friend of mine got hit by some wannabe gangsters

[yongxingfreesty]

I'm at the pool hall we're playing our game and some guy hits my friend's stick. My friend apologizes and thinks the other guy doesnt care.

They call their friends over and all huddle around by their table.
I knew something was wrong because the guy pushed my friend and my friend says, "*** is your problem?" He responds back with, "why you talking ***** for?" I go over to him and say, "Just let it go, we dont want any trouble."

He says :"F that!"

10 minutes later his buddies (6 of them come over) and we are outnumbered with a group of 3 and 2 girls. I know this is going somewhere so I don't look at them and play our game. We decide to end the game, pay for the table and walk out.

I see them standing by the door so I tell my friend to go to the restroom or something and wait for me at the car. I am in the car, have my glock 36 loaded in the pocket. As my friend walks out the door, they say "Hey, come here man."

My friend walks over and says, "Hey sorry about that earlier" and they say, "F that!" My friend doesn't want to start anything so he walks away and says sorry. Right when he turns, two guys hit him and he swings at them so they back off. My friend is 6ft4in 290lbs and the two people are 5ft8in real lightweights.

I get out of my car and tell them all to calm down and some guys yells, "****! You want some of this come to my face."
I tell him to calm down we don't want any trouble and he tells me the same thing. I tell him to come over to me if he wants to fight me because I know I can land a couple hits and take him out. Didn't have to use my gun at all, didn't want to. The manager comes out and tells them to go home so we all leave.

As I am driving in my car, I stop at the light they roll down the window and yell at me. I tell them I don't want any mess so they say, "This has nothing to do with you."

I thought they were all going to follow me home so I took a couple of turns before heading directly to me house.

What ever happened to the good ole one versus one duals? At times like these, I am ashamed of my own race. I try to hang out with all the white friends whenever possible.

One thing I want to know is, if it was a difference scenario where all 7 of them ran up on me can I draw my weapon? I know you're not suppose to, but what if you knew you were going to get beaten to death and they just leave the scene?

 

[DWARREN123]

May not be completely legal, depends on location also, but do what you have to. If you truly fear that your life is in danger reply with the force needed to end the conflict.
It's really not about race, just some folks are a**holes.
Stay safe.

 

[helpless]

I agree with DWARREN123. If you are worried that you are going to be killed ir seriouslly injured then do what you have to do.

Today you can not have a good ol fist fight so try to avoid situations like that all together. Maybe take up scrabble or something. Maybe Poker night at a buddies house. Truth is you cant avoid this kind of scum forever.

It will happen sooner or later. Rule number one is keep you and yours alive.

 

[gunsmith]

I would think that 7 against one is a good reason to shoot, only keep your mouth shut tight (other then saying you were in fear for your life) and let the lawyer handle the cops.
I am not that sure about TX law but isn't TX a stand your ground state?

 

[ravencon]

Your friend's actions and attitude guaranteed an escalation of the situation.

If you hang out at pool halls with people like him you'll probably have to use your gun sooner or later. Something to think about.

 

[JamisJockey]

Your friend's actions and attitude guaranteed an escalation of the situation.

How so? According to the story, his friend was contrite and repeatedly apologized.

Yong:
You should have left after the first hint of trouble.

 

[budney]

According to the story, his friend was contrite and repeatedly apologized.

That sounds true, except for the part where he asks, "*** is your problem?" According to the story, that was the second thing he said. Makes me wonder what attitude he was projecting in general, and whether, intentionally or not, he offended them.

Doesn't excuse their subsequent behavior, of course. But if you hang out in pool halls where bad boys play, you'd better know how to get along with them--or go play mini golf. Me, I play mini golf.

--Len.

 

[tydephan]

If you hang out at pool halls with people like him you'll probably have to use your gun sooner or later. Something to think about.

This is very true. Is this the same guy that you were with when the Playstation trade went wrong? Didn't that end up in a semi-quasi-high-speed elusion from some wannabe gangsters that ended up with police intervention and the discovery of multiple weapons in his vehicle?

If so, you need to choose your friends better. I don't mean to sound harsh, and I'm not trying to be rude, but friends don't put you in situations like this. From your description, it doesn't sound like he did anything out of line, but some people have a way of drawing unwanted attention to themselves.

Just my clink clink.

 

[Mannlicher]

take a deep breath children, and calm down.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Gangster wannabes? I don't think so, just a bunch of hothead poolhall clowns from the sounds of it.

 

[quatin]

Yeah..were you the one with the playstation trade that ended with a high speed pursuit? Got some interesting stories....Also, a pool hall in Houston? Good place to go when you want trouble.

*Edit
Are there alot of asian gangsters in Houston? I didn't see any, but I didn't visit the Houston night life.

 

[porschefan]

You're on very shaky legal ground if you take actions or make statements that escalate the situation and then use deadly force.

 

[CountGlockula]

Here's a snipet of our good 'ol CA gun law regard self defense against an assault.

