Foxnews Alert: Gunman on VA Tech campus

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The fella being interviewed on Fox right now was asked what could be done in the future.
His response: "We can't just put an armed guard at every door."

You could let folks DEFEND THEMSELVES, ARTARD!!!
 
Grrr. The Brady bunch and VPC want to blame this on how easily one can get a gun? Well if it's so easy, why wasn't anyone else there able to get a gun to defend themselves?! :banghead:
 
The damage control begins. The President of VA Tech is saying they haven't confirmed a connection between the first shooting and the second (ha!), now he's trying to explain why nobody sent out a warning and the campus wasn't closed. The campus police chief won't explain why his people assumed the shooter had left campus after the first shooting. He just says it, and wants us to accept it.

They're nervous. They're really nervous. Somebody dropped the ball on this one, BIG TIME. These guys have spent the morning with lawyers, I guarantee it. They're guarded, excessively careful, and refusing even to make obvious connections.
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Oh, yeah, they're doing anything to cover their rears. If both shootings were because of this same guy, the civil liability will be HUGE. Serious negligence issues. As well it should be. The administration disarmed the students/faculty. Security was now the sole province of the school. And obviously, they failed miserably. :banghead:

Even if these weren't related incidents, the school is screwed because nothing much was done to safeguard their students. Bad news all around.

I expect the civil litigation to be extensive. VT had better have its insurance paid up. They are in for a world of hurt.

Hopefully.
 
Hávamál 38.
Let a man never stir on his road a step
without his weapons of war;
for unsure is the knowing when
need shall arise
of a spear on the way without.
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Sometimes, history can teach us things.

But as men intent upon hostility have associated themselves in military corps, it becomes your duty to associate likewise-Arm and organize yourselves immediately ....

Do you wish to preserve your rights? Arm yourselves-Do you desire to secure your dwellings? Arm yourselves-Do you wish your wives and daughters protected? Arm yourselves-Do you wish to be defended against assassins or the Bully Rocks of faction? Arm yourselves-Do you desire to assemble in security to consult for your own good or the good of your country? Arm yourselves.-To arms, to arms, and you may then sit down contented, each man under his own vine and his own fig-tree and have no one to make him afraid....

If you are desirous to counteract a design pregnant with misery and ruin, then arm yourselves; for in a firm, imposing and dignified attitude, will consist your own security and that of your families-To arms, then to arms. "Mentor," Tench Coxe. AURORA (Phila.), May 21, 1799
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So your ellected officials and LEOs are not responsible for your protection,

BUT

they have the power to disarm you and render you defensless!

What the h*** is wrong with this picture???

:fire:
 
A reporter asked "So doesn't this render the lock-down policy ineffective?" (after a line of questioning and answering regarding how the campus was put on lockdown and students were instructed to remain in classes and not leave following the first incident.)

And the President answered "No." :what: :what: :what:
 
As an addendum to my previous statements about VT's negligence:
Students complained that there were no public-address announcements or other warnings on campus after the first burst of gunfire. They said the first word they received from the university was an e-mail more than two hours into the rampage — around the time the gunman struck again.

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Some students bitterly questioned why the gunman was able to strike a second time.

"What happened today this was ridiculous," student Jason Piatt told CNN. "While they send out that e-mail, 20 more people got killed."
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I reiterate, the VT administration will have a lot of explaining to do. And get ready for the litigation. :cuss:

This will get hammered out in the courts.
 
I'm reminded of something the Dr. Richard Hanlon said the The Battle History of the Air Force on the subject of the Sept. 11 hijackings. It sees approprate here.
"Had there been one armed citizen on each of those aircraft, Sept.11 would have never happened"
This from the Air Force's historian.

When will the academic world come down off their ivory towers and realize that they are producing sheep to the slaughter?

For that matter, when will our elected officials (who oversee academia) see this also?

One armed citizen.

Personally, my heart bleeds for the families of those lost in this tragedy, but the blame lands firmly upon the school's administration, the local LE, and the Va. government.
 
Lots of excuses in this PC guys.

The President keeps reinterating that it is difficult to notify the 8,000 (or 10,000, or 14,000 - depending on the different times he mentions it) students and where they should "lock" them down. He is speaking specifically about off-campus students that are driving to campus.

