ivankerley
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wow i'll have night sweats thinking about that. a shame, i suppose they had their reasons but doesnt make it any easier for me to fathom
Gene
Garand rifles not coming to U.S.
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CoalTrain49
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The CMP doesn't get many rifles that don't need to be rebuilt. The CMP doesn't have new parts to re-arsenal a weapon like the military does. They have boxes full of used weapons with parts that are all used, sometimes worn out. So you end up with a rifle rebuilt with used parts and that includes barrels. You may have got one with a "like new" barrel but not everyone is that lucky. You get what they send you. I doubt that they will have many more to sell and it's a shame.
I asked him why, being a budding gun nut, and he said that MacArthur didn't want them warehoused in the Philippines because they could possibly be used in an insurrection by the local warring tribes. The communists in the Asian theater that had been shut down by the war were not wasting anytime re-establishing themselves. Also, some government bean counter felt it was less costly to leave them there then McArthur got nervous.wow i'll have night sweats thinking about that. a shame, i suppose they had their reasons but doesnt make it any easier for me to fathom
Gene
Coach said the 1911s were liberated by most of the officers and any enlisted that wanted them but after that the rest of the weapons McArthur didn't want were loaded on trucks...the trucks and fighting vehicles were than pushed over the side.
McArthur had a tremendous amount of investments in Manila and may have been concerned about losing those investments to rebels. A guy I worked with and an older friend both mentioned McArthur fancied himself an emperor over the Philippines and wouldn't allow the Army to artillery shell in certain areas of Manila because he had investments in those areas and they had to street fight bldg. to bldg. in those areas.
Must have been his local commander or possibly division head honcho. I grew up in military towns and almost every adult male was a WW2 or Korean vet and they had everything from pistols to cases of hand grenades. The government (ours) realized this and had a no questions asked war souvenir turn in and they got everything including live mortar shells and small aerial bombs. Growing up as a kid I fired Thompson sub-machine guns and a buddy and I sat cross legged in his den and took apart one of his dad's hand grenades.wow i'll have night sweats thinking about that. a shame, i suppose they had their reasons but doesnt make it any easier for me to fathom
Gene
Every dad we hunted with hunted with a 1903 that had been sporterized except one of the grandfathers hunted with a 30-40 Krag.
Different times.
I've got new Garand...carbine...1903 parts sealed in government packaging. I bought them as a parts supply in case I ever decide to replace my collection that went downrange for our Daughter's college tuition.
Even E-bay is selling the parts. Common as minutes in a day. Along with the complete gun market there is also a market for parts and many of those have been imported also.
peacebutready
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I'd drool over a crate of these.
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peacebutready
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A live grenade? Could have easily been killed.
USAF_Vet
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But he obviously wasn't. These days, can't chew a pop tart into a gun shape without freaking people out. I can't imagine the reaction today if a kid dismantled a live grenade on the kitchen table while half distracted by whatever was on TV.
CoalTrain49
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Yes, parts are everywhere. One can build a 100% new carbine or Garand from new parts or surplus gov't parts. The CMP however doesn't rebuild their rifles with new parts. They have reached a point where they don't have enough good used rifles anymore to cannibalize to build service grade rifles. The carbines are all gone and the Garands are next. If one wants to have an M1, carbine or Garand, the time to buy is now. Even a beater is better than nothing because as you said, you can rebuild them with new parts. I'm doing that right now with a beater carbine that I bought for cheap for the receiver and trigger housing.
Yes, parts are everywhere. One can build a 100% new carbine or Garand from new parts or surplus gov't parts. The CMP however doesn't rebuild their rifles with new parts. They have reached a point where they don't have enough good used rifles anymore to cannibalize to build service grade rifles. The carbines are all gone and the Garands are next. If one wants to have an M1, carbine or Garand, the time to buy is now. Even a beater is better than nothing because as you said, you can rebuild them with new parts. I'm doing that right now with a beater carbine that I bought for cheap for the receiver and trigger housing.
