Foxnews Alert: Gunman on VA Tech campus

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They did. After the shooter killed himself, they burst into the various closed rooms and marched everyone out with their hands up, threatening to kill anyone who didn't comply. CNN's been covering it.
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Unbelievable... :barf:
 
I have information overload right now. Can somebody post the cliff notes version of the two hour delay component of this story?
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First shooting at 7:15 in a dormitory. Two people dead (maybe just one, I've seen conflicting reports)

Second shooting around 10:00 a.m. across campus at the engineering building. 31 people including the shooter dead.

Shooter obviously moved across campus during those 2.5 hours.
 
I have information overload right now. Can somebody post the cliff notes version of the two hour delay component of this story?
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Gunman go into a domestic dispute of some type in a dorm and shot an RA who tried to intervene. Also shot a couple of other people in the dorm. Cops began searching for the gunman. They had no reason to believe it was anything other than an isolated domestic incident that got out of control. Two hours later gunman walks into a classroom on the other side of campus, takes hostages, and does a mass murder-suicide.
 
What a sad day. There is a special place in hell for this person, and you can bet the flames are licking his ass right now - and forever..:fire:
 
This is a horrible horrible thing that happened. I'm almost in tears thinking about what must have happened. I graduated from Wichita State a few years ago and they had the same 'no gun' policy. Sitting in those classrooms my mind would wander to the incident that happened in Texas in the 60's where a sniper took free reign over the school from a clock tower, same at that school.

In almost all the classrooms that weren't auditoriums, there was one way in, one way out...that's horrible. You've got better chances to escape at a grocery store. In auditoriums, unless you were the closest to the doors you weren't going to get out in less than a minute or so because there were so many people. all the entrances were to the rear, so someone would have plenty of time to take careful aim and take head shots before people realized what was going on and ran.

Schools are a very unsafe place, lots of people in a confined space, nobody is allowed to be armed...it's just bad. High schools are worse, less room... every classroom is packed to the brim. These acts are horrible, somebody has to stop them. I don't care if they arm retired men as a militia to watch over the campuses and schools, someone needs to be armed to prevent these kinds of things from happening. Or some other better solution....

Can someone give me an update? I've heard Glock 17's, two of them with plenty of 9mm ammo. one classroom full dead, and some kid from a dorm early in the morning.
 
Can someone give me an update? I've heard Glock 17's, two of them with plenty of 9mm ammo. one classroom full dead, and some kid from a dorm early in the morning.
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The manufacturer and model of the guns have not been released. The Glock 17 thing is pure speculation. It was also speculated that one handgun was 9mm and the other was another caliber (possibly .22).
 
"I thought they were trained to go in an actually do something?"

Didn't they act like this around the time of Columbine? Rationale being that they didn't want to force what might be a hostage situation to turn into a massacre... IIRC, that is.

I like Napolitano, too.

"After the shooter killed himself, they burst into the various closed rooms and marched everyone out with their hands up, threatening to kill anyone who didn't comply. CNN's been covering it"
They were on the cuff & stuff routine for some college reporter, if y'all remember the video clips from earlier in the day.
There's liable to be an awful lot of litigation coming up.
 
Okay. I was hearing two different gunman and they showed a pic on foxnews of an asian male in cuffs.
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I've read that that guy was a journalist.

At this point, they say there was only one shooter, but at the press conference they refused to link the two shootings. It was very odd.
 
Thought I would pass this on.

Had CNN on in the background and the gun control issue came up. They said they were going to discuss the gun control issue at 7, eastern, and what impact this shooting will have on the gun control debate.

Andrew
 
There's got to be a story behind what was going through the gunman's head during those 2 hours, and we'll never know what it is.
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I imagine that he was weighing the benefits of suicide vs spending decades in prison and suicide won out. Then decided to go out with a blaze of infamy.

I'm guessing in the days ahead we'll hear the usual story about a troubled young man. History of depression and anger control issues. Possibly bi-polar. Stopped taking his meds. This is almost predictable.
 
There's got to be a story behind what was going through the gunman's head during those 2 hours, and we'll never know what it is.
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If it was a situation with his girlfriend like it appears to be and he failed to locate her in the dorm he probably headed to where he thought he could find her. Perhaps she had a class in the second building and he went there looking for her. Took him 2 hours to covertly cross the campus and the anxiety of wondering if he would find her and whatever angered him to the point of committing the acts he already did probably had him doing a slow burn. Getting more and more furious as the time passed.
 
There going to blame guns, than they are going to blame music, videogames, movies. Than after that theyll relized, that the boy wasnt disciplined enough as a kid.

They said he had 'belts' of ammo. I wonder if that is a stereotype of shootings, or if he actually had that.
 
Also: one problem with the CHL thing is that at least 50% of the population of most universities is under 21, and thus can't have a pistol or CHL.

