Glock 17 or Glock 19x?
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Buzznrose
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I don’t currently own one, but the G45 is definitely interesting to me. Too many serious “gun guys” have surprised me when they tried it and after thinking they would not like it, ended up loving the gun.
G19X...pass...I prefer the Gen 5 features when available.
JR24
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The only Gen 5 feature it's missing is the breech face cutout.
Oh, I guess the flared Magwell too, but I can't say I find it makes a difference in reloads at all.
Buzznrose
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Differences I prefer on the G45 over the G19X:
- no lanyard ring
- no issues with Gen 5 mags
- slide serrations
- no mag well lip on back
- color..not a fan of the “baby poop brown (no offense meant to folks who like, or babies who poop that color! .)
JR24
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Differences I prefer on the G45 over the G19X:
- no lanyard ring
- no issues with Gen 5 mags
- slide serrations
- no mag well lip on back
- color..not a fan of the “baby poop brown (no offense meant to folks who like, or babies who poop that color! .)
Fair enough!
Lanyard ring is removable
I don't have any full size Gen 5 mags and a pile of 3 and 4
Don't need the serrations with the tacky finish, absolutely need them on the Gen 5, get slick as snot when wet.
I like the lip, have bigger hands and the lip is a nice little spot for my offhand pinky to rest on.
The color is, indeed, much the same as my daughter's diapers ... deposits. I don't mind, but I've never much cared about the asthetics of most of my guns, especially carry guns.
Buzznrose
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I will tell you, having many Gen 4 guns and a few Gen 5’a, I really prefer the finish on the Gen 4’s.Fair enough!
Lanyard ring is removable
I don't have any full size Gen 5 mags and a pile of 3 and 4
Don't need the serrations with the tacky finish, absolutely need them on the Gen 5, get slick as snot when wet.
I like the lip, have bigger hands and the lip is a nice little spot for my offhand pinky to rest on.
The color is, indeed, much the same as my daughter's diapers ... deposits. I don't mind, but I've never much cared about the asthetics of most of my guns, especially carry guns.
But I’m itching for a G45...and I really don’t know why, other than I’m intrigued by the stuff I’ve heard from folks who own them.
JR24
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I think I prefer the Gen 4 finish too, the Gen 5 IS tougher but it's so slick. The 19X is my favorite finish. Very tough and tacky even when wet/oiled. The color leaves a lot to be desired, but it's fine.
Elkins45
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This mirrors my thinking exactly. If I wanted a 9mm Glock with a 4” barrel I would just buy a G19 so I could use either 17 or 19 magazines.
I bought a Polymer80 “compact full size” frame kit to play with. It uses the 17/22/31 slide but has a 19/23/32 grip. Preliminary experimentation makes me think it’s what the 19x should have been.
needmorecowbell
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I like the 45 better than 19x, but I hate tan guns. I think I like the 45 better than the 17 too.
Pat Riot
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Heir Kommt Die Sonne,
I really like the G17 frame size. I have owned the G19X and the G17. I have a G45 and a Gen 3 G34.
Love the G45 and I loved the 19X, but I gave it to my Son-In-Law when I moved to California.
If you shoot your 17 well and the difference in barrel length between the 17 and 19X doesn’t matter, the only real difference is the finger grooves on the 17. Of course the 19X looks pretty cool and it also has some pretty nice night sights.
Like JR24 I have noticed that the sight radius in my G45 helps with acquiring the front sight a little easier.
In my opinion both the G17 Gen 4 and the 19X are both nice guns. Either is a good choice. It all depends on what you want. Your choice. No one else’s.
I really like the G17 frame size. I have owned the G19X and the G17. I have a G45 and a Gen 3 G34.
Love the G45 and I loved the 19X, but I gave it to my Son-In-Law when I moved to California.
If you shoot your 17 well and the difference in barrel length between the 17 and 19X doesn’t matter, the only real difference is the finger grooves on the 17. Of course the 19X looks pretty cool and it also has some pretty nice night sights.
Like JR24 I have noticed that the sight radius in my G45 helps with acquiring the front sight a little easier.
In my opinion both the G17 Gen 4 and the 19X are both nice guns. Either is a good choice. It all depends on what you want. Your choice. No one else’s.
