Why Are American Jews So Anti-Gun?

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Moderator's Note: The article was published in the largest, and oldest, national "Jewish" paper in the United States, the Jewish Daily Forward.

Why Are American Jews So Anti-Gun?


By Eric King
Thu. Mar 20, 2008


With the Supreme Court opening this week the first extensive examination of the constitutional right to bear arms in nearly 70 years, now seems a pretty good time to ask a question that’s been perplexing me for nearly as long: Why is that American Jews are so overwhelmingly anti-gun?

I’ve been stumped by this communal aversion to firearms ever since I was a 6 year old, back in 1947. While flipping through old Life magazines one day in my grandparents’ living room in the Bronx, I came across photographs taken at the liberation of concentration camps. I saw the pictures of bodies stacked like cordwood, and was stunned.

“Mommy, why are all those people dead?” I asked.

My mother, a brilliant and subtle woman, thought for a moment and said, “The bad Germans called Nazis killed them.” To which, of course, I asked, “Why did the Nazis kill them?”

“They killed them because they were Jews,” she replied.

Although I was only 6 and not yet sure of my identity or its meaning, I asked, “We’re Jews, aren’t we?”

“Yes,” answered my mother.

“Mommy,” I asked, without missing a beat, “do you and Daddy have a gun so we can protect ourselves if the Nazis come for us?”

“This is America,” my mother reassured me. “That can’t happen here.”

All across America little Jewish boys and girls got the same answer, and pretty much all of them accepted it. That answer, though, didn’t satisfy me — and to this day I wonder how it is that Jews in America, despite no small amount of antisemitism, have so strongly devoted themselves to the belief that “it” couldn’t happen here.

During the 1960s I encountered Holocaust survivors who told me that just as American Jews felt secure from genocide, German Jews had felt similarly secure before the Nazis’ rise to power. The average Jew in Berlin during the mid-1920s would have thought you were crazy if you had said it was possible that within 20 years most European Jews would be systematically exterminated by the German government,

So that there is no misunderstanding, let me be completely clear: I have never felt, and do not now, that there is some imminent likelihood of genocide against Jews — or, for that matter, any other group — in America. I just never saw the wisdom of assuming that 50 years from now, or even 20, this couldn’t change.

I also never saw the wisdom in going out of my way to avoid protecting myself. Most of my fellow American Jews, though, have been doing just that — and what’s more, fighting to prevent others from arming themselves. As best as I can tell, this American Jewish aversion to firearms has its origins back in the Eastern Europe of yesteryear, where a centuries-long history of difficult experiences gave rise to what is best described as the “shtetl mentality.”

A great many American Jews had great-grandparents who originally came from shtetls or ghettos in Europe. One of the major hazards of living in another people’s country was that occasionally a few Cossacks would get drunk, ride over to the nearest shtetl, rape a few women, maybe murder a man who protested rather than begging for his life, and then ride off into the sunset.

It had to be inescapably clear to these Jews that dozens of able-bodied and sober men would surely have been a match for eight or 10 drunk Cossacks. It would have been easy, even for Jews not trained in arms, to kill the Cossacks and bury them someplace.

It is obvious, though, why they did not: Had they had done so, swarms of Cossacks would have massacred every Jew in every shtetl within 100 versts. Defense was just not an option.

The women raped and the men murdered were seen as the price Jews paid for surviving as a people. Since no Jew likely considered the possibility that without some major provocation the Cossacks would someday try to kill them all, it seemed like a reasonable, if awful, compromise.

Such a compromise must have taken a devastating and horrific psychological toll on the people forced to make it. In order to maintain self-respect, people in such a condition had to explain it as the result of something that made them better than their oppressors. This was the notion that they voluntarily — rather than of necessity, as was actually the case — eschewed the use of weapons because they understood that violence was evil, while their tormentors did not. It was the key to survival, and to self-respect.

Today’s American Jews, despite being far removed from the shtetl, still carry this shtetl mentality with them, despite the fact that it has long since lost its utility. American Jews are overwhelmingly in favor of gun bans, and are disproportionately represented in the leadership positions of the movement to ban private ownership of firearms.

This shtetl mentality is tellingly absent among Israelis, and another look back at history helps explain why.

Many American Jews are the direct descendants of immigrants who left the ghettos and shtetls with the shtetl mentality intact and came to the United States between 1885 and 1925. They raised their children, who in turn raised their children, to believe that all weapons were wrong because all violence was wrong — even though the conditions in America were different, the horrible compromise of Europe was behind them, and their survival and self-respect no longer depended on a willingness to defenselessly sit by while members of the community were raped and murdered.

