Europe’s Leading Rabbi: Jews Must Begin Carrying Guns

[JDBoardman]

I am a Jew. I also am personally embarrassed that my people meekly allowed themselves to be systematically stripped of their citizenship, their rights, (the Nuremberg Laws) their property, and ultimately their lives while showing no effective or organized resistance. As I have been told and have read, the attitude was that the "good" Germans would not allow this to happen, so if they kept head down and didn't annoy the Nazi's, it would all be over when the German people returned to their senses... My response is BULL FECES! - to deny the evidence of one's own eyes is utter stupidity. If you are going to die anyway, resist with all your might, for you may prevail. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Look at today's Israel. - a nation of little more than eight million surrounded by a hostile mob of hundreds of millions. And why does that mob not overrun Israel? They know good and well that they will be resisted with the full might of Israel's militay, its civilians if necessary, and even if they are defeated, the "victors" will have won a pyrrhic victory, and there will be nothing left as "spoils of war". Modern Israel has fully adopted the philosophy of Masada, and will never again meekly line up for slaughter. It now looks as though European Jewery may finally be undergoing a similar epiphany, and recognizing that they alone are responsible for their own protection. Maybe the Chosen People are realizing that G_d helps those who help themselves.

 

[Snejdarek]

And we don't discuss religion here. Steer clear of that subject.

Isn't that what I just did?

Look at today's Israel. - a nation of little more than eight million surrounded by a hostile mob of hundreds of millions. And why does that mob not overrun Israel?

Well Israel would not exist without foreign military help, notwithstanding the level of determination of its people. Not without Czechoslovakia in 1948, not without US thereafter.

With the level of anti-semitism in Germany in 1930s, it was no-win situation in any case. I think there were no "good" Germans left. After all, it and Austria were the only two countries under Nazi control with no underground resistance movement.

All that having been said, I just can't believe things like these: 11 European Jewish Groups Push Back Against 'Arm-the-Jews' Rabbi. Not to mention that one of those rabbis behind this anti-gun call is from possibly the only country were Jews may conceal carry also within synagogues (considering that we don't have gun free zones in the Czech Republic). I wonder whether he preaches against Jews being armed also to his congregation, asking those who do have them to surrender their CC licenses.

 

[oneounceload]

And why does that mob not overrun Israel?

Might also be that Israel currently has a nuclear deterrent????

 

[Aragon]

I am a Jew. I also am personally embarrassed that my people meekly allowed themselves to be systematically stripped of their citizenship, their rights, (the Nuremberg Laws) their property, and ultimately their lives while showing no effective or organized resistance. As I have been told and have read, the attitude was that the "good" Germans would not allow this to happen, so if they kept head down and didn't annoy the Nazi's, it would all be over when the German people returned to their senses... My response is BULL FECES! - to deny the evidence of one's own eyes is utter stupidity. If you are going to die anyway, resist with all your might, for you may prevail. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Look at today's Israel. - a nation of little more than eight million surrounded by a hostile mob of hundreds of millions. And why does that mob not overrun Israel? They know good and well that they will be resisted with the full might of Israel's militay, its civilians if necessary, and even if they are defeated, the "victors" will have won a pyrrhic victory, and there will be nothing left as "spoils of war". Modern Israel has fully adopted the philosophy of Masada, and will never again meekly line up for slaughter. It now looks as though European Jewery may finally be undergoing a similar epiphany, and recognizing that they alone are responsible for their own protection. Maybe the Chosen People are realizing that G_d helps those who help themselves.

Yes and I suspect if Israel were not armed with devastating modern weaponry (including nukes) to go along with their 8M citizens that they would have been overrun by now.

 

[Speedo66]

Yes and I suspect if Israel were not armed with devastating modern weaponry (including nukes) to go along with their 8M citizens that they would have been overrun by now.

Really? They kicked serious butt in the '67 6 Day War, and again in the '73 Yom Kippur, no nukes involved, no US help besides weapons. They were attacked on several fronts, and pushed back. The surrounding countries were armed by the Soviets, so equal arms. Anyway, who's got more oil money in the world to buy weapons systems?

They realize there's no one in the area going to help them, it's a fight to the death. They are generally better educated, and taught to think for themselves in the event their officers are gone. They tend to improve weapons systems given them. Their fighter pilots, because they have such few planes and thus fewer spots, have a much higher washout rate than the US, and are considered by some to be the best fighter pilots in the world.

Again, no nukes involved.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Might also be that Israel currently has a nuclear deterrent????

Actually, they have something even better, given their geo-political situation.

It's called "nuclear ambiguity".

This roughly translates to "Maaaaybe we do, maaaaybe we don't. Wanna try us and find out?"


From Wikipedia:

"Israel has never officially admitted to having nuclear weapons, instead repeating over the years that it would not be the first country to "introduce" nuclear weapons to the Middle East, leaving ambiguity as to whether it means it will not create, will not disclose, will not make first use of the weapons or possibly some other interpretation of the phrase."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel

 

[Frank Ettin]

How did a thread about Europe's leading rabbi saying that European Jews should be able to carry guns for protection turn into a discussion about Israel and Israeli strategy?

Can we go back to a discussion of the topic of this thread please?

 

[45223]

I'd definitely say as a Jew myself we should have learned from the holocaust. What pisses me off to no end is all the other Jews who don't think it's a good idea to be armed.

Never again are empty words unless you have some ability to enforce it.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

I'd definitely say as a Jew myself we should have learned from the holocaust. What pisses me off to no end is all the other Jews who don't think it's a good idea to be armed.

Never again are empty words unless you have some ability to enforce it.

You are exactly right.

And in a broader sense, the ultimate human right, the right to life, is meaningless if you do not have the means of self-defense.