Grocery chain gone anti-gun...

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Double Naught Spy said:
If you are careless enough to have your CCW spotted, then you are careless enough to suffer the consequences.

Since the manager was not arguing that it was illegal to carry in his store, I am not sure how it was that you all were trying to educate him on the law. However, you might consider educating your insulted member on proper methods of concealed carry and keeping the gun actually concealed.
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Unlike Texas, Ohio is an open carry state. Many licensee's spend zero time worrying about printing or exposing their gun. So whether or not the original incident had the gun exposed is irrelevant to the fact that Kroger Corporate Policy is now to ban all firearms in their stores including concealed carry licensees.

I usually carry in an IWB holster with the grip plainly exposed above my belt. I have carried that way in grocery stores around Columbus literally hundreds of times without incident. That includes Walmart, Meijier, Giant Eagle, and Krogers.

Your opinion condemning another gun owner who was merely exercising his constitutional rights under both state and federal law is somewhat similar to all the shotgun owners who had no problem with laws banning the "evil black rifles". If gun owners can't stick together, the anti's will surely defeat us separately.
 
Guys, you're reading more into it than is written. It never SAYS he was concealing, just that he has his permit. It's been established that OC is perfectly legal in that state.
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Actually, "permit" is written nowhere in the OP.

Unlike Texas, Ohio is an open carry state. Many licensee's spend zero time worrying about printing or exposing their gun. So whether or not the original incident had the gun exposed is irrelevant to the fact that Kroger Corporate Policy is now to ban all firearms in their stores including concealed carry licensees.
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The patron in the OP made the CCW point, not me.

Your opinion condemning another gun owner who was merely exercising his constitutional rights under both state and federal law is somewhat similar to all the shotgun owners who had no problem with laws banning the "evil black rifles". If gun owners can't stick together, the anti's will surely defeat us separately.
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What I find amusing about this is that the patron in the OP doesn't appear to be upset about the policy as much as he is upset that he and his wife were treated "like common thugs, criminals, or what you want to call it." This tells me that the issue for him isn't legal, but ego-based. After having been asked to leave more than one business over the years, I have to laugh at this. This whole notion of people's ego and reputation being worn on the shirt sleeve such that any sort of negative confrontation is such an affront that they feel like they are being treated not like specials thugs, but common thugs or criminals a bit silly.

Being asked to leave a store isn't the same as being treated like a thug or a criminal. Thugs and criminals would have had the police called on them and subsequently detained or arrested (if they were in fact criminals).

Why the guy attempted to go back into the store after having been asked to leave is beyond me. Maybe he didn't get the message when he was first confronted? He explained it like he did, however. He stated very clearly that he was asked to leave the store. He didn't say that the manager asked that the gun be removed from the store or that the manager invited him back after removing the gun from the store. Generally when people are asked to leave without further instruction, they aren't going to be welcomed back. Go figure.
 
gee, hope i can continue to carry inside kroger's. i'd hate to get robbed in the dairy section while unarmed.
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Very funny.

The issue is getting to and from the store, it does absolutely no good to have a CWP, weapon, and training if you must disarm yourself before you leave your car and hike to the store. Even worse if you walk, bike, or take other means of transportation to the store.
 
The issue is getting to and from the store, it does absolutely no good to have a CWP, weapon, and training if you must disarm yourself before you leave your car and hike to the store.
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This becomes even more troublesome when you look at the NCIC stats one robberies. Grocery parking lots, especially after dark, are notoriously active feeding grounds for robbers. Patrons are usually coming out either carrying groceries or pushing a cart. They are often more pre-occupied with their purchases or the money they spent than their immediate environs, and a great many of them still carry cash. Even the ones without cash have credit cards, wallets, checkbooks, etc.

Robbers also have the added advantage of looking at a shopping cart and victim's car as a quick gauge of the wealth of potential targets.

KR
 
gee, hope i can continue to carry inside kroger's. i'd hate to get robbed in the dairy section while unarmed.
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Yeah,violent incidents NEVER happen in grocery stores,do they? Gee I have NEVER heard of a holdup in a grocery store.

WHAT!!?? There are violent incidents in grocery stores and their parking lots.... AND there are in fact hold ups??!!?!?!


It doesn't matter what is likely to happen, it matters what CAN happen. Having gun owners like you is a good way to lose the right to carry.
 
Full Metal Jacket said:
gee, hope i can continue to carry inside kroger's. i'd hate to get robbed in the dairy section while unarmed.
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So, you only approve of CC in need-based situations?
And you know when those situations will come up and still walk into them?
 
Obviously some are not reading the threads at the original link I posted . This is now their corporate policy in SW Ohio. However as they are national they may well go national with the policy which is why we need to contact them to get them to change their minds on the issue.


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gopguy, it seems at this point it is best to speak with your pocketbook.

Try to organize a boycott of that particular store with some folks in the area. The only language corporate will care about,is money. If they aren't feeling the effects of restricting RKBA proponents other than angry internet letters,nothing will be done.
 
