Yeah, definitely try to find out who dropped the dime; FOIA might get that for you. If it was a BS line fishing for info (meth lab) there will be no name. If it was one of your neighbors, I'd have nothing to do with them from this point forward. Firearms are never a topic of discussion with my neighbors -- never.
I got a visit from local police department
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Good morning. Well i have narrowed down the smell part. But its been about 3 weeks since i did any.
Casting bullets. But casting bullets does not smell. ITs when you flux the metal. i usually use a small pea sized amount of wax. Of course it smokes a bit and a little flame pops in the air sometimes. But after a minute it stops. I stir up the lead really good then skim off the top. Then do it again. just to make sure that i wont get anything in my bullets.
So thats the mystery smell. I do reload in the back a lot. Heck this is california. Its usually sunny and nice outside.
Well i was talking to my Father this morning he was the one who caught it. He asked when are you going to cast some bullets again. I said im not too sure i have to check to see how much i have. WHY. Then he said well when you do, do it over here so you dont bother your neighbors. Then it hit me. FLUXING. but i havent done it in a while three weeks maybe. Any how now i started to think about it. If i take my casting pot to my fathers and just spend a day of casting. i could probably make around 5000 or so bullets. This would keep me busy for a long time. Especially with winter coming. So any how there is the mystery. Im just still really upset on the whole incident. if i would have thought of it yesterday. Still im not too sure what the oficere would have said. ITs still legal to cast your own bullets.
Casting bullets. But casting bullets does not smell. ITs when you flux the metal. i usually use a small pea sized amount of wax. Of course it smokes a bit and a little flame pops in the air sometimes. But after a minute it stops. I stir up the lead really good then skim off the top. Then do it again. just to make sure that i wont get anything in my bullets.
So thats the mystery smell. I do reload in the back a lot. Heck this is california. Its usually sunny and nice outside.
Well i was talking to my Father this morning he was the one who caught it. He asked when are you going to cast some bullets again. I said im not too sure i have to check to see how much i have. WHY. Then he said well when you do, do it over here so you dont bother your neighbors. Then it hit me. FLUXING. but i havent done it in a while three weeks maybe. Any how now i started to think about it. If i take my casting pot to my fathers and just spend a day of casting. i could probably make around 5000 or so bullets. This would keep me busy for a long time. Especially with winter coming. So any how there is the mystery. Im just still really upset on the whole incident. if i would have thought of it yesterday. Still im not too sure what the oficere would have said. ITs still legal to cast your own bullets.
I am not a lawyer.
I am not an expert on Cali laws.
I strongly suggest that you talk to a lawyer before you tell any goverment agency that you cast lead outside and neighbors have complained of the smell.
Is almost certainly true.
But the point that would concern me is that Californa has lots of special laws about exposure to toxic substances such as lead. You might be breaking the law by "exposing" your neighbors to lead.*
I do not know.
Think about all the changes that have affected some ranges, forced others to close and the introduction of expensive leadfree ammo.
As I said before I do not know, but I would suggest checking it out with an attorney or someone else who is up to date in California Enviromental Law if you have had neighbor complaints.
NukemJim
*Note: I doubt very much that you or anyone else is getting exposed to too much lead as long as you follow common safety practices.
I am not an expert on Cali laws.
I strongly suggest that you talk to a lawyer before you tell any goverment agency that you cast lead outside and neighbors have complained of the smell.
Is almost certainly true.
But the point that would concern me is that Californa has lots of special laws about exposure to toxic substances such as lead. You might be breaking the law by "exposing" your neighbors to lead.*
I do not know.
Think about all the changes that have affected some ranges, forced others to close and the introduction of expensive leadfree ammo.
As I said before I do not know, but I would suggest checking it out with an attorney or someone else who is up to date in California Enviromental Law if you have had neighbor complaints.
NukemJim
*Note: I doubt very much that you or anyone else is getting exposed to too much lead as long as you follow common safety practices.
CleverNickname
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Kim, you're assuming that there was in fact a complaint made by his neighbor and the cop didn't make up that claim out of whole cloth.
TallPine
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I'd say that is a pretty good rule of thumb
ServiceSoon
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Because things like that never happen
and to speak of them would be unAmerican.
Deanimator
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Are you claiming that such a thing has never happened?
Ever heard of Kathryn Johnston? http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/27/atlanta.shooting/index.html
joab
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Yep
Gunnerpalace
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Filling FOIA=Bad idea around here (MI) no one calls the police unless is is an extreme emergency why? because the cops mention to the person who called on them, how would you feel if you called in a domestic and the police mentioned your name as the complaintent, it is the same thing as the OP's situation. As for letting cops in, I would it's my home and unless there are some different circumstances (I'm eating or it's 3 am) I would probably let them in. I'm just saying.
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I would have to disagree with you on this one joab. It comes short of accusing the officer, by saying that one doesn't need to assume the officer is telling the truth. It isn't saying that the officer is lying per se, but is suggesting that it is a possibility. That doesn't sound like bashing as much as understanding that there are possibilities. Police have been known to lie, and are actually encouraged to do so if they think it will aid an investigation (paraphrasing here, but I think the point is clear enough). The fact is that officers can and do make up stories in order to "steer" subjects. Recognizing that fact isn't bashing, it's just understanding the possibility.
siglite
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I realize this is only slightly on topic with the thread and OP, but there's a mentality I've seen a couple of posters advocating that I have minor issue with.
I think, that as a general philosophy, this is a mistake. My position on this is based on the assumption that you are a law abiding, productive member of your community. I'm not advocating waving guns in your neighbors' faces, however, I think it's important to represent the shooting community in a positive light. If the subject of guns comes up with a neighbor, I'll discuss all day long with them. I feel it is my duty to myself, and to all of YOU to represent firearms owners in as positive a light as possible. Allowing the anti-gun lobby, media, and to some extent government to drive you and your exercise of a fundamental right underground like some subversive criminal activity is defeatist and wrong.