The Jews who remained in Europe, on the other hand, were confronted by the Holocaust. The ones who survived saw that the rules had changed, and many of them immigrated to Israel. They saw that not all violence was wrong, that violence could be used to preserve the Jewish people, and that the defensive use of weapons was necessary for the survival of the community. The result has been a greater acceptance of individual use of weapons for personal defense.

Israelis, in short, have learned a lesson that far too few American Jews have yet to grasp: For Jews, the phrase “assault rifle” is a misnomer — the correct term, once the shtetl mentality has been transcended, is “Jewish defense rifle.”

Eric King is a writer living in Berkeley, Calif.
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One of my best friends and training partners is Jewish, he's the best shot I've ever seen. His father is a retired vet and lawman, collects 1911s.

Another Jewish friend of mine was a Marine Scout/Sniper. Served honorably in Iraq.

Just what point are you trying to make?
 
There are exceptions to every rule (JPFO comes to mind), but the author is questioning why the voting bloc of American Jews tends heavily to vote for disarmament of citizens.
 
The OP is just passing this along, but I see the point that the writer is trying to make.

Really, I've seen something strangely similar. Here in the US, one particular immigrant group, with whom I am extremely familiar, bends over just about backwards in an attempt to "get along to go along," to the point that they have largely adopted hallmarks of liberal thinking and behavior in an attempt to be accepted. Most of these people came here in the wake of a minor holocaust against their religion. Up in Canada, the same ethnic group, having come much earlier, generally pre-holocaust, and having had generations and generations of adjustment time, continue to act and think along more traditionally conservative lines, which is to say that they are more open in their practice of their religion, more apt to act like their counterparts back where they originally came from, and less afraid of sticking out like sore thumbs against the majority backdrop in their adoptive homeland.
 
Interesting, but surprising. About 1/3 of my social acquaintances are Jews, and I never noticed any distinctive trend.

On the other hand, of my friends who are Jews, and my friends who shoot, I can't think offhand of any overlap cases.
 
The guy who got me into shooting (d@mn him forever for ruining my financial life in the process! :cuss: ;) ) is Jewish. He's also a member here and on APS (Azrael256). He's also former (active) USMC and a Texan, so that might have something to do with it... :rolleyes:

The first people I went shooting with, not counting summer camps, were 1) a United Methodist religion major (UMC, despite sharing a name with an ammo company, holds a stance of gun control), 2) a homosexual, 3) Azrael256, and 4) a Frenchman (3rd gen).

Funny how it was a sterotypical group. :confused:
 
Isn't Oleg Volk, the owner of this website, Jewish?

I'm under the impression he is, and as such I find this thread hilarious!
 
The point made is quite valid. A very large percentage of American Jews consider themselves to be politically liberal, and tend to buy in to the concept that guns don't need to be owned by citizens. Not all Jews, but definitely the vast majority. It is an odd phenomenon.
 
I guess it depends on who you know. All the Jews I personally know are very much into firearms ownership and competitive shooting sports.
 
Maybe the more vocal organizations that the media talks about are anti-gun. I suspect there are a large number of Jewish folks who aren't. What was the old term used to describe the majority of people- The Silent Majority. There are silent majorities in every subset of people in this country.
 
The original post wasn't anti-Semitic or a slam on the bravery of Jews, and anyway he didn't write the article he posted.

That article isn't anti-Semitic either, and neither is the newspaper that published it. Perhaps most people don't know that the Jewish Daily Forward is the oldest and most influential Jewish newspaper in this country. It's an introspective analysis of a real phenomenon and it's written for a Jewish audience by a Jewish writer who published it in a Jewish newspaper.

Interesting article.
 
Man, I KNEW there was gonna be a "Nuh uh, I know a Jewish guy who likes guns" post.

The Jewish experience is really fascinating, and not very well understood in America from what I can tell. I really enjoyed the article, so much more could be addressed, but we'd still come back to the human condition and psychology I think.

I don't think there are many people that consider Industrialized early Third Reich Germany anything akin to the Stone Age, but people simply don't want to believe that evil could flourish so rampantly in America. If they looked through history, they would know that it already has, multiple times, in the same sort of "brainwashing" as Nazi Germany.
 
I don't think there are many people that consider Industrialized early Third Reich Germany anything akin to the Stone Age, but people simply don't want to believe that evil could flourish so rampantly in America. If they looked through history, they would know that it already has, multiple times, in the same sort of "brainwashing" as Nazi Germany.

