Giving the "silent treatment" when pulled over
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I'm having difficulty understanding why remaining silent is considered disrespectful. As an LEO on a traffic stop/consentual you are not my friend. Your job is to investigate any laws I may have broken.
The questions you ask and the things you do are designed to protect yourself and I don't blame you for that...conversely, I don't expect you to blame me for doing the same.
Amen..
The questions you ask and the things you do are designed to protect yourself and I don't blame you for that...conversely, I don't expect you to blame me for doing the same.
Amen..
"Ummmm, that's not a study nor a link to any poll of public opinion. AFAIAC, after 9-11 there was quite a love affair between the public and public safety officers and if this thread is any indicator, that sentiment still exists, for I see only a few posters here who ran out of gas on their first post and are now repeating the same argument. "
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/01/19/trust_in_boston_police_declined_survey_says/
Trust in Boston police declined, survey says
By Suzanne Smalley, Globe Staff | January 19, 2005
A public safety survey commissioned by the Boston Police Department suggests more public distrust than in past surveys and an increase in citizen complaints about 911 service, excessive use of force, police visibility in minority neighborhoods, and officers' professionalism.
GLOBE GRAPHIC: Public attitudes toward Boston Police, 2003
The survey is the broadest and most recent look at how the public looks at the Police Department. It was conducted in late 2003 and has a margin of error of plus or minus one percentage point for citywide data and 3 to 5 percentage points for data broken down by Police Department districts.
Among the key findings:
The number of people with a favorable opinion of the Police Department declined from 77 percent in 2001 to 72 percent in 2003.
The number of residents who saw officers working in their neighborhood daily declined from 54 percent in 2001 to 47 percent in 2003.
While 48 percent of respondents overall said racial profiling is a problem for the department, 73 percent of African-Americans and 54 percent of Hispanics said so.
While 25 percent of all respondents contended that excessive use of force is a problem, significantly more African-Americans, 49 percent, did.
A third contended that officers are not being fair and respectful to all people. The gap in opinion between white and black respondents widened from 23 percentage points in 2001 to 31 percentage points in 2003.
The department paid $80,000 to Atlantic Research & Consulting, a Boston professional market research firm, to conduct the survey, which was based on phone interviews with 2,023 city residents who were asked more than 60 questions. The respondents were called in November and December 2003, before a surge in homicides and the deaths of several residents at the hands of police strained the department's community ties last year.Continued...
While the department has commissioned the surveys every two years since 1997 and has used them to hone its community policing, the surveys have never been widely circulated, and the Globe obtained the most recent report only after filing a Freedom of Information Act request. (The 2003 report includes some findings from the prior surveys.)
O'Toole said yesterday that she plans to find a different way to assess the community's response to police at the end of this year, when the survey would typically be conducted, because she does not believe the random sample of more than 2,000 Bostonians is sufficient for a city of 600,000.
"I'd like to find ways to broaden the feedback," she said.
O'Toole also said she cannot fully evaluate the report because she was appointed in February, after the survey was conducted. "I read it, and I said, 'Gee, well, I'm happy to see a lot of the efforts we have ongoing now address concerns raised in that survey,' " she said.
Mayor Thomas M. Menino said he is not concerned by the report because he doesn't trust polling data generally.
"At times there are questions about what are we doing . . . but I find that people still have confidence in the Boston Police Department because we're proactive with the community," he said in an interview yesterday.
Some community leaders praised the department for opening itself to criticism through such a survey.
"I clearly feel that there is a concerted effort in the Police Department not only to have better inroads with the community, but also improve their quality of life and safety," said Darnell Williams, president of the Urban League of Eastern Massachusetts.
He also said O'Toole should not be blamed for any findings. "I would be leery to saddle her with numbers prior to her arrival," he said.
Jorge Martinez, executive director for Project Right, a Roxbury-based community outreach nonprofit group, said that the department has had problems with 911 response time but that it is important to take into account that police academy classes are not big enough to offset retirements. O'Toole has said the department is down by 200 to 300 officers compared with several years ago.
"They're short staffed," said Martinez, who frequently works with the department on anticrime initiatives.
