Europe’s Leading Rabbi: Jews Must Begin Carrying Guns

[oneounceload]

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/europes-leading-rabbi-jews-must-begin-carrying-guns/

One of Europe’s most prominent Jewish organizations is petitioning the European Union to pass new legislation that would permit Jewish community members to carry guns “for the essential protection of their communities,” according to a letter obtained by the Washington Free Beacon.

The European Jewish Association (EJA), which represents Jewish communities across Europe, says that gun license laws must be altered following a string of deadly attacks on Jews in France and other European countries, where anti-Semitism has been growing at an alarming rate.

Maybe they should petition to allow ALL Europeans to carry guns.......the extremists seem to not care who they kill since everyone not a muslim is an "infidel" in their eyes.

Will be interesting to see how this pans out

 

[throdgrain]

Agree with you 100% , but I bet it will never happen

 

[just for fun]

At one time I would have laughed at the thought of carrying a firearm. Right or wrong, the older I get the more I see myself as a "easy target". I've made it to 69 this past fall and plan on at least a few more. I no longer leave the house without "company". My intent is to harm no one, with that said, I will not allow anyone to harm me!

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Maybe they should petition to allow ALL Europeans to carry guns.......the extremists seem to not care who they kill since everyone not a muslim is an "infidel" in their eyes.

This strikes me like Diane Feinstein's concealed carry permit -- she NEEDS one, but the rest of us can't be trusted.

 

[Mitlov]

This strikes me like Diane Feinstein's concealed carry permit -- she NEEDS one, but the rest of us can't be trusted.

Nothing in the letter suggests that they would not also be supportive of other law-abiding citizens in other communities also being allowed to carry. There's a big difference between saying "we should get this and nobody should" and saying "at minimum, we should get this."

If I say "women who have been the victims of domestic violence have a need for firearms and should be allowed to carry," that doesn't mean that I think nobody else should. I'm just singling out one situations where I think firearms rights are important and stressing the importance in that situation.

 

[cambeul41]

At one time I would have laughed at the thought of carrying a firearm. Right or wrong, the older I get the more I see myself as a "easy target". I've made it to 69 this past fall and plan on at least a few more. I no longer leave the house without "company". My intent is to harm no one, with that said, I will not allow anyone to harm me!

[Written previously to amuse myself]

If it would really make your day for me to confess that I carry to compensate for something, The something is this: I am too old and too gimpy to either fight or run as I once could, but I still have my pride and independence, and I am too proud and independent too give up my freedom to go where I will, to hide behind walls, and to go out only, as gun-grabbers constantly advise, in flocks of timorous sheeple — and then only to non-existent “safe places”.​

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Nothing in the letter suggests that they would not also be supportive of other law-abiding citizens in other communities also being allowed to carry.

Then let him say it. Let him say, "We should push for laws that allow ALL law-abiding citizens to carry arms."

 

[Potatohead]

Lock and load..bout time.

 

[Ryanxia]

Then let him say it. Let him say, "We should push for laws that allow ALL law-abiding citizens to carry arms."

I think they're trying to get an angle, something with a devastating history that may be enough to break through to the law makers. After that, one would think it would be at least a little easier to get the same Rights for the rest of the citizenry.

 

[Darkhorse]

Finally!

If I were a member of a persecuted minority, I would have a gun in each hand.

 

[bikerdoc]

Im reminded of the words, Never again.

 

[wojownik]

^^ +1 There is a context to the Rabbi's editorial - both historical and contemporary. The Rabbi is speaking as part of a historically persecuted community, one that (barely) survived a European genocide 70 years ago, and one that miscreants from outside Europe again seek to export globally. From this community's perspective, the threat is greater than that faced by "everybody". The threat is existential.

Having said that, the Rabbi cannot stand on a Second Amendment or even an "individual rights" argument in Europe. The Rabbi's argument is loosely framed in terms of collective rights, albeit narrowed to one specific collective, and not that of Europeans generally. Also, the concept of minority rights is a special one within the EU Treaty (Article 2) - perhaps by couching his argument in terms of minority rights (as opposed to a general human right), the Rabbi may also feel that he can get better traction.

