Why Are American Jews So Anti-Gun?

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I'm reform (don't hate me! ), and it seems like the complete opposite in my temple as well as other local reform and conservative temples.

I've never really gotten to know any Orthodox jews because I've always been told that I would not be welcome amongst them. So, due to this, I never knew what their opinion on the subject is.

Do you find that this holds true elsewhere, or is it possibly a regional thing?

LOL, nope I won't hate you. Actually, I find it usually is the other way around. You'd actually be surprised how welcoming Orthodox Jews usually are.

I'm not surprised your experiences in your Reform temple are different. My experiences with liberal religion (I was raised as a Unitarian with a non-religious Unitarian-Jewish mother, I attended a Quaker high school, I have had many Reform and Conservative Jewish friends and family) is that (surprise surprise) it tends to attract liberals. Religious and secular values strongly inform each other and can't usually be separated. Thus, conservatives seem more likely to be attracted to more conservative religions or to no religion at all. People who are attracted to the value systems of the more liberal religions tend to be liberal. If you are born into them they tend to spread liberal values (I remember in both Unitarian churches and Reform synagogues I've attended in the past where liberal political action and religion were closely intertwined and confused by many as one and the same).

In fact, this is probably where the idea that most American Jews are liberal and anti-gun comes from. Until recently most American Jews were members of the Reform or Conservative movements. Today, while Reform and Conservative are the largest movements, I think the majority are unaffiliated. Orthodox Judaism is on the rise with large birth rates, low drop out rates, large numbers of baal teshuva (returnees to the faith) and fairly large numbers of converts. Many of the unaffiliated Jews and most Orthodox Jews are slowly starting to turn to more conservative politics. Even some Conservative Jews (though few Reform) seem to be making the change and are at least no longer knee jerk lefty Democrats. My prediction is that within a generation at most our politics will be more balanced and reflect those of the middle class population as a whole.
 
Do you find that this holds true elsewhere, or is it possibly a regional thing?

Oh, I forgot to respond to this part.

I think you will find Orthodox Jews and more conservative non-Orthodox Jews are OK with guns in most of the country. However, in NY even the Republicans are relatively liberal and most people are VERY conditioned that guns are bad. I'd suspect that NY Orthodox Jews are less pro-guns than Orthodox Jews elsewhere, but probably not by that much (Orthodox Jews tend to be VERY conservative). I've dated a few women in NY and only one had a real problem with my being a gun owner (about the same number as Orthodox women from elsewhere who have had trouble with it).
 
I'm very Jewish. An NRA member in good standing. Most of my shooting buddies are Jewish. I'll speak for myself here. I love my life and my family. I want to return home the way I left it in the morning. I want to make it through the night without any unauthorized visitors. Jews & Guns...count me in.
 
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It is always amusing when these threads on Jews being anti-gun come up that so many bona fide MOT's post at THR.

In the original article, Eric King is right. Lingering Galut mentality is a big factor in anti-gun attitudes. The other big factor is the surrounding community where Jews live, which tends to either reinforce the old world attitudes or break them down.

Sure, religious outlook is also a factor. But my experience has been that New York Orthodox are still more likely to be anti-gun than Arizona Reform.
 
I still don't understand where "galut mentality" plays into it... there are a number of cases where Jews in Europe had to defend themselves against pogroms and other attacks.

I think that one of the posters hit it very close. It is urbanization that causes this mindset.... a "ghetto mentality" rather than a "galut mentality"....
 
a "ghetto mentality" rather than a "galut mentality"....

:confused:

Galut mentality and ghetto mentality are synonyms.

All people, Jews or gentiles, who dare not defend themselves when they know they are in the right, who submit to punishment not because of what they have done but because of who they are, are already dead by their own decision; and whether or not they survive physically depends on chance. If circumstances are not favorable, they end up in gas chambers."
— Bruno Bettelheim, "Freud's Vienna and Other Essays"
 
Thus, the phrase "to live in galut" means to be in a state of diaspora from Israel. It can also refer to a state of physical or especially spiritual alienation, in particular alienation from the Jewish faith.

What does this have to do with living in a compound and held hostage or in a ghetto as it was called in days of old?

The american jewish person is not one to put into a box, just like all of us we are individuals and as a rule think for ourselves, especially when in a secret voting booth.

;)
 
Harley Quinn said:
Thus, the phrase "to live in galut" means to be in a state of diaspora from Israel. It can also refer to a state of physical or especially spiritual alienation, in particular alienation from the Jewish faith.

