Got in a wreck today

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It is good you both came out OK. I cannot agree with your advice about speeding up to evade tailgaters. IMHO it is better to pull onto the shoulder to let them pass. Even though they are aggravating and my intial reaction is, well, not very kindly, one never knows if the other driver's wife is having a baby, his kid has arterial bleeding, etc. The possibility remains the other driver is a jerk but we cannot know that. So, what is lost by letting them pass?
 
I'm just wondering what the OP got a "court date" for? Did he get ticketed?

If so, just goes to show that our driving can lead to unexpected (but predictable) complexities involving firearms.

Drive safely and be careful out there!
 
OP: Glad you're OK!
Blkbrd: That's the way it should work. In most free states that's probably the way it would go down.

Just to point out the non-issue in many areas: Stopped last wk for speeding by WVSP: doing 80 in a 70. BTW; they won't usually stop you for less than 80 (but I didn't tell you that!) Knew I was going to have to stretch to my right to reach glove box for reg and ins, possibly exposing CCW. "Trooper; I have a CCW and it's behind my right hip" "OK."

Not another word said about it. Not required to disclose in WV.

Stay safe, drive carefully!
Bob
 
Glad you're OK.

As the wife of a former EMT I've heard a lot from DH about the un-wisdom of refusing to go to the hospital. They often end up seeing the accident victims who refused hours or even a couple days later when issues hidden by the adrenaline crop up. Better to be safe then to be walking around with a concussion or a fractured vertebrae (Nascar driver Sterling Marlin, now retired, once walked around for several days with a broken neck after a wreck).

An untreated injury like that makes you highly vulnerable to additional injury from something that would not normally cause any harm.

We hadn't thought about this yet, but it seems that having a small, lockable suitcase, a locking briefcase, or a locking laptop case in the car would be a good option for securing guns and other valuables in a situation where either you had to go to the hospital or the car had to be towed.

Concealing/camouflaging valuables is good (my first inclination would be to stuff things into the bottom of the diaper bag -- preferably under some dirty ones), but locking them up is better.
 
(Gun related)

I had a discussion this weekend with a local LEO about this kind of thing, and what to do if pulled over while CCWing. Interestingly, in FL at least, he says when he runs the plates it does NOT say "CCW" if you have a permit. FL does not require that you tell the officer, either, although most people do as a matter of courtesy along with keeping both hands in sight on the steering wheel, having ID handy so you don't move your hands out of sight, etc.
 
"Do NOT slow down to get someone off your ass. Speed up, even if ya have to do 100mph to get out of their way. If they are stupid enough to tailgate you, they are stupid enough to take out you and several others as well."

Horrible advice.

I've slowed to 10 or 20 below the speed limit before, depending on traffic conditions. I'd rather be hit at slow speeds than high speed, but that is just my personal preference.
 
First, glad you're both okay. Now here's a worthy thread, and no body noted it, herohog said:

It was a C9 Hi-Point (my glove box gun)...

Wow, how tough is Hi-Point?! Car gets totaled, Hi-Point survives. :D Yeah, yeah. I know. Trust me, in the next 48 to 72 hours, as the stiffness sets-in, you'll need a good laugh.

Sounds like you conducted yourself professionally, and so did the LEOs. Kudos!

Doc2005
 
in FL at least, he says when he runs the plates it does NOT say "CCW" if you have a permit

It does in Virginia. CCW database tied into Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles database. If the trooper runs your license or plates (and vehicle is registered to you) it pops up that you have a permit.

Oakville Shooter
 
No, the car wasn't totaled, the C9 was! No... its still just like it was before, new, been to the range once.... oh right! That make sit totaled! :p

I went to the Dr. today as my normal pain level was elevated (I have a LOT of back issues). They looked me over and said "you were in a car wreck! Duh!" "If it doesn't get better or it gets worse, comeback." Ooooooook. :eek:

Had a Looooooooooooooooooong talk with the insurance company and told the wife to find us a good lawyer as I can see this getting ugly.
 
Carrying you firearm in the pocket of your car is about the same as a lady carrying hers in her pocket book--especially if you have it locked. Just not much good if you need it quickly. Glad you did not get injured. We had a speeding nut to rear end(side) us as the men turned into a driveway. We had four handguns in the vehicle and a couple of rifles in a hard case behind the seat. Nothing was said and we could still drive ours. His was a mess. That "safety" bumper and heavy laden utility bed didn't give much. He slid about a 100'+ before hitting us. wc
 
My glovebox is unlocked (it doesn't even have a lock and is easily reachable by me (I'm 6'1" tall) so it is a good place for me. Besides, if the wife is riding shotgun, it's all hers as she can out shoot me! :p
 
If the car wast driveable, I would have just left it in the glovebox. But I woulda had the car towed home.

I had a CD player get "lost" in a wrecker service's yard once. It cost more than a hi point. I dont know what a hi point costs, but the red top optima battery that disappeared was about $180.
 
Captain Obvious reporting in.

Here is a great example of why both of you should have a CHP. If one of you cannot for any reason maintain control of your firearm, the other can take posession without having to be concerned about how to hang on to it without violating CCW or brandishing laws.

stay safe.

skidmark
 
Glad to hear everything was fine for you.
Don't know why an inanimate unrelated object that never left the vehicle that you remained in control of would be an issue.