ol' scratch
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Sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about. I tend to get a little raw when people who don't know what they are talking about spout off. I am a regular at the North Store located at Camp Perry and have been for about 4 years now. I make it about once a month, often times more. Forty years ago? Come on. I will admit that since the Obama gun push and the NY SAFE act, there have been fewer and inventory can be hit or miss. That inventory is much lower than it was even a year and a half ago. Both rifles pictured were purchased at the North Store within the last two years. The top is a 1944 Springfield. I picked it up two years ago in the spring. The lockbars were on the rifle when I bought it. I haven't changed a thing. It has a like new VAR Dane barrel with a muzzle in the negative numbers and a throat of one. It appears as if it was rearsenaled and mothballed. Chamber is in the white. The bottom rifle is a 1955 HRA. It has the correct LMR barrel for the serial number range. It was never rearsenaled, chamber is in the white and all the parts are HRA. The rifle was basically correct when I bought it last fall. I only swapped the new stock with an HRA I had in the basement and it was correct. The rifle appears as if it was never fired. Again, muzzle was in the negatives and the throat is also a 1. I own gauges, so I am not just pulling those numbers from the tags. This was very common until just before the Obama gun push and NY SAFE act. I can't tell you how many rifles I set back in the racks with new barrels and I even had a few with correct and like new WWII barrels. The bottom rifle was funded by spinning a like new WWII Winchester barrel off of a rifle I purchased at Perry and selling that and using the funds to pick up the HRA. I also picked up a 1903 Springfield last summer with low barrel readings. In the past 4 years I have also picked up a Kimber 82 that was unfired, a bunch of unissued bayonets, a Daisy surplus pellet rifle, and AP ammo still in the spam cans from the 50's for $60 a can.
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ol' scratch
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Where do you get this information? Have you ever even been to one of the stores and seen for yourself?
CoalTrain49
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Yes.
There are parts that were made to mil spec for the gov't still in gov't wrappers and cosmoline. Barrels are as good or better than USGI that were made in the 40's. You may even find some barrels that were actually made in the 40's that were never used.
The hot items now are original USGI parts from rifles that were made 42-45. Personally I don't want to pay the premium for those used parts but collectors who restore carbines to factory-issue condition want them.
I think there are more parts out there for carbines and Garands than just about any rifles ever made.
CoalTrain49
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Never been there.
Apparently, from their website they are now in the business of building rifles from after market (not USGI) new parts which they call "specials". They call it their "new grade" and I believe they started that recently. I wasn't aware of that so I guess I learned something new today. I think they are doing that because they are running out of parts, especially stocks and barrels and are trying to stay in business. They also recently opened their shops to the public to service and rebuild USGI rifles.
I'm not bashing the CMP. I would buy a box of their carbines if they had any. All I'm saying is times are tough for them and their usual supply is drying up.
Not a problem...according to the EPA and Bloomberg...riding my bike back home and getting a drink from the water hose or stopping and getting a 32oz soft drink at Bill Miller's BBQ should have already killed me before I was 25.
Like I said...two generations ago in a time and place...far...far away.
ol' scratch
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Coal, they have offered the specials for a few years now. They had CMP specials right next to correct grades, service grade specials, fields and everything else. They had them when they were awash with parts. I saw it. They are not "new grade" They have brand new Criterion barrels, new stocks and are refinished. Some parts are replaced. There is some speculation that they have been using rack grade rifles for this purpose. Some have .308 chambers too. That is only the CMP Specials and does not include the racks, fields or service grades that have showed up sporadically. They still have some service grades and they have USGI barrels. I just helped a friend pick out a field grade last week at the North Store. It gauged low and proved to be a good shooter. This speculation that the CMP builds all their rifles because they offer the CMP specials is unfounded. I will say that the supply seems to be getting to the bottom of the barrel at the moment and will most likely run out soon.
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And to think, we were so close to having a wave of 1000$ sauced-simian-crafted rusty parts guns ruin the good name of the M1 Garand...
Guys, this notice is simply Century blaming layoffs on the president. "Unexpected" rejection my butt; Obama's said all along he'd refuse the repatriation of the rifles (one of his stupid '13 "executive actions" specifically blocked them). The more likely cause is that gun-building has become so popular, there are too many Bubba's building AKs in the garage to keep the Century monkeys employed (and liquored up) to build the dwindling number of parts kits into guns.
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Guys, this notice is simply Century blaming layoffs on the president
. "Unexpected" rejection my butt; Obama's said all along he'd refuse the repatriation of the rifles (one of his stupid '13 "executive actions" specifically blocked them). The more likely cause is that gun-building has become so popular, there are too many Bubba's building AKs in the garage to keep the Century monkeys employed (and liquored up) to build the dwindling number of parts kits into guns.TCB
peacebutready
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Caliber? Quantity?
I heard there's mountains of 7.62X25 out there but they banned it from importation.
R.W.Dale
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I thought drunken monkeys were immune to layoffs?
I guess the banana and mad dog 20-20 budget at CAI is strained these days.
I guess the banana and mad dog 20-20 budget at CAI is strained these days.
ol' scratch
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Only 30-06 in AP. It and M855 Green tip were exempted from the ban. Not really AP, so I didn't include it but I did get a bunch of m855 from the North Store too. They were selling it in SAW magazines for $70 for 200 rounds right before the elections. That ban on surplus 7.62 x 39 ammo and the lack of domestic options is why I own a 5.56 AK.
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