Living in Galut and Galut mentality are not the same thing.

Those who stood up for themselves against progroms and attacks were not suffering from Galut mentality, even if they were living outside Israel.

Likewise, living in Israel doesn't guarantee an end to Galut mentality.
 
ieszu wrote:
There was a post a while back (it got locked, but only because it got way off-topic) where I addressed why Jews were so anti-gun, addressing secular Jews vs. Orthodox Jews....

To place a political stereotype on a religion is just wrong.... there are Catholics on both sides of the abortion issue, and that is a heck of a lot more clear-cut religion wise.

Yes, it is a lot more clear cut, religion-wise. You have people who believe and try to adhere to all the teachings of the Catholic Church (known as Catholics), and those who do not believe or try to adhere to the teachings of the Catholic Church. These latter are known as "non-Catholics." If you support abortion, you're not Catholic.

Catholicism isn't something passed on by genetics. It's a conscious choice.

-Sans Authoritas
 
Catholicism isn't something passed on by genetics. It's a conscious choice.

Judaism doesn't have that as an option. A Rabbi (Orthodox/Chareidi) refered to Judaism as similar to the mafia... You can be born into a family, or you can join, but the only way out is death. :)
 
In the topic of Jews and firearms, here's something that happened in Connecticut, not too long ago. Seems the crime in a particular neighborhood got a little too much for the local people to bear. Then a Rabbi got beat up by a group of thugs. What were the police going to do about it?

Nothing, of course. So a few Jews blacks, and one hispanic got together to do neighborhood patrols. (A great start to a joke, I know.) Anyway, some people were armed, some were not. Yarmulkes, prayer tassels and 1911's. That's what I'm talking about.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/nyregion/19haven.html

-Sans Authoritas
 
Sans Authoritas wrote:
Catholicism isn't something passed on by genetics. It's a conscious choice.

ieszu wrote:
Judaism doesn't have that as an option. A Rabbi (Orthodox/Chareidi) refered to Judaism as similar to the mafia... You can be born into a family, or you can join, but the only way out is death.

I understand. In my reply, I was pointing out the oxymoron of "pro-choice Catholics."

-Sans Authoritas
 
Los Angeles had a similar patrol right after the Rodney King Riots in '94.... They told the police that if their homes would not be protected, they would protect themselves... and it worked.

With the influx of hispanic gangs into one of the Jewish areas there, they are starting back up the patrol.... same is happening in Baltimore and Monsey, NY.

Pittsburgh has had a quiet one for years, as does Detroit and Miami...
 
I could ask Why do Americans have such hard-on for socialism??

Lots of socialism around, just saw a movie "Hoffa" because he was for Unions and good pay and benefits for truckers, he was called a communist by none less than Bobby Kennedy:confused: Take the Catholic Church for example, pretty socialist I'd say. The thing is they want all the control, not only over your money but your mind:uhoh:

Probably the reason Americans are worried about the social aspect of a country run for social people is they would then have to give up their guns:what:
 
Zonamo, happy to see that Bettelheim quote. At least he got _something_ right.

I've mostly wanted to piss on his grave for a while, since I found out how he wrongly treated autistic kids.
 
I believe it is the loud minority of a group that gets the whole group stereotyped: witness the recurring theme of the guy at the gun show with a table of nazi relics. Same I believe is true of Jews and guns. We let the loud minority speak for all of us when we remain silent majority, no matter what group we fall in.
 
"...the vast majority of the American anti-gun crowd are Christians."

You imply something that is not true. The vast majority of anti-gunners may be Christian, however, the vast majority of Christians are not anti-gun.
 
Think about Israel

My friends, the "Jewish" angle is irrelevant. EVERYONE in Israel knows how to handle a firearm. Usually, many different types of firearms. You can't turn your head there without seeing guns in the hands of (bada__) Jews.

If you are saying that a majority of Jews in America toe the liberal line, no one would argue. But the religion itself has nothing to do with it.
 
My wife is Jewish (Reform).

While it's true that the Reform movement has traditionally been very liberal, that is changing. A number of our Jewish friends are becoming pretty outspokenly Conservative, and a fair number are buying, owning, and shooting guns.
My wife grew up in a home that had no guns. She now lives in a home that has several, and she knows how to shoot and is quite willing to defend our home should that be the case. She even enjoys going to the range.
 
If you are saying that a majority of Jews in America toe the liberal line, no one would argue. But the religion itself has nothing to do with it.
As a closing argument - that works for me.
 
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