WHAT PART OF OREGON ARE YOU IN SO I CAN MOVE THERE QUICKLY? Yes Fred Meyer is a Kroger corp and the ones by me sell paintball/ bb gun stuff and its all behind lock box but no firearms stuff at all.
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I did a double take at the Newberg Fred Meyer when I saw them. I never thought of FM as the least bit pro-gun but they had handguns and long guns back in the sporting goods section. Seems like it may have happened when GI Joes changed it's name to "Joes" then went out of business (folks did not like the new management losing the GI part of the name). Smart move on Fred Meyer's part IMO. Their prices weren't great but I may go buy a gun from them as an "atta boy".
Some stores like the local Fred Meyer see the increased awareness and acceptance of firearms as an opportunity, and some of them like your Krogers are sharp as a sack of hair and slit their own throat by disarming the wrong people. Do that here and you are turning away a big percentage of the residents.
 
I love how the Ohio Kroger stores have banned CCW on their premises, presumably because they believe its too dangerous to allow it ... yet they have no problem sending UNARMED employees to confront the super dangerous ARMED person in their store. :rolleyes:
 
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^when did that ever happen?
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Assuming that was in response to my post, did you read the original post? :scrutiny:

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I was shopping Sunday April 18 with my wife and daughter at Krogers in Wilmington. I have my CCW and always pay attention to the door and around the door and i never have seen a no gun sign. We were walking down the aisle when I noticed two employees at both ends and one was a manger. I pointed them out to my wife. She always says I'm to paranoid about being followed. They followed us for about another two aisles. When we are in the middle of one aisle with no one else in the aisle with us. The mangers approaches me and ask if that was a gun that i was carrying. I told him it was and said I was not allowed to carry in Krogers.
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Yeah,violent incidents NEVER happen in grocery stores,do they? Gee I have NEVER heard of a holdup in a grocery store.

WHAT!!?? There are violent incidents in grocery stores and their parking lots.... AND there are in fact hold ups??!!?!?!


It doesn't matter what is likely to happen, it matters what CAN happen. Having gun owners like you is a good way to lose the right to carry.
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'orly?

ever heard of "no shoes, no shirt, no service?"

any company or business reserves the right to deny service at their discretion. obviously, i don't like it, but i'm not going to whine about it.

rather, i'm going to take my business elsewhere.

makes sense, doesn't it? ;)
 
I was shopping Sunday April 18 with my wife and daughter at Krogers in Wilmington. I have my CCW and always pay attention to the door and around the door and i never have seen a no gun sign. We were walking down the aisle when I noticed two employees at both ends and one was a manger. I pointed them out to my wife. She always says I'm to paranoid about being followed. They followed us for about another two aisles. When we are in the middle of one aisle with no one else in the aisle with us. The mangers approaches me and ask if that was a gun that i was carrying. I told him it was and said I was not allowed to carry in Krogers.
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so you referred to yourself as a "dangerous man with a gun?" ok. ;)

how would you have handled the situation. store manager's just doing his job.
 
I think you're missing my point.

If its so doggone dangerous for law abiding citizens to carry guns into your stores how is it not incredibly dangerous for your unarmed employees to confront these "dangerous" people?

As for how I'd have handled it I'd have left and not returned. Then I'd have mailed my cut up Kroger Club Card to corporate with a note saying they'll never see a dime from me again.
 
You're trying to reason with a brick wall Zundfolge.

For the record FMJ, my response to your idiotic comment had nothing to do with grocery store policy on patrons with weapons.

It had to do with the attitude that came across from that comment. How could a bad thing ever happen in a grocery store?It's..a..grocery store. Bad things happen everywhere, welcome to planet Earth.
 
FM carries a full gun counter in Alaska
So does Walmart

As for the corporate ninnies, please post this on activism
and spread it to local RKBA, so corporate can get drowned with the cards, which I saw somewhere

The if a person has a CCW then they have passed a background check, completed firearms training and passed a test....

Next question, were they posted?
 
If Kroger is going to anti-gun on a national basis, the corporate suits will have to pull the guns out of at least some of the stores that they currently own, including a number of Fred Meyer operations in the Pacific Northwest. Here's another link to a discussion on the Northwest Forum about the sale of guns and ammo at some of the area Freddy's stores:

http://www.northwestfirearms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31019&highlight=fred+meyer

I'd still like to know how the guy was outed in the first place.
 
First let me start by saying: THIS IS MY 1,000TH POST! I SPEND WAY TOO MUCH OF MY LIFE ON HERE :)

Anyway, it is sad to see that the Kroger company is planning to take an anti-gun stance these days. We don't have Krogers here in Colorado, but we do have "King Soopers", which is the Kroger-owned chain out here (they even sell the Kroger brand products).

Fortunately Colorado law doesn't have the same stupid restrictions of the Ohio concealed carry law. I grew up in Ohio, and spent more than twenty four years in that state (through college). I remember all of the legal battles that took place before concealed carry was even allowed, and I remember how watered-down the law was once it went into effect (ironically enough, I moved to Colorado almost exactly when the law went into effect in Ohio).

Ohio has a great shooting culture, some great gun stores, and a lot of folks who love to talk guns. Unfortunately the laws don't seem to reflect this culture, and it makes it tough on people who are passionate about shooting (don't get me wrong, Ohio is FAR from being one of the BAD gun states... they simply aren't one of the BEST gun states these days).
 
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