JR24
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It's funny. I couldn't define why I liked my 19X better than the 17 for quite a while. The balance was better, sure, but it didn't explain why I shot it easier even when my 17 had my preferred Ameriglo CAP sights on it and the 19x had (still has) 3 dot Trijicons on it (I do not like 3 dot, prefer blacked out or minimal rear sights) and it wasn't until I was watching a YouTube Bill Wilson video with him talking about how and why he switched to preferring 4" guns over the classic Commander 4.25" and it clicked.
Once I realized why it was patently obvious why I was picking up the sights on my 19X faster. I know folks say that 1/4" doesn't matter, but sometimes it absolutely does. I've also found to my colorblind eyes the square front sight really works better than any type of circle, and orange, yellow or lime green are the best colors for me.
Been meaning to pop those CAP sights on the 19X now that I'm selling the 17, but it does shoot so well I'm hesitant to change out the sights that it came with, even if they aren't my favorite.
Sebastian the Ibis
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+1 to what FL-NC and other said. I would have cut down a g17 or 22 already, had I not put a full size sig320 slide on a subcompact frame. Generally, I want a longer sight radius and a shorter grip on a carry gun. Long grips print much worse if you are trying to be discreet. I don't get the 19x at all.
helitack32f1
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I have both a Gen 4 Glock 17 and the Glock 19X. It amazes me we still have people pulling out the whole "The G19X was built backward, it was answer to a question no one asked" line of dribble. Yup, it was such a bad idea that they came out with a black Gen 5 version of it and everyone that owns one of those two guns usually say it is by far their favorite. They even made a Glock 43 version of the same concept. It amuses me how many people insist they would rather have the extra length of barrel and sight radius of a Glock 17, like they have such talent that they would actually be able to see the difference in their accuracy results. Or, that somehow that extra .51 inches of sight radius is going to be the deciding factor at the average 7 yards distance people love to say altercations occur at.
Anyway, If I had to choose one or the other, the G19X would win every time. The Glock 19X balances better, has a better, more grippy and durable finish, has a better trigger and it is more comfortable to carry than the Glock 17 due to the shorter barrel/slide. I carry the 19X 15 or more hours a day while driving and getting in and out of a truck 30-50 times a day. At this point, the only reason I own a Glock 17 is that I wanted to have a version of the original Glock. I see no need to ever carry it.
As for just getting a Glock 19 and using Glock 17 mags etc, it isn't the same thing. As someone else mentioned earlier, the Glock hump is located much lower on the Glock 17 type grip. You cannot make a Glock 19 grip with an extended magazine feel like a Glock 17 grip without extensive plastic surgery.
In the end, the best answer to a question like this is to have both guns! Then you can compare both and carry the one you like and keep the other one because two guns is better than one. If I was to buy a Glock 17 right now though, it wouldn't be the Gen 4 I have. I would go with a Gen 5.
Anyway, If I had to choose one or the other, the G19X would win every time. The Glock 19X balances better, has a better, more grippy and durable finish, has a better trigger and it is more comfortable to carry than the Glock 17 due to the shorter barrel/slide. I carry the 19X 15 or more hours a day while driving and getting in and out of a truck 30-50 times a day. At this point, the only reason I own a Glock 17 is that I wanted to have a version of the original Glock. I see no need to ever carry it.
As for just getting a Glock 19 and using Glock 17 mags etc, it isn't the same thing. As someone else mentioned earlier, the Glock hump is located much lower on the Glock 17 type grip. You cannot make a Glock 19 grip with an extended magazine feel like a Glock 17 grip without extensive plastic surgery.
In the end, the best answer to a question like this is to have both guns! Then you can compare both and carry the one you like and keep the other one because two guns is better than one. If I was to buy a Glock 17 right now though, it wouldn't be the Gen 4 I have. I would go with a Gen 5.
I'm not wild about that new finish either. Since I got this G48, I find myself being a bit more ginger with it, as though I might scratch it. The first Glock that I had back in the late 80's had a tennifer finish and I just assumed that I could't hurt it. I used to shoot a G24 with a ported barrel in USPSA matches and I shot lead because I couldn't afford real bullets and the insides of the slide would get caked with lead from the ports. When I cleaned it, I used to put the slide in a vice and use a hammer and wood chisel to scrape the lead off of the inside of the slide and it never even left a mark.
Is this new finish supposed to be as tough or tougher?
Is this new finish supposed to be as tough or tougher?
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Heir Kommt Die Sonne
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Don't know, but I admit, I wish I could see a Glock that had a deep blued slide.
