Zaydok Allen
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I was poking around and found it on SGammo. Velocity is listed at 1130 ft per sec. Just curious if anyone has tried it out. I've wanted 10mm HSTs for awhile now.
Federal HST 200 gr 10mm ammo: Have you tried it?
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KBintheSLC
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I haven't tried a factory HST 10mm loading as of yet... but I bet it would be nice... especially if the advertised velocity is produced in a 4.5"-5" barrel. I usually load my own 10mm with 200g XTP over 12.4 of Accu#9. Seems like the HST bullets hold together pretty well and expand nicely, as one would expect.
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Looks like decent stuff. Speed gold dot seem to be OK too, right about the same advertised velocity.
Me too, good load in my 5" RIA, very accurate.
Me too, good load in my 5" RIA, very accurate.
MTMilitiaman
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Federal offers the HST as a reloading component? And there is a 200 gr 10mm?
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Federal announced the new 200 gr HST 10mm load at this years SHOT, I believe.
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Drats! So like the 200 gr Speer Gold Dot, I am still waiting for it to become available as a loading component, so I can look forward to seeing it in Doubletap or Underwood's lineup. I don't know why any of these mainstream ammunition manufactures want to offer full power 10mm Auto. But their failures have made Mike McNett a millionaire so I am sure when it is available as a loading component, he will offer one or both of these projectiles at 1250 fps.
Full power ammo (10mm included but not just 10mm) is often seen as a liability to ammo makers, at least those who are pumping out millions of rounds. Literally nothing they offer to the public is full power no matter the caliber. Boutique makers (DT, Underwood, etc) can get by loading things 110% to serve that niche segment of ammo purchasers, much of them 10mm guys wanting 110%.
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Maybe a little, but not to nearly the degree as with the 10mm Auto. You can find 9x19, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP all pretty much loaded to same standard. The boutique manufactures may offer a little bit more velocity from these cartridges, but not much. They will experiment with different loads more freely some of the more mainstream manufactures--offering homogeneous copper bullet offerings like Leigh or Barnes, or heavy-for-caliber cast bullets. Doubletap participates in SAAMI so everything is industry spec with them. Some, like Buffalo Bore don't participate in SAAMI and offer things like +P .40 S&W, but I personally avoid them like Bubba's reloads at the gun show.
The point is that is much easier to find .45 ACP or .357 Magnum loaded at or near its potential than it is to find 10mm Auto loaded at or near its potential. I think one of the only things keeping the 10mm Auto from achieving mainstream popularity is the failure of mainstream ammo manufactures to endorse the cartridge by loading full power ammo for it, and I think this is a shame because the cartridge has a lot to offer. Think about what would have happened to the .357 Magnum if Remington had decided the full power stuff had too much recoil so you should be fine with .38 Special in a .357 Magnum box. We have a bunch of mainstream accepted rounds that provide recoil equal to or greater than the 10mm Auto that were allowed to go mainstream because the market supported ammo that at least approximated what the cartridge is capable of. I'd like the 10mm Auto to get the same chance the .357 Magnum got.
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While I am a proponent of full power ammo in most cartridges I believe the original Norma loadings were 200 gr bullets at 1200 ft/sec, weren't they? I also seem to recall that those loads had a reputation for beating the hell out of handgun frames.
Mass and velocity are what makes the 10mm stand out. If this load penetrates adequately, and I want like 20" of penetration with good expansion, at this velocity, I guess I'm ok with not beating up my $1100 pistol. I just need it to perform adequately, not kill the dirt or tree behind the intended target. I desire pass throughs with this loading, but anything I'm using this on will be in the outdoors, furry, angry, and likely under 400 lbs. Bigger than a black bear, and I really want something that can throw a heavier bullet.
I did think about buying these, pulling them, and working up a AA#9 load that exceeds the factory loading, but it would just be too expensive. I do see pulled 40 cal HSTs for sale here and there, but not the 200 gr bullet. I'm also curious how this bullet stands up to carbine velocities. It's got a canneluer that holds the jacket to the lead core, and is not bonded. I have hear from other forum members and have seen videos where bonded bullets can come apart at higher velocities. Just wonder if these would hold up any better.
Mass and velocity are what makes the 10mm stand out. If this load penetrates adequately, and I want like 20" of penetration with good expansion, at this velocity, I guess I'm ok with not beating up my $1100 pistol. I just need it to perform adequately, not kill the dirt or tree behind the intended target. I desire pass throughs with this loading, but anything I'm using this on will be in the outdoors, furry, angry, and likely under 400 lbs. Bigger than a black bear, and I really want something that can throw a heavier bullet.
I did think about buying these, pulling them, and working up a AA#9 load that exceeds the factory loading, but it would just be too expensive. I do see pulled 40 cal HSTs for sale here and there, but not the 200 gr bullet. I'm also curious how this bullet stands up to carbine velocities. It's got a canneluer that holds the jacket to the lead core, and is not bonded. I have hear from other forum members and have seen videos where bonded bullets can come apart at higher velocities. Just wonder if these would hold up any better.
