Glock manual "CAUTIONS" against civilians carrying w/ one in chamber...

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GlockFan1954

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In my glock 26 manual it says it in bold red on page 15....

How does this affect the "chambered/not chambered" debate? Why do they say this if the Glocks are "designed" to be carried this way?
 
It's just to cover their legal behind.
The gun is no less inherently safe whether a currently uniformed (sworn) officer is carrying it with a round in the chamber versus me.
 
They don't want to assume liability for some dumb a$$ shooting himself because he didn't keep his booger hook off the bang stick.
 
How does this affect the "chambered/not chambered" debate? Why do they say this if the Glocks are "designed" to be carried this way?

No affect, always carry a round in the tube. Lawyers.
 
That's what I thought too as far as it just being a legal cover.

I am a civilian and don't (yet) have any formal training, but I've owned a glock for a year and have never accidentally pulled the trigger and have carried both chambered and unchambered.

I'm thinking of getting a more secure holster though my blackhawk covers the trigger but has no retention strap.
 
I fly an ultralight airplane...I love the big bold warning sticker staring at me that says ENGINE IS SUBJECT TO SEIZURE AT ANY TIME. I agree with the above that it's just a CYA statement.

PS But whatever you do, do NOT remove the tag from your mattress! ;)
 
My S&W manual doesn't, it even says if the gun's going to be carried you can top the magazine off after chambering a round for full 15+1 capacity. :)

It makes a point of saying to keep the gun holstered or otherwise secured and to keep the trigger guard clear of fingers or other objects.
 
Glockfan1954" said:
How does this affect the "chambered/not chambered" debate? Why do they say this if the Glocks are "designed" to be carried this way?

I work as a police officer, and I agree with the others that the statement in the Glock manual is purely to satisfy lawyers!

The gun is completely safe with a round in the chamber, provided that you don't pull the trigger. I've seen loaded/chambered Glocks dropped before, and I've seen them come out of holsters during resistances with suspects.

I've also carried a loaded/chambered Glock with me every single day for many years now, and have never had a problem. On or off-duty, I have it with me.



Glockfan1954 said:
I'm thinking of getting a more secure holster though my blackhawk covers the trigger but has no retention strap.

Are you talking about the Blackhawk Serpa holsters (the holsters with the index finger release "button")?

I currently have two of those holsters, one that I use when off-duty (for my Glock 37 duty weapon), and one for my wife's Glock 27 carry gun. These holsters are pretty darn secure from my point-of-view, and are sold as a Level II holster. I've gone through ground fighting classes with these, and have never lost the training gun while rolling on the floor. I initially had the same concern as you, and asked some other trained friends help me to evaluate the ability of the holster to endure attempts to take the weapon away. From my perspective the holster is nearly as secure as my Safariland Level II duty holster, and much faster to draw from.

Just make sure you adjust the retention screw to the point where you can hold the holster upside down, depress the release button without touching the weapon, and not have the weapon fall out. This is the same way that we adjust our duty holsters, and it helps to prevent losing a gun during a scrap with a bad guy on the ground. Mind you, don't overtighten this screw... you still want the weapon to draw easily, just not fall out when inverted with the button pressed. Some folks like it to endure shaking in the upside down position, and that is largely a matter of personal preference.

All in all, I've been satisfied with that holster, and have carried it nearly every time I've been off-duty for the past year or so.


Edited to add:

I also just remembered my very first test of this holster! I had barely taken it out of the package when I walked through my basement (loaded gun in holster on belt), and slipped on some crap that my wife had left on the linoleum-covered concrete floor. I went down darn hard on that holster, to the point that I had a two-line bruise on my hip from where the holster pressed into me. I was peeved, and sore, but the holster came out of it unscathed.
 
Just as an aside, are you carrying concealed or openly?

if you're carrying CONCEALED and remain, for the most part, aware of what's going on around you, I (and many others) don't see a big advantage in using a retention holster.

A) People don't know that you have a gun to "snatch" in the first place.

B) You have at least one article of clothing to keep it from skittering 30 feet across the floor if you were to be tackled without warning for whatever reason.

Also, it slows down and complicates the draw, no matter how intuitive the retention system is by design.
 
Unfortunately we have far too many people with the IQ of Plaxico Buress in the world.
 
lol I forgot about Plaxico... It doesn't really relate much to the topic at hand but if you haven't noticed the first step to playing any video game on the console is ALWAYS "insert the disk" so we have a lot of stupid people in this world. I didn't read all the red print because I have common sense and there is just too much of it in that manual lol.
 
That's why I'm buying an XD tomorrow. Carrying at 12 o'clock, I like the my boys hanging just the the way they are, thank-you
 
The grip safey is not "totally useless". Unlike a Glock, the XD has a fully cocked striker, and IMO a better trigger.
 
Kind of Blued said:
Just as an aside, are you carrying concealed or openly?

if you're carrying CONCEALED and remain, for the most part, aware of what's going on around you, I (and many others) don't see a big advantage in using a retention holster.

A) People don't know that you have a gun to "snatch" in the first place.

B) You have at least one article of clothing to keep it from skittering 30 feet across the floor if you were to be tackled without warning for whatever reason.

Also, it slows down and complicates the draw, no matter how intuitive the retention system is by design.

That's also a very good point, which I neglected to mention.

When wearing light/tighter fitting clothing I'll sometimes use an in-the-pants holster. This holster has virtually no retention, and wouldn't be suitable for a situation where you expected to be rolling around on the ground with a bad guy (I've had a gun fall out this way before when training with that holster).

But, for a walking-while-concealed weapon, the retention factor isn't really a problem. I can walk, or run, with that holster, it just wouldn't be the best one to use if someone is fighting you for your gun.

But, as Kind of Blued already stated, it is hard for a bad guy to strip you of a gun that he doesn't know you have.

Having said that, I still find my Blackhawk holster to be the single fastest holster I've ever used while carrying. Everyone's mileage may vary, but I was surprisingly impressed by this holster!


To bring this back to the original topic:

You are still safe carrying to Glock with one in the pipe!
 
How does this affect the "chambered/not chambered" debate? Why do they say this if the Glocks are "designed" to be carried this way?

It doesn't say much besides "we are trying to minimize our liabilities in any way possible". My G26 is always holding a popper in his belly. So is my G20 and G34 when I carry them. None have ever mysteriously fired on their own.
 
same reason why u-haul says if you rent a trailer not to exceed 45 mph. to help cut out frivolous lawsuits from misuse, lack of safety or procedure, or improper handling.
 
Not all blackhawks are the ones with retention some are just neoprene sleeves.

As to the XD debate: since they have a fully cocked striker, they seem to be more dangerous in my mind than Glocks, because the passive safety on the grip means when you grab it, it's more likely to go off than the partial tension on the glock. The safety really only prevents it when you're not gripping it - but in all liklihood your accident will happen on the draw.
 
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I read most of the G19 one... it just made me want to go shoot though so I had to put it down since it is too rainy to do that and I don't want to be sad...
 
They are even safer if you carry the gun totally empty, which makes about as much sense as one not in the chamber.

to many lawyers in this country, many are out of work and just sitting around wondering who they can sue and get something out of.
 
I always carry my g26 and g23 with one in the chamber, but then again ,I'm the only one in this room professional enough to carry a glock foty.
 
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