open my snacks?
rklessdriver
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Diggers
Thinking like this happens by being subjected to YEARS and YEARS of propoganda that is a concerted effort by one group of people that share a specific ideolgoy and do everything in their power to promote that agenda.
Everywhere you turn it's on the news "2 shot dead", "3 people slashed today" ect ect.
Politicans then capatilize on the oportunity, by getting on the TV promoting a new legsliation to "PROTECT" people or even better yet "PREVENT" this type of violent crime.
Outreach political groups buy up even more newpaper space, billboards and TV time to make cute little ads about how many sucides are committed by guns or knives or how many school children are killed by the same....
For Socialisim to really work "the people" need to be and feel helpless. This kind of activity goes a long way to providing that feeling, espc when you have to see it everyday for a long time.
It's really quite easy to accomplish once the building blocks are in place. As we in the USA are seeing via this election.
Will
Thinking like this happens by being subjected to YEARS and YEARS of propoganda that is a concerted effort by one group of people that share a specific ideolgoy and do everything in their power to promote that agenda.
Everywhere you turn it's on the news "2 shot dead", "3 people slashed today" ect ect.
Politicans then capatilize on the oportunity, by getting on the TV promoting a new legsliation to "PROTECT" people or even better yet "PREVENT" this type of violent crime.
Outreach political groups buy up even more newpaper space, billboards and TV time to make cute little ads about how many sucides are committed by guns or knives or how many school children are killed by the same....
For Socialisim to really work "the people" need to be and feel helpless. This kind of activity goes a long way to providing that feeling, espc when you have to see it everyday for a long time.
It's really quite easy to accomplish once the building blocks are in place. As we in the USA are seeing via this election.
Will
Calibre44
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You can legally carry a pocket knife with a folding blade (not a lock knife) with a blade not exceeding 3 inches. If the Police stop you you’ll need a reason for carrying it. Most reasons are acceptable but not ‘self-defence’ - say that and you’ll spent the night in the cells! This is of course, one of the main differences between our countries: you can take proactive steps to defend yourself - we have to make do with what ever comes to hand if we are attacked ... boils my pi$$ but there you are.
The problem with knife crime over here is actually there isn’t a huge problem. The media hypes it all up. The majority of crimes committed with a knife occur in three main cities and only certain parts of those cities. The culprits are usually from the same age group and background. If you are unlucky enough to live in these places then you will see a lot of crime and it will distort your view of reality.
I am 49 years old and have lived here all my life. I have never seen a knife wielded in anger or in a threatening manner and have never seen a gun other than at the range, in a house or at a sporting event.
Believe it or not but I don’t fear for my life when I walk out of my door and go about my business. Equally I don’t go in to areas of high crime late at night with a sign on my head saying ‘mug me!’ – I wouldn’t do this even if I did have the RKBA.
We don’t cower in our houses quivering with fear. This is how it is for the majority of us Britons.
Calibre44
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Rklessdriver – nice summary and pints well made.
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