I thought IDPA was about..

[mavracer]

As for the IWB draw, presuming good gear, practice, etc, at most it adds 1/4 second to the draw, but usually less, if any at all.

I know, at least for me, it's more the PITA of reholstering IWB than any perceived speed gain that has me using OWB for IDPA.

 

[David E]

A properly selected IWB holster allows easy and PITA-free one hand reholstering.

 

[mavracer]

A properly selected IWB holster allows easy and PITA-free one hand reholstering.

It's not the holster, it's the dunlop

 

[David E]

I have a 400# friend that runs a KyTac IWB with nary a complaint.

 

[jmorris]

How much does it slow you down to go from 125pf to 165pf?

The mag capacity has more to do with it than the PF. The last sanctioned match I shot CDP in, I place 1st overall with 3 DMs there and a bunch of other folks shooting "minor".

 

[mavracer]

The mag capacity has more to do with it than the PF.

Mag capacity has nothing to do with power factor. There's nothing that says you can't shoot ammo that makes 200pf.
As David said I said nothing about changing divisions.

I have a 400# friend that runs a KyTac IWB with nary a complaint.

I'll keep that in mind, my lifestyle has me dissarming a lot, so somedays I seem to spend as much time putting the thing on as I do wearing it. I find Bianchi Pro 100 very easy to slip on and off, and it doesn't bother my draw as my dunlop does a good job of positioning the grip I also use OWB paddles quite a bit.

 

[ScottS]

The mag capacity has more to do with it than the PF. The last sanctioned match I shot CDP in, I place 1st overall with 3 DMs there and a bunch of other folks shooting "minor".

I'm confused. The terms "CDP" and "Minor" are from two different sports.

 

[jmorris]

Mag capacity has nothing to do with power factor.

No it doesn't but the capacity allowed in CDP makes more of a difference in scores than the fact that your shooting 165pf.

I'm confused. The terms "CDP" and "Minor" are from two different sports.

No need to be confused, minor is 125pf.

 

[mavracer]

it doesn't but the capacity allowed in CDP makes more of a difference in scores than the fact that your shooting 165pf.

Capacity for CDP is 8 weather you use 165pf or 200pf and there's nothing to say you can't shoot SSP or ESP with 165pf.

 

[David E]

the capacity allowed in CDP makes more of a difference in scores than the fact that your shooting 165pf.

Capacity is irrelevant for the Classifier, which was initially referred to, comparing the SSP "Master" time to the faster time required for CDP "Master."

As far as matches go, sometimes capacity matters, sometimes not. When I ran two State IDPA matches, capacity made very little difference due to my stellar stage designs.

 

[NoHackrLtd]

Le Ooopsss....

Hey Cin! What match was that?

The USPSA Summer Blast at Isaac Walton in Dallastown about two years ago. With no less than Scott Warren next in line behind me at the chrono watching the whole sorrid thing....

At least I was only eight miles from the house and could shoot the rest of the match just for fun.....

 

[ScottS]

No it doesn't but the capacity allowed in CDP makes more of a difference in scores than the fact that your shooting 165pf. No need to be confused, minor is 125pf.

But there's no "minor" in IDPA, and there's no CDP in USPSA.

Are you saying you were shooting CDP and out-shot guys in ESP or SSP?

 

[David E]

But there's no "minor" in IDPA,

Yes, there is. Divisions require certain power factors, either. "major" or "minor." If your power factor is 124, then you're only shooting for fun. There just isn't major/minor scoring.

and there's no CDP in USPSA

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No, but there IS 1911 Single Stack, which is close.

Are you saying you were shooting CDP and out-shot guys in ESP or SSP?

I don't know if he is, but I've done it before, as have others.

 

[ScottS]

Yes, there is. Divisions require certain power factors, either. "major" or "minor." If your power factor is 124, then you're only shooting for fun. There just isn't major/minor scoring.

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No, but there IS 1911 Single Stack, which is close.



I don't know if he is, but I've done it before, as have others.

My confusion stems frame fact the term "minor" appears no where in the IDPA rule book.

If you don't make Power Floor in IDPA, at least in a sanctioned match, you're not "shooting for fun," you're DQ, and you're bagging your gun and you're done. Ask the guy(s) at S&W.

Although it's not unusual for CDP guys to finish above ESP/SSP, saying " I was a match shooting CDP and beat guys shooting 'minor'" is like saying "I was playing tennis and beat a guy with a 5 handicap."

 

[jmorris]

My confusion stems frame fact the term "minor" appears no where in the IDPA rule book.

If you don't make Power Floor in IDPA, at least in a sanctioned match, you're not "shooting for fun," you're DQ, and you're bagging your gun and you're done. Ask the guy(s) at S&W.

Although it's not unusual for CDP guys to finish above ESP/SSP, saying " I was a match shooting CDP and beat guys shooting 'minor'" is like saying "I was playing tennis and beat a guy with a 5 handicap."

Most anyone that is an action pistol shooter would understand what one means by "minor".
I am no tennis player so I don't get your analogy but in simple english, if the stages are magazine neutral (don't give any advantage to either 8 or 10 round mags) there is little difference between 165 and 125 PF.

 

[jmorris]

Capacity for CDP is 8 weather you use 165pf or 200pf and there's nothing to say you can't shoot SSP or ESP with 165pf.

Correct, there is no limit to the PF. You could shoot 600PF if you want, just be a lot more difference in how fast you could do it.

 

[David E]

My confusion stems frame fact the term "minor" appears no where in the IDPA rule book.

You're not confused, you're picking nits. IDPA patterned their original two power factors off USPSA's major and minor power floors.

The point made earlier was that a Master class shooter would still shoot master level even if he used a harder kicking load or went from an OWB to an IWB. I don't know why that was confusing to anyone.