Tcruse
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Have a G17 Gen4 and a G19X. I get noticeably better accuracy with the 19X. Suspect a G17 Gen5 would also be more accurate than the G17 Gen4.
JR24
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Could be. I get very good accuracy out of Gen 5 19.
Slow fire I didn't find any difference between my 17 and 19X, but I'm certainly a limiting factor, being no bullseye shooter.
C-grunt
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The 19x and the Gen 5 have the new barrel that's supposed to be more accurate.
One thing people don't seem to remember about the 19x is it was built that way for the M17 contract. The contract was for a modular pistol that could be configured in a full size and compact model. Had the Glock won the pistol would have also come with a 19 size frame just like the Sig does/will.... I'm not sure if the Army has purchased any of the smaller versions yet.
I also find it funny that the Sig 229 has the same type of dimension yet people aren't constantly complaining about it.
One thing people don't seem to remember about the 19x is it was built that way for the M17 contract. The contract was for a modular pistol that could be configured in a full size and compact model. Had the Glock won the pistol would have also come with a 19 size frame just like the Sig does/will.... I'm not sure if the Army has purchased any of the smaller versions yet.
I also find it funny that the Sig 229 has the same type of dimension yet people aren't constantly complaining about it.
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Heir Kommt Die Sonne
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Sig people complain about quality control issues. Outside of that, Sig is loved by almost everyone who has one.
People will complain about Glock just because it's Glock, and because of the fact that already lots of people have requested a 17 slide on a 19 frame, but the 19x came along instead.
Hey I'm not complaining about the 19x, I find mullet guns to be quite comfortable. But I can see where people are coming from about the lack of a 17 slide and 19 frame.
FFGColorado
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I don't understand this..how is a shorter and hence less rounds, frame(G19) an advantage particularly since they are both the same width? Concealability?
G17 barrel 9s less than 1/2 inch longer than a G19 barrel..
The grip of the gun is hardest part to conceal in most people’s eyes, especially if you carry any other way besides appendix. People also still want to keep that longer sight radius and barrel length for slightly better accuracy and velocity. I agree though, a 1/2 inch is hardly worth the fuss. I have a Walther ppq 5” target that is essentially the size of a Glock 19 frame with a Glock 34 slide. That gun carries well and is an absolute tack driver. Glock just needs to get it out the way all ready and come out with a longslide compact frame gun already, I’m tired of seeing people asking for one lol
Zerodefect
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I just shot a 17, with a frame trimmed down to 19 size. It stunk. It might not seem significant, but it balanced nose heavy and was awkward to draw.
Short grips need short slides. If the nose of the slide of a 17 drags on the holster, some extra girth on the frame is handy. I'd recommend picking one or the other, and getting a better holster. Combining the two, just felt terrible.
I'll bet that the ''sight radius'' guys are running poor quality sights. 'Officer's frame'' pistols make more sense than long slide compacts.
Then again, I'm one of the weirdos that the Glock 48 was made for. Yeah, I might buy it only because it's 2mm thinner than my 23's, but won't char my thumb off like a 43x.
Short grips need short slides. If the nose of the slide of a 17 drags on the holster, some extra girth on the frame is handy. I'd recommend picking one or the other, and getting a better holster. Combining the two, just felt terrible.
I'll bet that the ''sight radius'' guys are running poor quality sights. 'Officer's frame'' pistols make more sense than long slide compacts.
Then again, I'm one of the weirdos that the Glock 48 was made for. Yeah, I might buy it only because it's 2mm thinner than my 23's, but won't char my thumb off like a 43x.
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For Post_41, there was a polished, probably blued, slide, special edition Glock 19gen3 years ago (~2014):
http://www.taloinc.com/glock-firearms/glock-premier-gold-model-19-23
http://www.taloinc.com/glock-firearms/glock-premier-gold-model-19-23
sparkyfender
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I have the GLOCK 19X.
Great gun, very nice looking for a GLOCK. Shoots very well, like that it comes with night sights. I use a leather holster for it, and the cool finish on my 19X is wearing quickly, it seems.
Honestly, if there was a Gen 5 17 in the same color and configuration as the 19X, I would have went with that.
Great gun, very nice looking for a GLOCK. Shoots very well, like that it comes with night sights. I use a leather holster for it, and the cool finish on my 19X is wearing quickly, it seems.
Honestly, if there was a Gen 5 17 in the same color and configuration as the 19X, I would have went with that.
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