"You don't see people on foot because they don't have them."
Suzanne Smalley can be reached at [email protected].
© Copyright 2006 Globe Newspaper Company.
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http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/01/19/trust_in_boston_police_declined_survey_says/
Trust in Boston police declined, survey says
By Suzanne Smalley, Globe Staff | January 19, 2005
A public safety survey commissioned by the Boston Police Department suggests more public distrust than in past surveys and an increase in citizen complaints about 911 service, excessive use of force, police visibility in minority neighborhoods, and officers' professionalism.
GLOBE GRAPHIC: Public attitudes toward Boston Police, 2003
The survey is the broadest and most recent look at how the public looks at the Police Department. It was conducted in late 2003 and has a margin of error of plus or minus one percentage point for citywide data and 3 to 5 percentage points for data broken down by Police Department districts.
Among the key findings:
The number of people with a favorable opinion of the Police Department declined from 77 percent in 2001 to 72 percent in 2003.
The number of residents who saw officers working in their neighborhood daily declined from 54 percent in 2001 to 47 percent in 2003.
While 48 percent of respondents overall said racial profiling is a problem for the department, 73 percent of African-Americans and 54 percent of Hispanics said so.
While 25 percent of all respondents contended that excessive use of force is a problem, significantly more African-Americans, 49 percent, did.
A third contended that officers are not being fair and respectful to all people. The gap in opinion between white and black respondents widened from 23 percentage points in 2001 to 31 percentage points in 2003.
The department paid $80,000 to Atlantic Research & Consulting, a Boston professional market research firm, to conduct the survey, which was based on phone interviews with 2,023 city residents who were asked more than 60 questions. The respondents were called in November and December 2003, before a surge in homicides and the deaths of several residents at the hands of police strained the department's community ties last year.Continued...
While the department has commissioned the surveys every two years since 1997 and has used them to hone its community policing, the surveys have never been widely circulated, and the Globe obtained the most recent report only after filing a Freedom of Information Act request. (The 2003 report includes some findings from the prior surveys.)
O'Toole said yesterday that she plans to find a different way to assess the community's response to police at the end of this year, when the survey would typically be conducted, because she does not believe the random sample of more than 2,000 Bostonians is sufficient for a city of 600,000.
"I'd like to find ways to broaden the feedback," she said.
O'Toole also said she cannot fully evaluate the report because she was appointed in February, after the survey was conducted. "I read it, and I said, 'Gee, well, I'm happy to see a lot of the efforts we have ongoing now address concerns raised in that survey,' " she said.
Mayor Thomas M. Menino said he is not concerned by the report because he doesn't trust polling data generally.
"At times there are questions about what are we doing . . . but I find that people still have confidence in the Boston Police Department because we're proactive with the community," he said in an interview yesterday.
Some community leaders praised the department for opening itself to criticism through such a survey.
"I clearly feel that there is a concerted effort in the Police Department not only to have better inroads with the community, but also improve their quality of life and safety," said Darnell Williams, president of the Urban League of Eastern Massachusetts.
He also said O'Toole should not be blamed for any findings. "I would be leery to saddle her with numbers prior to her arrival," he said.
Jorge Martinez, executive director for Project Right, a Roxbury-based community outreach nonprofit group, said that the department has had problems with 911 response time but that it is important to take into account that police academy classes are not big enough to offset retirements. O'Toole has said the department is down by 200 to 300 officers compared with several years ago.
"They're short staffed," said Martinez, who frequently works with the department on anticrime initiatives.
"You don't see people on foot because they don't have them."
Suzanne Smalley can be reached at [email protected].
© Copyright 2006 Globe Newspaper Company.
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I think those numbers are OK. In a major metro area, you're probably never going to get much over 75%.
The link you provided also supports the police and discounts the poll..."
I'm glad you think 28 % of a city not trusting and having bad opinions of its police officers is a good thing
I think those numbers are OK. In a major metro area, you're probably never going to get much over 75%.
The link you provided also supports the police and discounts the poll..."
I'm glad you think 28 % of a city not trusting and having bad opinions of its police officers is a good thing
Why is 75% OK
Anytime you have large concentrations of minority populations, you will have many that don't trust the police. This doesn't indict the officer, it indicts the criminal justice system as a whole.