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A little off topic, but just my personal observation from over a decade of using 10mm... published velocities seem a bit overblown in the 10mm world... especially from the boutique brands. The Double Tap 200g XTP [controlled expansion] and 200g FMJ-FP loads I have tested "only" did an avg. of ~1110fps from a 4.6" G20 barrel. Of course, elevation and lower temps may have played some role in that. I averaged ~1120 from my 200g XTP over 12.4g Accu#9 handloads [slightly faster than the DT] on the same days/location.
I think the 200g @ 1200 fps notion came from much longer and/or specialized test barrels. Even with my 6" LW hunting barrel, the DT load does not get to 1200 fps... about 1170-ish. I'm using an F1 Shooting Chrony, which has been reliable/consistent with many cartridges, and I have never seen a 200g 10mm bullet, from any manufacturer, actually hit 1200 fps in my G20 [4.6" or 6" barrel]. https://rangehot.com/original-10mm-ammo-made-ffv-norma-ab-·s-670-40-amotfors-sweden/
There is an interesting take on it below... either way... I still love the 10mm and even at "only" 1100-1150 fps, it is still plenty powerful.
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I think the 200g @ 1200 fps notion came from much longer and/or specialized test barrels. Even with my 6" LW hunting barrel, the DT load does not get to 1200 fps... about 1170-ish. I'm using an F1 Shooting Chrony, which has been reliable/consistent with many cartridges, and I have never seen a 200g 10mm bullet, from any manufacturer, actually hit 1200 fps in my G20 [4.6" or 6" barrel]. https://rangehot.com/original-10mm-ammo-made-ffv-norma-ab-·s-670-40-amotfors-sweden/
There is an interesting take on it below... either way... I still love the 10mm and even at "only" 1100-1150 fps, it is still plenty powerful.
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Good insight.
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I'll definitely have to try the 10mm HST. Didn't know that was coming. It's a great bullet and I've been impressed with those I've tested in SIMTEST.
Honestly, 50-100fps isn't going to make a difference either way.
Honestly, 50-100fps isn't going to make a difference either way.
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That was my take on it too. With a 200 grain bullet, a little more moderate velocity is probably not that big of a deal. The mass is going to make up for it.
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It should also make follow up shots a little easier to manage too.
Honestly, I'm just glad they weren't like 1,060 or something like that.
Honestly, I'm just glad they weren't like 1,060 or something like that.
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Factory loads may come up a bit short of advertised velocity, often do in many chamberings. But well in excess of 1,200 FPS with a 200 gr. pill is not a problem for the cartridge, and as much as 1,400 FPS with 180s from a 5" tube.
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Yeah I've been shooting Doubletap since it came out and have always found it to chrono within 50 fps of advertised velocity from my Glock 20 with either the factory barrel or the stock-length KKM. I've also found my current 200 gr XTP load from Grizzly Cartridge Co to chrono right at 1200 fps, again within 50 fps of advertised.
Shooting heavy for caliber .40 cal pills at legit velocities is the whole point of the 10mm Auto, IMO. I know a lot of people carry 10mms for woods guns around here. It is the only thing that rivals the .44 in terms of popularity. It is a shame mainstream manufactures can't get on the band wagon. They have to know we aren't carrying their watered down crap for bear defense. A 200 gr .40 caliber JHP @ 1200 fps for defense and hunting, and a FMJFP loaded to same velocity covers all the bases.
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I guess they don't feel the need with multiple smaller ammo manufacturers covering it.
At least the big boys are making the guns. Ruger, Remington, Sig, Springfield.........seems like more and more options every year. When I first got into it in the early 2000s, it was Glock, Tanfoglio, and (very recently at the time) Dan Wesson & Kimber entries. Now we have a couple dozen companies offering at least one model so chambered.
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I haven't even seen the 200 HST yet. But FWIW, I have chronographed the original factory NORMA 200 grain in 4 1/4" and 5" semi-autos and 5" revolver barrels. The NORMA routinely averaged 1200 FPS, or a bit more, in 5" semi-auto and revolver barrels. So can't speak for other 200 grain 10mm factory loads, but the old NORMA actually did achieve the velocity advertised. BTW, The last lot of Buffalo Bore 10mm 180 I tested in a 5" pistol averaged 1380 FPS. Both more momentum, and energy, than the old NORMA factory load........
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With a full sized .45 auto you can easily get over 1200 fps with a 200 grain bullet in .45 super loading..
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What does that have to do with 10mm or this offering from Federal?
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Out of a 5" barrel, you can get 1300 fps with a 240gr with the .460 Rowland. I converted my Springfield XDm 5.25 .45acp to .460 Rowland. It's a cannon.
I'd still rather have a 15 +1 PPQ 10mm should they ever make one.
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Yep, I really want to get my hands on some of these. I’d like to chronograph a few and see how they match up to published velocities. If they are close they may be my new carry load.
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Yes I have and compared it against the Speer Gold Dot
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