Do like the Israelis-arm and train the teachers. Note the lack of school shooting in Israel, even though their neighbors are homicidal lunatics.
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I agree! Arm the teachers, staff, and whomever else would be willing to carry. VT has 28,000 students and 2005-2006 data says 3% (840 people) are over the age of 25. If they had just 1% of those over 21 carrying, that's plenty of counter-assault potential. It only takes ONE good guy to put the bad guy down.
 
Also: one problem with the CHL thing is that at least 50% of the population of most universities is under 21, and thus can't have a pistol or CHL.
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In a situation like this it only takes one to stop this from happening. I'll take my chances with 50% armed vs 0%.
 
I'm guessing every trial lawyer in Blacksburg had his VCR running during that presser! I have to say I've never seen so many "deer-in-the-headlights" looks on so many faces at one given time.

I hope the guy they disclipined for carrying last year comes forward with a few pro-2A, Hokie parents. I think we'll see MANY pro-2A, LOCAL HOKIE parents coming forward. Southwest VA is gun heaven and very conservative in its politics.
 
"You don't have hours to reflect on it."

University President Charles Steger said authorities believed that the shooting at the dorm was a domestic dispute and mistakenly thought the gunman had fled the campus.

"We had no reason to suspect any other incident was going to occur," Steger said.

He defending the university's handling of the tragedy, saying: "We can only make decisions based on the information you had on the time. You don't have hours to reflect on it."
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You know, what really kills me is THEY COULD HAVE had hours to reflect on it. I mean, there was a shooting and two people died. That, to me, is a wonderful reason to shut the school down for the day and send everyone home. I understand not wanting to shut the place down for "any little thing", but in a serious event like this it should have been automatic.

Incidentally, this is my first post, so...hello, everybody. It's a pity that it took this to make me delurk, but...so it is.
 
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This is the worst shooting spree ever in the US. I really believe this is the end of the RKBA in the US. Hopefully I am wrong but the ground swell of emotions after this terrible event will allow antis to push for further restrictions and bans on many types of firearms. Look what happen in Britian. The future does not look bright. But if by chance we do survive this tradgedy then we can weather any storm.
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Well, cbsbyte, the worst mass shooting up till this one was the Luby's Cafeteria shooting. That one sparked reform and expansion of concealed carry in Texas. I think the Luby's massacre also helped lead to the nationwide concealed carry revolution which occurred in the 90's. Hopefully the VA Tech shootings will do the same.

It can't be made any clearer that authorities will not defend you. Shootings occurred at 7:15 and there was no notice to the students for two hours? And then they sent an emailabout an armed murder loose on the campus? I can't think of a worse way to notify the campus. Don't they have a PA system? Hell, runners and faculty with bullhorns would be better. Who checks their email at 9 AM -- most students are draggjing themselves out of bed just in time to make their classes.

One small piece of good news: a disarmed undergrad could have easily figured out how to make nitroglycerin instead, especially with easy access to lab equipment (and probably the right grade of nitric acid). A few improvised blasting caps, liter sized coke bottles filled with homemade dynamite/plastique/slurry, and the right mindset could have been much more devastating.
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Hell, Derek, 5 or 10 gallons of gas would have been even worse. With no knowledge required. Just chain the doors in a big auditorium or dorm shut, and set it afire. Just like the Happyland murders. Probably would have had hundreds dead if he'd done that......
 
I'm guessing in the days ahead we'll hear the usual story about a troubled young man. History of depression and anger control issues. Possibly bi-polar. Stopped taking his meds. This is almost predictable

First post here as well (delurking), and I'm in total agreement with this statement... sad sad sad.
 
As I said before, I am currently at student here at Virginia Tech. Back when that cop-killer William Morva was loose, all students were ordered to immediately go to their rooms and lock the doors. Off-campus students were told to stay in their apartments, and classes were immediately canceled.

I do not know what the administration was thinking or what information they were acting upon, it appears that there was some confusion judging from the press interview and from what people back on campus have been telling me. Apparently they thought that the suspect and the situation were under control. They were obviously wrong and something needs to be accounted for here. I don't wanna lump blame on them just yet but I hope they're under the microscope in the next few days.

The press conference definitely reeked of damage control. All of the answers were vague and somewhat defensive. These guys are obviously under a huge amount of stress right now though, and I can only imagine what is going through their heads right now.

What sucks about these crazies is that there isn't much one can do to prevent them. They have no criminal background and often seem stable before they go postal. There's nothing legally you can do to pre-empt them. Background checks won't work unless it's on record that they have mental issues, and I don't know the privacy laws about that. Honestly I think gun dealers should be able to look up people's mental health records before they let them buy. About the only thing to prevent campus shootings like this from happening is to let CCW on campus. At the VERY minimum professors and staff should be allowed to carry, and I'm starting to think that students should as well.

Guys, I really appreciate seeing all the support here. It's good to know that so many thoughts and prayers are with our school.

And don't feel bad for bringing up the gun-grabbing. Once I heard what happened I was worried that this would be used as a crusade to take our rights away. If anything IMO, this just shows that we need to be prepared to defend ourselves and others, as we cannot rely on other people to do it for us.
 
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