Cops have a job to do and if they have to go out and arrest street level drug peddlers and the criminal justice system see fits to incarcerate those peddlers for long terms, that's one segment who doesn't trust "the police."
A victim of an unsolved crime may not trust "the police."
Any minority that looks at the rate of incarceration for their particular race and finds it quite high may inherently not trust "the police."
Any illegal immigrant that's polled will probably not trust "the police."
Again, that's not the fault of the Average-Joe-Leo and when you consider all these factors, yes, I think 75% is a very good number considering what goes on.
Anytime you have large concentrations of minority populations, you will have many that don't trust the police. This doesn't indict the officer, it indicts the criminal justice system as a whole.
Cops have a job to do and if they have to go out and arrest street level drug peddlers and the criminal justice system see fits to incarcerate those peddlers for long terms, that's one segment who doesn't trust "the police."
A victim of an unsolved crime may not trust "the police."
Any minority that looks at the rate of incarceration for their particular race and finds it quite high may inherently not trust "the police."
Any illegal immigrant that's polled will probably not trust "the police."
Again, that's not the fault of the Average-Joe-Leo and when you consider all these factors, yes, I think 75% is a very good number considering what goes on.
I think we've passed the point where guns are treated rationally and the gamble that an officer might be gun friendly and want to make small talk isn't one we care to take. It'd be easier to just leave my cased up property out of the discussion.
Take for instance in illinois, we've had several people arrested for carrying an unloaded gun in a zipped up fanny pack. This read to be legal but it doesn't keep people from getting arrested and released when they're not charged. Its my understanding that a few years ago the part of Illinois law changed to relax transportation requirements (loaded mags in teh same case, or case within arm reach I don't remember which), and just last year carbondale dropped its tighter laws on handgun transportation. How much hassle will it be for me if I get an offier that hasn't kep up with the law? Will I get an officer who things the side saddle on my shotgun means the gun is loaded? Lying might be the easiest way to save yourself some hassle over something people can get really stupid about. Assuming you don't get caught.
Why is 75% OK
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Anytime you have large concentrations of minority populations, you will have many that don't trust the police. This doesn't indict the officer, it indicts the criminal justice system as a whole.
Cops have a job to do and if they have to go out and arrest street level drug peddlers and the criminal justice system see fits to incarcerate those peddlers for long terms, that's one segment who doesn't trust "the police."
A victim of an unsolved crime may not trust "the police."
Any minority that looks at the rate of incarceration for their particular race and finds it quite high may inherently not trust "the police."
Any illegal immigrant that's polled will probably not trust "the police."
Again, that's not the fault of the Average-Joe-Leo and when you consider all these factors, yes, I think 75% is a very good number considering what goes on.
all those groups you just mentioned probably makes up less then 5 % of the city's population,yet 28 % don't trust the police
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Anytime you have large concentrations of minority populations, you will have many that don't trust the police. This doesn't indict the officer, it indicts the criminal justice system as a whole.
Cops have a job to do and if they have to go out and arrest street level drug peddlers and the criminal justice system see fits to incarcerate those peddlers for long terms, that's one segment who doesn't trust "the police."
A victim of an unsolved crime may not trust "the police."
Any minority that looks at the rate of incarceration for their particular race and finds it quite high may inherently not trust "the police."
Any illegal immigrant that's polled will probably not trust "the police."
Again, that's not the fault of the Average-Joe-Leo and when you consider all these factors, yes, I think 75% is a very good number considering what goes on.
all those groups you just mentioned probably makes up less then 5 % of the city's population,yet 28 % don't trust the police
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Hey TheFederalistWeasel, that is some funny stuff! They should require anyone that's processed to watch that video. It would save a lot of future "a**-kickings."
Hey TheFederalistWeasel, that is some funny stuff! They should require anyone that's processed to watch that video. It would save a lot of future "a**-kickings."
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S&W910, I think census numbers for major cities would show you aren't quite correct with you "5%".
But this thread has wandered far enough away from its openers...
Art
But this thread has wandered far enough away from its openers...
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