Why the hell not turn them around at campus entrances? You're talking about a difference of 45 minutes between start of classes and the first 911 call.

Hindsight is 20/20, but man there are really a lot of excuses.
 
The fella being interviewed on Fox right now was asked what could be done in the future.
His response: "We can't just put an armed guard at every door."
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The next LOGICAL step from that true statement would be to let the people arm THEMSELVES. Alas, logic seems to be gone for good in this country...:mad:
 
Good lord. This sounds like a complete clusterfudge. Unless I misheard, the university President just seemed to say that the building where the shooting was happening was locked down from the outside. Thus sealing the fate of the students inside. I hope I misheard that.
 
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The only honorable response to violence is counter-violence. To surrender to extortion is a greater sin than extortion in that it breeds and feeds the very act it seeks to avoid.
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Now there's as sig-line quality quote!

Where did that come from?
 
Personally, my heart bleeds for the families of those lost in this tragedy, but the blame lands firmly upon the school's administration, the local LE, and the Va. government.
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Exactly.

Yet those responsible will never realize nor admit to that fact.
 
As an addendum to my previous statements about VT's negligence:

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Students complained that there were no public-address announcements or other warnings on campus after the first burst of gunfire. They said the first word they received from the university was an e-mail more than two hours into the rampage — around the time the gunman struck again.

* * *

Some students bitterly questioned why the gunman was able to strike a second time.

"What happened today this was ridiculous," student Jason Piatt told CNN. "While they send out that e-mail, 20 more people got killed."

I reiterate, the VT administration will have a lot of explaining to do. And get ready for the litigation.

This will get hammered out in the courts.
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Following VT's security policy, if you're a VT student and you hear gunshots, you should immediately check your INBOX.

UN-FREAKIN'-REAL
 
It has to stop.
It has to stop now.

I understand why some of you are fearing or preparing for sweeping new gun control laws. Past experience makes that a logical action.

But it's up to us to make sure this stops, people.
As many others have said it's time for us to show and act on our outrage that this can happen, and continues to happen.

We need to bury the Brady campaign and the other organizations of their ilk.
They are dangerous to us, our loved ones, to every law-abiding person in this country.

It's up to us, and until we act, effectively and continuously, it won't stop.

We need to stand, individually and together, and let our reps know that we will not tolerate this anymore.

We have to do whatever is required to take back the rights we allowed to be stolen from us.

No more.

I sit here listening to the streaming broadcast as I type, and they are saying the same useless CYA things they always say.
The media is spouting the same inane garbage they always spout.

If I don't do something to help stop this madness I don't think I could look at myself in the mirror.
I hope enough others feel, and will act, the same.

No more.
 
Did it sound to anyone else like there wasn't actually any lockdown policy?

The question was posed to the chief or Va Tech's campus police; "Can you detail the lockdown policy?" He passed the buck to the Va Tech spokesman who then stammered around and was then rescued by the president of the university who talked all around the question.
 
I don't understand the fixation on someone sending out e-mails to students .. Virginia tech has over 16,000 people living off campus (25,000 students in all I believe) .. I think the thought was just to keep people away from the campus .. The e-mail was obviously not for the people at school ..

I vote for letting students carry .. But that will never happen
 
I think VA tech. and the Blacksburg PD are going to get their brains sued out over this, and rightfully so. It's inexcusable that the campus wasn't locked down and overrun with LEOs, until this little creep was found.
 
The President keeps reinterating that it is difficult to notify the 8,000 (or 10,000, or 14,000 - depending on the different times he mentions it) students and where they should "lock" them down. He is speaking specifically about off-campus students that are driving to campus.
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Blacksburg's one of the most wired/connected cities on the planet. Blast SMS/email/a few LED bulletin boards around campus? How difficult is to notify classrooms in session. workers and students in dorms to secure in place, drop sawhorses to seal the entrance routes, and have the rest of the campus police force focused on anybody still moving around the grounds?

Do any of the LEO's on the board have any insight into the standard notification/reaction protocols for a decent sized campus environment like this?
 
don't understand the fixation on someone sending out e-mails to students .. Virginia tech has over 16,000 people living off campus .. I think the thought was just to keep people away from the campus .. The e-mail was obviously not for the people at school ..
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The problem is that all they did was the email. They did nothing for the people at the school who were in danger. No public announcements... nothing... just the email.
 
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