Self-Defense Against Assault
It is lawful for a person being assaulted to defend himself or herself from attack if he or she
has reasonable grounds for believing, and does in fact believe, that he or she will suffer
bodily injury. In doing so, he or she may use such force, up to deadly force, as a
reasonable person in the same or similar circumstances would believe necessary to prevent
great bodily injury or death. An assault with fists does not justify use of a deadly weapon
in self-defense unless the person being assaulted believes, and a reasonable person in the
same or similar circumstances would also believe, that the assault is likely to inflict great
bodily injury.
It is lawful for a person who has grounds for believing, and does in fact believe, that great
bodily injury is about to be inflicted upon another to protect the victim from attack. In so
doing, the person may use such force as reasonably necessary to prevent the injury.
Deadly force is only considered reasonable to prevent great bodily injury or death.
NOTE: The use of excessive force to counter an assault may result in civil or criminal
penalties.

 

[never_retreat]

My initial response of shoot them all and do the world a favor would no be very high road. So we will ignore that idea for now.

I my self had an altercation at a pool hall with some ghettoesk types quite a few years ago. Apparently one of the dirt balls was hoot in and hollering about my friend’s girlfriend. She didn't take too kindly to this and told them promptly to go f* themselves. Well they must not have liked being dissed by a girl in front of their other ghetto friends. So they decided to start with my friend and I who were playing the game of pool. We told them to get lost, that didn't work. They took a swing at my friend and that was it game on. Well low and behold all of the locals in this place were sick of these miscreants also. so....
SHTH
The evening ended with the cops showing up to a pile of people in the paring lot. No one called the police till they were done taking care of the troublemakers. The management used this as an opportunity to rid the bar of the problem. The cops showed up and said what happened? and almost in unicen everyone says we didn't see anything. So all and all it ended in a good night, and at least I got some shots in. With a pool stick that is.

 

[yongxingfreesty]

No, this is a different person. They weren't drunk or anything, they were just asking for trouble.

 

[Hobie]

Staying out of "iffy" situations is the best way to stay out of trouble. When they have to come to you to do something then you are defendable in court. Maybe not when you keep going back for more. It is sort of like abstinence which is the only certain way to avoid STDs and impregnating women. Works every time but isn't necessarily much fun. If you insist on playing you will be paying (eventually).

 

[strambo]

my friend says,"*** is your problem?"

10 minutes later

I only needed to read this far. Your friend's reply was escalating instead of de-escalatory...then instead of leaving you stay 10 more minutes while they all gather up the courage to surround you. At the first sign of trouble, just leave. Unless you like trouble that is. You mention what ever happened to one on one? Who cares? Try one on one with a sociopath and see how that turns out. How do you spot the sociopaths ahead of time (who will shank you in the parking lot while smiling and apologizing)? You don't, luckily there aren't that many of them.

Anti-social situations are almost always easy to see coming and easy to avoid (if you want to).

 

[whited]

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According to the story, the friend said "***?" after being pushed.

I might do the same, if not more, if I were just "pushed".

 

[gunsmith]

ahhh

It is very difficult to say "sorry sir,excuse me" after being deliberately shoved.

I had a girlfriend that started giving other drivers "the finger" I asked her to please stop then realized (after a little talking) that me being armed had led her to act this way
She thought that being armed gave me more right to be confrontational, not less.
I had to dump her.
We have to be careful of our friends while armed because they may unconciously(SIC) escalate a situation thinking that we would come to the rescue with our guns.

 

[yongxingfreesty]

My friend knew I was armed, he also guessed they didnt have any weapons so he knew I couldnt use my weapon. He didnt want me to use my weapon and told me he would rather take a few punches then me firing at them.

I'm gonna stay away from these cheap $4/hr pool halls and start going to Slicks.

 

[princewally]

One thing I want to know is, if it was a difference scenario where all 7 of them ran up on me can I draw my weapon? I know you're not suppose to, but what if you knew you were going to get beaten to death and they just leave the scene?"

I believe 3 against 1 is sufficient disparity of force to justify lethal force, in most places.

Or 1 man assaulting 1 woman.

Or a grown man assaulting a child.

 

[Jeff White]

princewally said;

I believe 3 against 1 is sufficient disparity of force to justify lethal force, in most places.

Or 1 man assaulting 1 woman.

Or a grown man assaulting a child.

Please post the actual law from any jurisdiction that spells it out like that.

After your search we'll discuss some things.....

Jeff

 

[budney]

According to the story, the friend said "***?" after being pushed.

That's not completely out of line, but it could be interpreted as escalating. It's not the wisest move, and it makes me wonder about his tone, expression, body language and other factors not covered in the story.

When I'm carrying, I'm the soul of politeness no matter how bad the jerk I'm dealing with. I don't even want to be witnessed looking at you funny, in case I'm forced to shoot you later.

--Len.

 

[theken206]

just my thoughts and my view.............. take action right away or leave as soon as you think trouble is a brewing. Walk up and start throwing hands or just leave is MO when out and about and trouble pops up.

 

[Psssniper]

All y'all chip in and get a pool table for whichever of you guys has a place to put it, then hang out and have a good time with your buddys. Stay out of the danger zones.

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