True. One of many examples today is Louis Farrakhan (Louis Eugene Walcott, before he changed his name) another of Barack Obama's prominent supporters. It's one of the reasons why I don't understand why any Jew would support, endorse, or vote for Obama. He ought to scare hell out of them for the reason you identify.
 
As an American Jew, it find the position of many of my people striking. Most Jews I know are very antigun, my family included. However, I feel that as I Jew I feel the need for protection more then many other people. I've seen what have happened to us over our entire history and I refuse to let something happen to me without a fight. I'm surprised more Jews don't share the views of the JPFO.
 
There was a rather long segment on a radio talk show about most Jews being moderately to extremely liberal. Runs totally counter to what conventional wisdom should be with the Jewish experience.

I suspect it has something to do with the environment that most Jews are exposed to early in life. Urban and heavily socialized rather than rural. For most people, what is the practical use of a shotgun or rifle if you live on the 30th floor of a high rise? How do you go shooting if you live in downtown Manhattan? Obviously it's possible but very difficult.
 
If American Jews think "it can't happen here", then they should study the beginnings of the Church of Latter Day Saints, aka Mormonism. They might change their attitude.
 
Jewish Mentality.

Excellent post explaining source of anti gun agenda among Jews.

Like it or not we will have to reach over to the left to protect our rights.

Perhaps we can convert some, but in order to do so, we need to understand where they got their thoughtprocesses from so we cna undo them.

Nicki
 
The answer is the same reason most "big-city urbanite
demographics" tend to be anti-gun.

Correlated to the fact that most big city urban governments
then to be patriarchal and patronizing and too big for the
little guy to buck, so folks go along to get along but don't
realize why, eventually ending up thinking the way it is
is the way it outa be.

Just dont try to convince Jew for Preservation of Firearms
Ownership.
 
There was a post a while back (it got locked, but only because it got way off-topic) where I addressed why Jews were so anti-gun, addressing secular Jews vs. Orthodox Jews....

To place a political stereotype on a religion is just wrong.... there are Catholics on both sides of the abortion issue, and that is a heck of a lot more clear-cut religion wise.

The problem isn't Jews being anti-gun, it is that socialists and modern liberals are anti-gun, and starting in the late 1800's, there was a huge movement among Jews toward such groups... mostly due to the Enlightenment, but also because of religious division, and an attempt to "modernize" Jews.

While the Holocaust can be a good argument, as well as the early history of the Church of the LDS, the fact is that the root of the anti-gun behavior goes back to the 19th century, and thus has to be combated in arguments relating the logic of socialism and modern liberalism.

Some have worked toward this goal in the Jewish world. Oleg Volk, the JPFO, and the Rabbi who helped shape me into who I am (check my post "RIP - a quiet activist" for an explanation of how things are changing)... The tide is turning the other way, and as religiosity is on the rise in the Jewish community, I fully expect political opinion to sway back toward the right and become more pro-gun....

Hey, the next gunshop owner you meet could be an Orthodox Jew :)
 
To place a political stereotype on a religion is just wrong.... there are Catholics on both sides of the abortion issue, and that is a heck of a lot more clear-cut religion wise.

The problem isn't Jews being anti-gun, it is that socialists and modern liberals are anti-gun, and starting in the late 1800's, there was a huge movement among Jews toward such groups... mostly due to the Enlightenment, but also because of religious division, and an attempt to "modernize" Jews.

Please re-read what you just said, because you just contradicted yourself.



Incidentally, I see no problem with making the statement: most American Jews are opposed to firearm ownership.
 
LDS

Due to the history of the early church, the LDS or Mormon history is one where they were persecuted all the way to Nauvoo.

Conesequently, many people think Mormons are pacifists and hate guns..... Don't bet on it.

The LDS church is very gun friendly. We had church groups go shooting, our scout troops are very gun friendly. I have heard some wards dont like CCW, but hey, I can live with that.

Now, mind you, I went to church in Montana and Montanans are VERY gun friendly to start with.
 
Maybe the more important lesson to take from the bodies piled by Nazis isn't their answer to "The Jewish Question." But rather the fact that all of those bodies weren't Jewish.

My godparents were in Hitler's camps. Their crime? Being Polish. And it wasn't just the Poles. Gypsies, Slavs, homosexuals, retarded, mentally ill, basically anybody who was a drain of resources, was politically questionable or someone in the inner circle had a beef against were ready to have a pogrom enacted against them.

Can't happen here? I'd like to point out this is the same sort of bully-boy mentality that gets worked out every day in every American school.
 
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