I'm not a religious guy at all. But there's wisdom in many holy texts. One such bit of wisdom can be found in Matthew 5:15.
I think, that as a general philosophy, this is a mistake. My position on this is based on the assumption that you are a law abiding, productive member of your community. I'm not advocating waving guns in your neighbors' faces, however, I think it's important to represent the shooting community in a positive light. If the subject of guns comes up with a neighbor, I'll discuss all day long with them. I feel it is my duty to myself, and to all of YOU to represent firearms owners in as positive a light as possible. Allowing the anti-gun lobby, media, and to some extent government to drive you and your exercise of a fundamental right underground like some subversive criminal activity is defeatist and wrong.
I'm not a religious guy at all. But there's wisdom in many holy texts. One such bit of wisdom can be found in Matthew 5:15.
joab
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And I would have to disagree with you, along with wondering why you chose to single me out
The comment was meant to suggest that the officer should be assumed to be lying
The fact that it has generated such bashing comments as
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Pretty much backs up my opinion on that
The only comment I have to add is an apology to .38Special
I thought the board was better than this, he saw the truth
Deanimator
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You implied that police would not lie to gain entrance.
I provided you with a DOCUMENTED instance where they not only did, but committed a murder, then planted evidence to cover up those acts.
Any part of that not true?
I didn't think so.
Deanimator
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Better than what? Documented fact?
Are you claiming that the Kathryn Johnston incident DIDN'T happen?
Or are you saying that it should NEVER be mentioned?
If someone claims that police don't lie to gain entrance unlawfully, they shouldn't complain when somebody provides proof that that claim is demonstrably false.
CleverNickname
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No it wasn't. I was just saying it was a possibility. Cops lie all the time, just like everyone else. If you don't understand that, then you're naive.
But now I suppose since I consider cops to be no better or no worse than anyone else, you'll probably consider this "cop bashing".
I'd be most ticked about what kind of idiot neighbor would make up a story like that. Smell from casting? Gimmie a break. How bad could it be?
The cop was just doing his job, and has come and gone. That part is done. But what would eat away at me is that I continue to live near someone who would pull this cr*p on me. THAT is more permanent.
The cop was just doing his job, and has come and gone. That part is done. But what would eat away at me is that I continue to live near someone who would pull this cr*p on me. THAT is more permanent.
BridgeWalker
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As a practical matter, I won't argue with your scar.
But as a matter of law, I'm pretty sure that an invitation/consent can be revoked at any time. The problem is that one gets no do-overs. If he finds what he (reasonably) thinks is probably cause, then you're pretty much screwed, both wrt to what he has found and wrt to then rescinding the invite.
I would allow an leo into my house if it seemed reasonable considering all the variables. I am pretty hard-pressed to think of a situation where I would do that. Only time I was in that situation was this summer. It came down to negotiation. Turns out she didn't need to come into my case, she just needed enough information that she'd be able to dismiss the matter without coming into my house. I found out what information she needed and gave it to her.
It was a little uncomfortable having an extended conversation on my front porch with a government agent, but it prevented both her coming into my house and it prevened her going and getting a warrant and subsequently being both in my house and pissed off.
Thing is, it's not that hard to get a warrant. It is supposed to be, but it generally isn't. I think in this situation, I probably would have brought the powder out onto the porch to the officer. And the primers. And anything else he expressed an interest in seeing that I knew was 100% legal and that wasn't bolted down.
I do think it is a little more reasonable to give a cop more leeway when there are witnesses, as here. I would insist that eveyone in the house witness what was happening.
oh, and btw, ianal
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If you have nothing to hide, then there souldn't be a problem letting them in.
They are people too, even though it seems the other way, and if you know the LEO isn't there to make a stink, and he's just there to do his job, then it will most likely be okay.
Still, when they were there to investigate my friends car that got stolen fro our driveway, he tried to come in.
My father quickly shouted from the other room, "No, no, the porch is a nice place to fill out your paperwork, I don't think inside is appropriate."
He managed to get the message.
You don't have to be rude. Just assertive.
They are people too, even though it seems the other way, and if you know the LEO isn't there to make a stink, and he's just there to do his job, then it will most likely be okay.
Still, when they were there to investigate my friends car that got stolen fro our driveway, he tried to come in.
My father quickly shouted from the other room, "No, no, the porch is a nice place to fill out your paperwork, I don't think inside is appropriate."
He managed to get the message.
You don't have to be rude. Just assertive.
joab
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No but since you immediately make that assumption and are obviously trying to stir things up I will consider you irrelevant join another pile on somewhere else
More asinine assumption w
Wanna show where I said that cops were incapable of lying
If you think that a cop has taken the time to make up an easily disputed story story to gain entry to investigate a person reloading on such a small scale then you are much more than naive
Especially when the cop never even asked to come inside
This ridiculousness has gotten so old
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You're looking at it from a POV that I did not have in mind. Having had guns stolen from my home in what was clearly an "inside" job was very effective in changing my mind about being open on the subject with neighbors and coworkers.
Funder said:
Couple things: Everybody has something to hide, and you cannot be a rational, active human without breaking the law. Not even lawyers know every little thing that is illegal, and cops get it wrong all the time too. Lastly, what is illegal and what is grounds for arrest are not always the same thing.
By all means invite the cop in, but don't come crying to me when he thinks your shotgun is a little too short or your medicine cabinet a little too full.
BridgeWalker
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+1 on Supernaut's comments.
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