I must comment on this bit of information though:

Do NOT slow down to get someone off your ass. Speed up, even if ya have to do 100mph to get out of their way. If they are stupid enough to tailgate you, they are stupid enough to take out you and several others as well.

You are far more likely to survive a rear end impact, especialy at slow or moderate speeds than to survive an impact going at much higher speeds.
The only person on the road you have control over is you. If someone else wishes to be stupid putting yourself and family in even greater danger to appease them is not the best course of action.

People that tailgate are fools. It takes a couple of seconds to stop a vehicle, and at least a fraction of a second to react to changes. If they wish to remove that option form themselves they are foolish.

In fact even a car length or two is not even enough space to avoid impact (though it can be enough to slow to a lower speed before impact) at freeway speeds. It takes several car lengths to stop.
Many drivers are on autopilot in thier own little world as well, meaning half of that time they would have to react will probably be spent just noticing what is going on and not actualy reacting and slowing down.
All you can do is choose whether you tailgate too. If you are not then you will be able to more gradualy stop should something happen ahead of you so the person tailgating you has more time to react as well.
It is tough in aggressive traffic when giving adequate space just means someone from another lane will merge in front of you constantly becuase they can fit thier vehicle in there.
 
Someone sent this to me via PM:
I'm not sure any/most of the folks on THR are aware that you are semi-permanently attached to a wheelchair. That bit of information, along with the issue of what to do with an off-body CCW piece in a wreck, should be presented to stir up minds.

It's bad enough trying to keep possession of your IWB/OWB carry piece when you are strapped onto a gurney for the ambulance ride, but when it's off-body and you are in a wheelchair it gets more complicated.

CCW in a chair is a PITA. Horizontal shoulder rig is about all that is practical for me and even then, small frame autos are best as I am a big guy and have big arms to boot and the constant rubbing on my inner arm is a pain (like I need more pain in my life). I also sweat... a lot. Steel in a sweaty arm pit is not so good an idea for the steel. Wearing anything over my normal t-shirt just increases my discomfort.
 
People that tailgate are fools. It takes a couple of seconds to stop a vehicle, and at least a fraction of a second to react to changes. If they wish to remove that option form themselves they are foolish.

I couldn't agree more and in Louisiana, where I come from, I would be free and clear 100% in this. In THIS state, it seems that I can, and VERY likely WILL, be held partially responsible for the accident just because I touched my brakes! This is what the State Trooper and my insurance agent both told me. I have found a lawyer, I just hope I can afford him. It looks like I will need him as the Tailgater is claiming I cut her off then slammed on my brakes Both are out and out lies :fire: ).
 
Wow! Thanks for sharing Re: carrying in a chair! Seems many people are too timid. After my rearend experience I have had 35 surgeries...mostly spine related. I'm lucky I made it.

Keeping it gun-related, what are the options for chair-carry? Do any companies make specific holsters? Thank-you for the willingness to discuss these facts.

Doc2005
 
A canted cross-draw belt holster works IF you have a wide enough chair (and a small enough gut, I don't have either). The arm rests get in the way of a vertical shoulder rig or a IWB or OWB. All I have found that is reasonably useful is a horizontal shoulder rig. I HAVE open carried this way with my AMT AutoMag III in 9mm WinMag (9x29) just for fun. I did that at the Million Mom dealy across from the Richmond Gun show a while back. It made the news. :rolleyes:
 
herohog- Not sure why I did not catch this earlier:

If my wife had her purse I would have put it in there and carried it (she has no permit herself yet).

Virginia's CCW does not cover the family. It is an individual permit. A concealed handgun in the vehicle should be accessible only to the permit holder. If you are driving with gun in the glove box with no lock and your wife is with you, she could be charged with possession of a concealed weapon without a permit if they really wanted to push the issue. Just food for thought.

Oakville Shooter
 
Six years ago I was struck from behind then in the drivers door by a semi. My pickup rolled - a few times. I refused to take an ambulance to the hospital partly to retain posession of my legal pistol. This came back to bite me later during a suit for medical bills and damages. The amount of adrenaline in your body after a major wreck will hide injuries, but you will know the next day.
 
You missed my point about the gun in the glove compartment with no lock. With the gun right in front of her, she is closer to possessing it than you are, if she is the passenger. with no permit, she could be found to be in possession of a concealed weapon without a permit. Especially if you got out of the vehicle and she stayed in.

The permit only covers the person that it is issued to.

Oakville Shooter
 
This thread brought to my attention that I had never considered what I would do with the glove box gun if I were in an accident. However, now that I think about it, I think I will start keeping an empty cloth toolbag for Harbor Freight under my seat for just such an occurence. They fold flat, are convenient, cheap, and best of all, one more won't stand out from the rest of the toolbags in my Jeep :D
 
86thecat you are correct. On the adrenalin and shock causing you to not realize how badly hurt you are.

Depending on the impact your gun may end up flying around the car even if it is in the glove box. The best option is not to get hit while packing. Unfortunately, that is not always in our control. The wheelchair adds another dimension that increases the complexability

- Sig
 
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