 

[19-3Ben]

^^^
Makes sense. It's always easier to argue that an "at risk" community should have expanded rights to self defense. It allows for authorities to make an exception to the rule, rather than changing their entire (well entrenched) position on a subject.

 

[C0untZer0]

There are 2 aspect to this in my opinion. One aspect simply addresses the RTKBA which is an inalienable human right synonymous with the right to self defense which is inextricable from the right to simply exist.

The other aspect to this basically advises Jews to carry firearms.

 

[wojownik]

Regarding the idea of RKBA in Europe - and self defense at large - an interesting read comes from the Cato Institute - dated (10 years ago) but still relevant. http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/policy-report/2004/3/cpr-26n2-1.pdf

 

[Bezoar]

this will never happen. in the polyglot liberal political system, there is NOT supposed to be anydifference between people except income level.

And they have spent the last 50 years making it HARD to get a gun period. Not seeing HOW it would be changed for one religious group.

 

[hso]

Vern,

It is no real surprise that he's speaking for his organization and not presuming to speak for others. I see no big deal in that and more than most his group has the greatest history of being murdered for being of an ethnic/religious group so he can speak with about the greatest gravitas on this.

 

[wally]

You'd think after Hitler the Jew's would already be wise to the fact that the government protects its interests (those of the people running the government) not yours. Fact is, most of my Jewish friends are anti-gun and vote Democrat for reasons I'll never fathom.

I also don't fathom how Europeans seeing the rise and fall of Hitler would think that disarming and trusting the government for protection was a good thing. I guess they never had a self-defense tradition after centuries of wars and conquests, but with the invention of carpet bombing and terrorism there are no more "civilians" who can stay our of the fight and its consequences.

 

[GAMEOVER44]

I know a couple and (KNOW FOR SURE) there are a lot of conservative Jews out there. Israels leader himself kinda comes off conservative to me but I dont follow their politics too much only bigger issues focusing around it (it being the country of Israel itself) usually.

Alot of jewish people work in the media and the media in America is mostly left but I think I know this Jew named Mark Levin whos a staunch conservative. He made a book titled Liberty and Tyranny a conservative manifesto which is really good btw. Never judge a man based on a few others.

 

[19-3Ben]

Guys, this is a really greta thread full of interesting insights, but if it falls down the rabbit hole of "Jews tend to be liberal, and I don't know why" it's gonna end up getting locked.

 

[Elkins45]

Bottom line is this: you can't carry what you don't have.

 

[jeff-10]

this will never happen

"Never" and Europe should never be used together regarding war or politics. They can go from one end of the spectrum to other in a mindbogglingly small amount of time.

I agree with cambeul41. The Rabbi needs to speak for his people and not Europe and he is definitely going about it the right way. We aren't Europeans and they aren't us. Regardless of what the EU leaders may want they do not view themselves as having much in common with their neighbors.

 

[fanchisimo]

“We hereby ask that gun licensing laws are reviewed with immediate effect to allow designated people in the Jewish communities

“Let there be no doubt, we are asking that all weapons will be issued for self-protection only, and to designated personnel that will undergo thorough investigation and training by local authorities,” he wrote.

He's not advocating all Jews have the ability to get firearms, he's simply saying certain individuals inside the Jewish community, almost like an armed neighborhood watch. While this seems like a small want, it is hopefully the first step in Europeans regaining some ability for self defense. I doubt it though.

 

[Master Blaster]

The EU will never allow it. The Jews can be protected by the government and can rent state approved protection or have it assigned to them by the Nanny state. Crimminals and terrorist still have no problem obtaining full auto AKs despite stringent gun control.
The Jewish community will not be willing to break the law and get their own machine guns off the black market. These European countries will no allow individuals to excersize their God Given right to self defense, or even collective self defense.

 

[Thermactor]

There's a lot of stuff I can say about it but in a word - nonsense.